Trump Hints Another January 6 Could Happen If He Loses the Election

The former president made multiple chilling warnings during an interview with Time magazine.

Donald Trump hasn’t quite let go of the possibility of utilizing mob violence if he loses the next election.

In a sprawling interview for https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/, Trump hinted that leveraging political violence to achieve his end goals was still on the table.

“If we don’t win, you know, it depends,” he told Time. “It always depends on the fairness of the election.”

And from Trump’s perspective, that’s winning rhetoric. According to him, his incendiary comments supporting a mob mentality, his early warnings of forthcoming abuses of power, and his threats to be a dictator on “day one” are only inching him closer to the White House. “I think a lot of people like it,” Trump told Time.

xmunk,

If the FEC had any fucking teeth they’d jail and disqualify him for that statement alone.

Monument,

They have teeth. But half of the people who decide whether or not they pursue charges against someone are republican appointees.

So, you know… teeth, but corrupted leadership.

homesweethomeMrL,

They’re the same picture

MediumGray,
@MediumGray@lemmy.ca avatar

Yes and no. I can’t speak to the particulars of this situation but differences in means matter even if they currently produce the same outcome. A toothless dog and a dog in a muzzle are different in important ways.

Monument,

That’s a great and succinct way to describe that.

Monument,

I don’t really disagree in present circumstances.
But I feel it’s necessary to characterize it correctly. Characterizing the FEC as a whole to be deficient when it’s a few bad actors temporarily at the head of the FEC could be used as justification by other bad actors or well-intentioned but misled people to undermine the FEC - which would make it deficient should the leadership issues be corrected.

Sort of the game that conservatives play with government services. Cut the funding until the service is flagging, then use that as justification to either further cut the budget or reduce the scope of the service until the service is no longer a real government service.
Can’t let ourselves buy into that.

Bonesince1997,

Traitor

foggy,

January 6th was a failed coup attempt.

How is saying you’ll retry your failed coup attempt if you don’t get your way something were allowing a presidential candidate to do?

Kalysta,

Because 30% of the country actively want him to be our dictator.

FuglyDuck,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

wouldn’t want this to appear politically motivated, now would we?

reagansrottencorpse,

We learned nothing from hitlers rise to power, obviously.

billiam0202,

Because “not trying to overthrow the government due to losing an election” isn’t listed in the Constitution as a requirement to be elected. One would think that’s a pretty major oversight.

whotookkarl,
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

It is but the Senate failed to do their job as usual and enforce it, thanks Mitch

Cryophilia,

Except it literally is explicitly written into the constitution. 14th Amendment, Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

The major oversight is our massively and blatantly corrupt Supreme Court.

MrVilliam,

Because he “tells it like it is” or something. Idk. The kind of people still falling for his grift are too shameless to ever admit that they ever fell for his grift, so they’re doubling down, succumbing to the sunk cost fallacy. They just stay in their echo chambers and saturate their awareness with weird culture war shit and then never hear about what’s actually happening. Half of them probably don’t even know that their guy is a defendant in criminal court this week. Willfully ignorant.

foggy,

No I’m fine with uneducated masses eating it up.

I’m not okay with judges pulling out their dentures to slobber on trumps balls over matters that threaten the whole country instead of figuratively castrating him the moment he says shit like this.

MrVilliam,

Agreed. But conservatives have learned over the past 10-20 years that they can more or less just do whatever they want without consequence because 1/3 of the people will fight to the death for whatever they do or say, 1/3 is completely unaware and uninterested in politics and current events, and the final 1/3 is people like us who want consequences but we’re too busy to do anything ourselves because survival is hard enough these days. There are a hundred things worthy of outrage and organized demonstration too, so which cause do we dedicate our summer to trying to fix? The right has an easier time because they just say “things used to be better” and then have one event where people complain about change. Pretty much everybody can identify with being pissed off that something used to be better until they changed it, and for some reason that’s strong enough to get some pretty average people to sit at the table with Nazis. There’s much more nuance and thoughtfulness on the left, so it’s much harder to get unity.

Because conservatives can grow and maintain a reliable base to keep them in power, they feel no need to even pretend to be decent most of the time. They can just fervently choose their own selfish goals over what the Constitution or other rules and laws demand. I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say that we’re rapidly approaching the era of post-democracy America. Some would say we’ve been there for decades already, but I think we’re in for some dictatorial, executions-in-the-streets type of shit if Biden loses. So conservatives in power who like trump or even suspect that he may win or get into power otherwise have to weigh doing the right thing which could hurt their party and draw targets on their backs vs low/no consequence siding with trump.

"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”—David Frum

livus,
livus avatar

Yikes, forgive me if this is a naive question but how are these kinds of veiled threats against American democracy okay with Homeland Security?

Burn_The_Right,

Our positions of authority are infested with conservatives.

livus,
livus avatar

Makes sense. But conservativism pre-dates Trump and realistically will soon outlive him.

It seems odd to me that they are happy to have someone random dismantle bedrock US political system? Or are conservatives less keen on democracy?

