@Jedigirl
Guy: now I have a daughter, I'm realizing that other men will treat her as badly as I treat women, and I feel kind of uncomfortable with that.
His wife: what.the.fuck?
@Jedigirl Having a mother, sisters, a wife, didn't influence his perspective or behavior. But, a daughter changed everything. My experience is that the misogyny gets passed on to the daughters. These men don't really change.
@Jedigirl ahhh yes, the paternal ownership awakening. It’s the next step up from ‘MY little girl’ and results from them realizing that every woman they treated poorly had a father. The punchline is that deep down it’s those fathers they believe they harmed, not the women.
@Jedigirl "my sex robot got pregnant and a new sex robot came out but I didn't want to sex this one, so I was wondering what else it could be useful for and looked closer and found it had thoughts, feelings, even a form of sentience!"
@Jedigirl You know, my father was the first one to acknowledge my daughter above myself as capable gender humans. JFC, when I looked at him silently, he turned scarlet and added some lame something that mattered not. Never offered him another real portion of my life or myself after that. HE WASN'T WORTH IT.
@Jedigirl I’ve definitely heard other guys say this sort of thing. I can’t say I am not completely immune to that, or at least that having a daughter has changed me. I would like to think it just made reflect harder about women’s rights and gender discrimination, but misogyny is certainly an issue with older guys like myself.
@Jedigirl “Something happens when a dude has a daughter: Women, once mystifying, vexing creatures with shoe racks, eyelash curlers, and vagina holes become fully formed three-dimensional human beings. The mere and sudden fact of fatherhood pushes men into a new realm of cognizance: They have to care about what happens to women — but only some, and only if they’re of a certain race, class, or status — and maybe even take misconduct against them a little personally…”
@Jedigirl and how else were we supposed to learn? Do you think our fathers or the other men in our life provided better role models? Do you think they'd better role models?
I'm lucky to be a father to an incredible young woman and she's taught me more than anyone what it means to a be a man and to care for women.
Maybe we should be celebrating people capable of changes instead of downplaying how hard their accomplishments were
@metaphorology and before you had your daughter did you think of women as people? You have no problem with how some men perceive women? The point is they should already know women are people. The fact that some don't is actually quite disturbing, yet that doesn't seem to bother you.
@Jedigirl I think without lengthy discourse with each other both genders only have a sketchy notion what it's like to be a man or a woman. For me by the time I got to observe male female interaction, by mom was already bipolar and my dad was a silent stoic.
Watching my daughter grow, supporting & nurturing her gave the knowledge of what it is like to grow up as the other sex. I never thought women to be unequal or inferior, I simply had very little to shape my understanding of a woman's XP.
I always knew she was a person, but didn't understand anything of the way women have to move in the world until my sister told me our mom taught her to put her keys sticking out from her fist when alone.
I was never taught that, but I wish I was.
Either way, that story changed how I saw the reality of unsafety always present for women.
I understand that in my own way as a queer person, but recognize my privilege when I show up "male"
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