Trump Hints Another January 6 Could Happen If He Loses the Election

The former president made multiple chilling warnings during an interview with Time magazine.

Donald Trump hasn’t quite let go of the possibility of utilizing mob violence if he loses the next election.

In a sprawling interview for https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/, Trump hinted that leveraging political violence to achieve his end goals was still on the table.

“If we don’t win, you know, it depends,” he told Time. “It always depends on the fairness of the election.”

And from Trump’s perspective, that’s winning rhetoric. According to him, his incendiary comments supporting a mob mentality, his early warnings of forthcoming abuses of power, and his threats to be a dictator on “day one” are only inching him closer to the White House. “I think a lot of people like it,” Trump told Time.

MeaanBeaan,

Am I supposed to be afraid of another small enclave of idiots making gigantic asses out of themselves on an international stage?

BigMacHole,

What’s wrong with a Tourist Visit? Or was January 6th NOT a Tourist Visit?

MNByChoice,

I have strong doubts. The people most likely to “Jan 6” did. A number of them, particularly the mid-level leaders, that actually organized things, are in prison. They have not turned out in numbers since they started getting arrested.

shalafi,

Remember, the Beer Hall Putch failed. So we have nothing to worry about?

MNByChoice,

No. Not my point at all.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Per the new rules in my state, all my history books have had the pages from 1924 to 1957 torn out. So I’m assuming this part of history was just woke and soy and therefore unimportant.

Cryophilia,

Oh man, you didn’t get to read about how our good Christian American soldiers kicked the ass of the Godless Communist Germany in WW2?

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

No. But I was told by a private student group funded through the anonymous donation of particularly religious billionaires that I needed to “do my own research” on who the real bad guys were.

stringere,

Huh? What did I miss?

Traegert,

All it takes is just one person with a gun and a grudge to kill dozens.

Diplomjodler3,

But that won’t take them any closer to toppling the government. Jan. 6 could only happen because Trump actively prevented the police from doing their jobs. That won’t happen under Biden.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Trump actively prevented the police from doing their jobs

I hear Trump did the same thing at Uvalde.

CosmicTurtle0,

They got light sentences. And let’s face it, the people that are going to organize yet another insurrection are going to be duped by the same logic that Trump will pardon them or that their acts are justified.

Trump is threatening our democracy. Again.

He’s saying that if he doesn’t win, there’s going to be another insurrection.

The sad reality is that over the last four years, fascist states have put laws into place that make it legal to overturn elections for little to no reason. No oversight.

He won’t need an insurrection because he has willing accomplices.

Jaysyn,
Jaysyn avatar

They got light sentences.

False. Some of the ones that took a plea deal got light sentences. They also can no longer vote.

The ones that didn't take plea deals got sentences completely in line with the Federal Sentencing guidelines, because that is how our modern Federal courts work.

themeatbridge,

67% of sentences were below the federal guidelines as were 86% of felony sentences.

We’re talking about domestic terrorists who tried to overthrow the government.

stringere,

Yeah but for the majority of federal crimes you’re probably comparing these sentences to drug offender sentences which are much harsher because of the seriousness of the offense.

/s before crucifixion; drug sentences are ridiculous and these traitors getting anything less than a felony disqualifying them from participating in the system they tried to break is madness.

Believing someone when they say the money in the cash register is rightly yours and should be taken by force does not mean you get a pass when you rob a gas station.

Jaysyn,
Jaysyn avatar

17% difference from the norm. Picking nits.

Wojwo,

… For non-rich people.

WraithGear,
@WraithGear@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think voting was a concern when they committed to the coop. Hopefully they are not merely on house arrest after the next election

Cryophilia,

“coup”

It’s French.

Nougat,

They also can no longer vote.

You say that like it matters.

livus,
livus avatar

Yikes, forgive me if this is a naive question but how are these kinds of veiled threats against American democracy okay with Homeland Security?

Burn_The_Right,

Our positions of authority are infested with conservatives.

livus,
livus avatar

Makes sense. But conservativism pre-dates Trump and realistically will soon outlive him.

It seems odd to me that they are happy to have someone random dismantle bedrock US political system? Or are conservatives less keen on democracy?