Also I get the impression he doesn't have a conservative ideology himself, he seems like more of an opportunist than a believer.

lolcatnip,

Conservatives are lot just less keen on democracy; many of them are actively and openly opposed to it. For example.

livus,
livus avatar

I did not know that. I thought it was like, a cornerstone of American identity.

homesweethomeMrL,

The “conservative” part of right-wing republiQan ideology was largely a lie from the start. The true goals of preserving power in the hands of rich white men were neatly folded into every “deregulation”, “fiscally conservative”, “tough-on-crime” and “trickle-down” talking point for forty years.

See “The Southern Strategy” for more on how important those ideals were to the GOP.

Trump’s success revealed the people who voted for those things don’t care a single bit about them because they could have enacted policies that would follow those supposed ideals, but instead they either did nothing or in some cases did the opposite.

“Barry Goldwater conservative” voices which had a claim to environmental protections were subsumed almost as a first act of the modern era starting with Nixon’s downfall.

livus,
livus avatar

Thanks, hadn't heard of that and it's interesting. I think the stumbling block for me is I always forget how many non-rich people want to facilitate the rich. Kind of like Salacious Crumb on the shoulder of Jabba.

Burn_The_Right,

Historically, unchecked conservatism leads to oppressive regimes. The conservatives here have been getting worse and worse since the civil war. When Reagan sold their party to the Christians, they basically cut the brake lines. Conservatism has been unchecked ever since.

The severity of this infection gets worse here every year. Unfortunately, if history is our guide, treating a disease like this is not a peaceful process. Maybe this time it will be different.

livus,
livus avatar

Thanks.

I always forget/underestimate the religious element in the US.

Coreidan,

Oh it’s because “homeland security” is a false flag term used to spy and control their population.

Kind of like how “weapons of mass destruction” was used to fuel an entire war.

Once you’re rich enough and have enough corporate power you can do whatever you want at the expense to greater population.

livus,
livus avatar

I was going to say CIA at first but then I remembered my parents telling me that is its own country.

Idk I feel like as citizens we need some kind of organization that protects our political systems. There's a weird assault on democracy in my country at the moment too (not coups just unconstitutional legislation) and it really highlights the dangers now that disaster capitalists are on the rise.

Coreidan,

I agree but rich people will break up any attempt to create such a thing.

Buffalox,

Question is what exactly does he mean? That MAGA republicans from around USA will visit the capitol city and go to see congress, all completely peacefully. we just have to hope the LGTB people don’t make a mess of it.

Because isn’t that what he claimed happened?

Trump is such a malignant idiot, and so is everybody who supports him.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

Question is what exactly does he mean?

Terrorism.

But the little bitches in the government are too afraid to call a spade a spade.

Theprogressivist,
@Theprogressivist@lemmy.world avatar

“hE jUsT teLLs iT liKe It iS”

normanwall,

He is their license to act like an asshole, because everything is changing and they don’t like it

Buffalox,

I was referring to Trump’s rhetoric that nothing happened, it was mostly a garden party where everybody from MAGA were nice and didn’t do anything wrong. Despite all the evidence of violence and even policemen/security people dying and threats of executing politicians. But hey, that’s just another day of being American I guess.

normanwall,

Nothing bad happened on Jan6… It was AntiFa and BLM… But the people in jail are patriot MAGA hostages?

These people will say those three things together and not see a problem with it

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t upset conservatives or they won’t vote for me. And my entire election strategy hinges on winning over as many moderate conservatives as possible.

UncleTron,

God I hate those dirty Trumpsters.

MeaanBeaan,

Am I supposed to be afraid of another small enclave of idiots making gigantic asses out of themselves on an international stage?

BigMacHole,

What’s wrong with a Tourist Visit? Or was January 6th NOT a Tourist Visit?

Olhonestjim,

And it could go the same as last time.

gravitas_deficiency,

It’s pretty clear that his endgame is to basically cause an enormous bloodbath.

AceFuzzLord,

At least if he does lose, there will hopefully be a riot squad waiting at the capital in case his threat comes true. It’s what I’d do just in case he loses. In fact, it’d be the first thing I do! At the very least, if they don’t come immediately within the first week after the election, just have them on standby just in case they eventually show up, ready to perform treason.

SuperSaiyanSwag,

I can’t believe Norman Reedus and my birthday dates are tainted by this

ZILtoid1991,

I’m more afraid what will happen if he wins, because I don’t know anything about that. I’d expect a Jan 6 2.0 if he loses, but I don’t know if there will be either Kristalnacht 2.0, Nazi book burnings 2.0, or just slow erosion of secular human rights in favor of christian fascism.

stringere,

just slow erosion of secular human rights in favor of christian fascism.

TheReturnOfPEB,

The SCOTUS says that if we don’t let Trump do that there is a chance that Trump may do that !

Buddahriffic,

If you didn’t already know this would be the case, you’re too optimistic about the situation.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

LOL, “hints”.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

I hope your avatar remains relevant after this year.

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