Secondly, I agree that threatening to defederate an instance for having the misfortune to be haunted by Matt Blaze is petty. But it's just some arsehat's opinion, not representative of Mastodon or the fediverse as a whole.
@gruber So what? Someone makes a silly request on the internet, all hell breaks loose. That’s a regular Tuesday.
As far as I can see, this only served to make the whole story more juicy, since now we can all make silly posts about people making silly posts, which will cause even more silly posts. Which is the extend of real world impact. 🤷♂️😃
(This post would be most awkward if the instance was actually defederated by now, but it seems nothing happened. 😳)
@gruber following that logic, the mass-blocking script I used on Twitter spelled the doom of that platform too. Except that’s not what happened and also doesn’t make any sense
@gruber if Mastodon can work out a way to preserve posts when changing server, then the petulant nannies have very little control of their members disagree with them
@gruber this is how I’ve tried to describe it visually. How the fiefdoms of the fediverse is both what makes it work but also very hard to do anything that has a network effect.
@gruber if some random person on some random instance overreacts to some other random person on some other random instance and threatens to defederate... that seems like an interpersonal problem between those people, not a problem with mastodon
also I have no idea why we think similar behavior won't happen on bluesky if and when they actually allow federation, the single feature which is the entire ostensible point of both mastodon and bluesky
@gruber I can't see anyone threatening to defederate him in the thread h references, but if they were, it would probably be because of this post, not because of his feature suggestion:
@gruber@mattblaze This is an example of why I'm worried the veteran Mastodon community and the Twitter refugee community will never get along. I hope my worry is proven unfounded. ☹️
@gruber without seeing the context, which he conveniently doesnt show, I can’t judge. Is this the guy leo laporte reported for failing to control abusive posts from his domain?
@gruber Nah. It's safe to just ignore everyone who keeps screaming about how they're going to defederate everybody. In the end they'll have a network consisting of only their own server.
I stopped following the #fediblock hashtag a long time ago for this reason. A very small amount of instance admins making a lot of noise relevant to noone but themselves.
@mcg You actually had to unfollow him yourself? I could blocked for respectfully disagreeing with the Gospel according to Blaze, so I didn't need to bother.
@mcg@gruber Unfollowing him is a perfectly reasonable response.
As is muting. Or even blocking, maybe.
Threatening to defederate his entire instance, however, is completely unhinged.
I don’t share @gruber’s prediction (I think this is a unique case and one that in theory BS will be susceptible to as well, in time), but the problem here isn’t with Blaze at all — and it’s a good example of the overly-ideological weirdos who hold too much sway here.
@mcg@gruber Why I’m more optimistic than @gruber is not only because Bluesky will have this stuff happen as well (once/if it actually federates), but because with each passing day more “normies” show up on Mastodon, and the unhinged types will eventually be diluted.
There will always be these sorts of people, but if we play our cards right they will self-isolate and the rest of us can go along our way.
@gruber Precisely the fact that Mastodon is decentralized should make it more robust against these behaviors. You have the option to choose the instance with the moderation guidelines that you prefer.
@gruber but isn’t Bluesky also supposed to be decentralized? So what will make it different from Mastodon in this particular aspect? Real question, not passive-aggressive or anything. Actually curious.
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