Also I get the impression he doesn't have a conservative ideology himself, he seems like more of an opportunist than a believer.

lolcatnip,

Conservatives are lot just less keen on democracy; many of them are actively and openly opposed to it. For example.

livus,
livus avatar

I did not know that. I thought it was like, a cornerstone of American identity.

homesweethomeMrL,

The “conservative” part of right-wing republiQan ideology was largely a lie from the start. The true goals of preserving power in the hands of rich white men were neatly folded into every “deregulation”, “fiscally conservative”, “tough-on-crime” and “trickle-down” talking point for forty years.

See “The Southern Strategy” for more on how important those ideals were to the GOP.

Trump’s success revealed the people who voted for those things don’t care a single bit about them because they could have enacted policies that would follow those supposed ideals, but instead they either did nothing or in some cases did the opposite.

“Barry Goldwater conservative” voices which had a claim to environmental protections were subsumed almost as a first act of the modern era starting with Nixon’s downfall.

livus,
livus avatar

Thanks, hadn't heard of that and it's interesting. I think the stumbling block for me is I always forget how many non-rich people want to facilitate the rich. Kind of like Salacious Crumb on the shoulder of Jabba.

Burn_The_Right,

Historically, unchecked conservatism leads to oppressive regimes. The conservatives here have been getting worse and worse since the civil war. When Reagan sold their party to the Christians, they basically cut the brake lines. Conservatism has been unchecked ever since.

The severity of this infection gets worse here every year. Unfortunately, if history is our guide, treating a disease like this is not a peaceful process. Maybe this time it will be different.

livus,
livus avatar

Thanks.

I always forget/underestimate the religious element in the US.

Coreidan,

Oh it’s because “homeland security” is a false flag term used to spy and control their population.

Kind of like how “weapons of mass destruction” was used to fuel an entire war.

Once you’re rich enough and have enough corporate power you can do whatever you want at the expense to greater population.

livus,
livus avatar

I was going to say CIA at first but then I remembered my parents telling me that is its own country.

Idk I feel like as citizens we need some kind of organization that protects our political systems. There's a weird assault on democracy in my country at the moment too (not coups just unconstitutional legislation) and it really highlights the dangers now that disaster capitalists are on the rise.

Coreidan,

I agree but rich people will break up any attempt to create such a thing.

ZILtoid1991,

I’m more afraid what will happen if he wins, because I don’t know anything about that. I’d expect a Jan 6 2.0 if he loses, but I don’t know if there will be either Kristalnacht 2.0, Nazi book burnings 2.0, or just slow erosion of secular human rights in favor of christian fascism.

stringere,

just slow erosion of secular human rights in favor of christian fascism.

njm1314,

This is why we all should arm ourselves heavily. And be ready to fight back.

corsicanguppy,

When I worked for the country I found I’m a pretty decent shot with what you’d’ve called an m16a3 . I had a couple of really great shooty-powpow days.

You know what I’d do if jan6 got crazy again?

Continue to stay away. I have no business being there. I’m not some gung-ho halfwit, passable shot or no.

Sizzler,

Well said.

PsychedSy,

The point isn’t to go out, it’s to have a shooty boi or two at home in case others decide to go out.

reverendsteveii,

if I were a Trumper trying to learn from Jan 6 the lesson I’d learn is that the mob was all in one place and disorganized, which made them easy to find and target, easy to defend against, and very susceptible to morale issues as soon as they got pushback (watch the Ashley Babbit video. As FA turns to FO, pay attention to the mood of the crowd. The fact is there were enough of them close enough that they could have easily overwhelmed the lone guard, but when they realized that this was real life where people who get shot die they lost any will to proceed). Small, organized teams spread out all over the country would be very difficult to defend against, could have goals beyond just disrupting a single vote like kidnapping legislators or knocking out utilities, and could have trained, organized people who are actually ready and willing to put their lives on the line. Don’t think in terms of getting ready for another Jan 6. Jan 6 happened and is over. Think in terms of what the people who did Jan 6 will learn from their failure, and organize around that.

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Small, organized teams spread out all over the country would be very difficult to defend against

Small organized teams leave a trail and it’s much harder for those arranging things to claim ignorance. The disorganization was so they could claim they had “no idea this would happen”.

