shacker,
@shacker@zirk.us avatar

Best explanation I've seen of why the Paradox of Tolerance is no paradox at all.

forschungstorte,

@shacker to copy/paste edit

The Paradox of tolerance disappears if you look at tolerance, not as a moral standard, but as a social contract.

If someone does not abide by the terms of the contract, then they are not covered by it.

In other words: The intolerant are not following the rules of the social contract of mutual tolerance.

Since they have broken the terms of the contract, they are no longer covered by the contract, and their intolerance should NOT be tolerated.

shacker,
@shacker@zirk.us avatar

@forschungstorte Thank you, added! Hopefully someday my Masto client Ivory will support Alt text during posting.

aral,
@aral@mastodon.ar.al avatar

@shacker @forschungstorte Wow, it doesn’t? That’s unconscionable. What’s the deal, @ivory?

(I just downloaded the app to test but I’m not going to subscribe just to see whether or not it allows accessible toots or not as posting is a premium feature.)

PS. Thanks for adding the alt text in. Will boost now.

potatogunkelly,

@aral it does. Scot just had trouble separating “doesn’t do it” and “doesn’t do it the way I want”

mcg,
@mcg@social.lol avatar

@aral @shacker @forschungstorte @ivory It supports it on iOS.

shacker,
@shacker@zirk.us avatar

@mcg @aral @forschungstorte @ivory It is not supported on iOS. I filed a bug report and they acknowledged it. They’ll get to it. This is the entirety of their Share Sheet currently.

ivory,
@ivory@tapbots.social avatar

@shacker @mcg @aral @forschungstorte Yes we don't have alt text support in the share sheet yet. It's on our list of things to add. We recommend adding media from within the app compose view which does allow you to add alt text.

shacker,
@shacker@zirk.us avatar

@ivory @mcg @aral @forschungstorte For sure, that is a workaround that works, but unfortunately, there’s no way to access images in the Lightroom mobile app from there. I’d have to export from Lightroom to Apple Photos, and then post directly from with the I Ivory app - quite a workaround.

ivory,
@ivory@tapbots.social avatar

@aral @shacker @forschungstorte We support adding alt text in posts. We have since the beginning.

maxheadroom,
@maxheadroom@hub.uckermark.social avatar

@ivory @aral @shacker @forschungstorte I can definitely confirm that this work in since the beginning. Using it all the time ... find it quite conveniently implemented actually.

dharrison,

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  • shacker,
    @shacker@zirk.us avatar

    @dharrison @maxheadroom @ivory @aral @forschungstorte Of course I know how to do it from within Ivory! I’m talking about adding all text while posting an image to Ivory from the share sheet. That is the missing feature that Ivery acknowledges. Going back to the post and adding alt text afterwards is a workaround, not a solution.

    Fairaday,
    @Fairaday@mastodon.social avatar

    @ivory @aral @shacker @forschungstorte Yeahp. Ivory has been my Masto app since release and I alway add alt text. You just tap the photo after attaching it. Maybe they just don’t realize the workflow.

    DrKevGuitar,

    @forschungstorte @shacker Also, our entire legal system and morality is based on intolerance of certain behaviors. The paradox of tolerance vanishes as soon as behaviors the paradox is involved to protect are illegal or immoral.

    luana,

    @shacker Having tolerance as a contract makes it something optional, one can just not accept the contract and then they can be intolerant - meaning that intolerance wouldn’t have to be stopped, just wouldn’t be protected

    ozofriendly,

    @shacker
    utter guff :blobcatfacepalm:

    Crell,
    @Crell@phpc.social avatar

    @shacker Since some folks seems to be debating what tolerance means, I will drop a link to Scott Alexander's excellent (if characteristically long) piece on the subject.

    The key part is the two parables at the beginning.

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/

    dr2chase,
    @dr2chase@ohai.social avatar

    @Crell @shacker
    I think he's playing a shell game there. If you look at it as utility functions, intolerance is like a dependent utility function, your preferences depend on someone else preferences/actions ("keeping up with the Joneses", the SUV-embiggening road arms race), and in a different category from independent utility functions ("I like turtles").

    And also, there's personal, versus social, professional, and legal, which place higher and higher restrictions on expressed preferences.

    estheria,

    @Crell @shacker that first parable is exactly what is happening with Jordan Neely

    mathew,
    randynose,
    @randynose@fosstodon.org avatar

    @shacker
    @william_shotts

    Good way to explain that...

    Tolerance = MUTUAL tolerance.

    For the Social Contract to work.

    woozle,

    @shacker source for the cited inspiration: Tolerance is not a moral precept

    (see also Issuepedia)

    ainmosni,
    @ainmosni@berlin.social avatar

    @shacker Good explanation, and I agree, but "Contract of tolerance" doesn't have the same ring to it.. :)

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