The people smart enough to organize something are smart enough to keep their hands off of any direct organizing.

reverendsteveii,

remember that their plan involves having an inside guy in the white house who’s capable of just declaring them innocent of any and all crimes

Stern,
@Stern@lemmy.world avatar

The only reason it happened the first time is because he was able to allow it to happen… but he ain’t the one in the oval office now.

Furbag,

Right. Biden would have immediately deployed the national guard in response to a march on the Capitol. Trump intentionally did not, he encouraged the mob and then watched the whole thing unfold on television and didn’t lift a finger.

The next group of MAGA idiots who show up to pull a Jan 6 2.0 will get turned away by authorities actually equipped to handle them.

eldavi,

The next group of MAGA idiots who show up to pull a Jan 6 2.0 will get turned away by authorities actually equipped to handle them.

i wonder if they’ll get smarter w 2.0 and go after unguarded but key pieces of infrastructure like some did in the 2022 elections with power stations.

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

If they get smarter they’ll see that everyone in 1.0 got thrown under the bus and they won’t show up for 2.0

Furbag,

Ultimately I don’t think that will matter much. Acts of domestic terrorism or sabotage won’t affect the outcome of the executive maintaining power and are unlikely to garner much sympathy. Trump wanted to make sure he won by attacking the weakest points of the electoral system - slates of false electors to sow doubt and discord, and when that failed, inciting a mob to interrupt the certification. I think both of those points are still vulnerable to attack, but there are a lot more eyes on it now after 2020. Trump is already on trial for trying to overturn the election, and Biden has no reason to allow an armed mob of crazies storm the Capitol, win or lose.

Olhonestjim,

And it could go the same as last time.

eran_morad,

This fuckstick needs to be thrown into a hole for the rest of his life.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

like just, over and over for 10 hours a day? that’d be pretty funny.

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

I’ll do my part!

gravitas_deficiency,

It’s pretty clear that his endgame is to basically cause an enormous bloodbath.

AceFuzzLord,

At least if he does lose, there will hopefully be a riot squad waiting at the capital in case his threat comes true. It’s what I’d do just in case he loses. In fact, it’d be the first thing I do! At the very least, if they don’t come immediately within the first week after the election, just have them on standby just in case they eventually show up, ready to perform treason.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Not really, because he’s not in power this time.

He can’t hold a protest in DC without approval and given how 1/6 turned out, nobody will give him approval if he loses.

mokus,

And this time around he can’t prevent deployment of the national guard

Jimmyeatsausage,

I mean, he could tweet about how people should show up anyway. I don’t know if it would be effective or not, but knowing how rabid his fans are, it could lead to something. This is just more of his plausible deniablitity shtick. “Oh, a juror I don’t like very much lives here. It sure would be a shame if a bunch of folks harassed or threatened them into doing what I want”

Dude lost 4 years ago and still has a fanatical base that swears it didn’t happen.

baru,

I mean, he could tweet about how people should show up anyway

Last time Trump ensured that police and so on couldn’t prepare. Plus denied any assistance on the day. That alone is a huge difference.

Jimmyeatsausage,

I hope so. The alternative is they show up armed this time.

Badeendje,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, and then you get stopped and arrested on gun charges before you even get there.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

It might be good if something like that were to happen - if thousands and thousands of them were to get arrested on the way to some dumb insurrection that donnie egged on long before they are able to get anyone killed. Get more of them in the prison system to help cripple their movement.

Unfortunately, last time a lot them were simply allowed to go home.

Badeendje,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Yes and then where hunted down and arrested later on. 600+ convictions is not nothing.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

True. I wonder how many they missed, but yes.

It’s interesting to note the difference between the way an insurrection is treated vs. the way someone selling loose cigarettes…

Badeendje,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

I believe there is a whole website dedicated to jan6 people that the FBI would like to talk to.

So if you have time, scroll there and if you know one of the people, the FBI has a contact us form.

www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence-images

Well over 500 people still on the list. That including the 600+ convictions means over a thousand people wanted. I would imagine that half these peoe could be found if ran through a dmv database check.

SuperSaiyanSwag,

I can’t believe Norman Reedus and my birthday dates are tainted by this

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

LOL, “hints”.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

I hope your avatar remains relevant after this year.

TheReturnOfPEB,

The SCOTUS says that if we don’t let Trump do that there is a chance that Trump may do that !

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