evan, (edited )
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

How many times have you left your native country?

ShaulaEvans,
@ShaulaEvans@zirk.us avatar

@evan I'm living in my fifth country, so to give an accurate answer, I'd need to know if "native country" means where you were born or your home base.

Either way, I easily clear 26 though.

rose,
@rose@linuxrocks.online avatar

@evan I worked in USA, where I was born, and lived in Canada and crossed the border most weeks... for 17 years. So - close to 1000 times.

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

@rose 😯

evan, (edited )
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

This was interesting.

First, "leaving your native country" is very fraught with meaning -- from emigration to vacation to business to refuge and asylum. There are a lot of intense feelings in the replies.

I'm 26+. We moved to Canada about 20 years ago, but I visit California 1x-2x per year, so even without the international travel before I moved, I still clear 26.

Last, very few zeros! Far fewer than I expected.

jph,

@evan I’m actually pretty surprised by that. I’m a zero and would have expected more. I don’t have a passport. I’m probably about as far from Montreal as I am from Boston but as far as I know I’ve never crossed that border.

erictgilmour,

@evan I imagine North Americans would skew lower than Europeans. More expensive and more difficult to leave Canada or the US. Not to mention you can drive for days and not leave your country here.

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

@erictgilmour so many of us live near the US border, though!

erictgilmour,

@evan true, but there's not much tourist draw to most parts of the US near the border. Plus you need to clear customs, and worry about all the American bullshit

bplein,

@evan

I consider myself lucky to have traveled outside the US so much.

In 2019 alone I went to Europe 4 separate times, a combination of 2 work trips and two personal. It was a great year from that perspective!

johannab,
@johannab@cosocial.ca avatar

@evan I think for Canadians, given the length and lack of defense at our land border, "leave your country" can have a very low bar.

That said, I've left a still-countable number of times, most to the US, a couple of times just for a day.

If you ask "how many different countries have you visited" well, my answer ends up being "too few!!!". Would love to have the means and time to get out of North America more.

vicuzumeri,

@evan

I suspect some of it is steeped in family and culture. Canada is a nation of immigrants. Even though I was born in Toronto, I had relatives in Turkey from my earliest years and my parents were seasoned travellers, so I caught the bug.

When I lived and taught in Alabama for 2 decades, I met lots of 10th generation Southerners that had seldom left their own state, let alone the US.

TrillionB,
@TrillionB@mstdn.social avatar

@evan In some of my social circles outside of Mastodon, I know many people that have never left their native country.

I'm curious if this speaks to the demographics of who uses Mastodon.
Along with who follows Evan. :)

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

@TrillionB I was surprised how low the 0 number was.

log,
@log@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@evan I feel like going between Minnesota and Ontario while riding a pickerel shouldn't get full credit.

tlariv,
@tlariv@mastodon.cloud avatar

@evan

Technically once. I was about two and have never been back.

lightweight,
@lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz avatar

@evan how would you account for "emigrated to a new hemisphere and adopted a new 'native' country" in that poll?

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

@lightweight I think your native country is the one you're born in. I'd say "home country" for someplace you moved to which became home.

lightweight,
@lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz avatar

@evan Ok, understood.

tobyink,

@evan technically one. I was born in Japan, left Japan when I was a few weeks old, and though I've travelled around the world a lot since, I've never been to Japan again, so I've only left my native country once.

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

@tobyink This is the story I made this poll for, and I didn't know it!

governa,
@governa@fosstodon.org avatar

@evan I've left it permanently. Career you see.

Cassandra,

@evan
You mean for vacation or relocation?

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

@Cassandra either, or for any other reason.

novembrinewaltz,

@evan left and never went back

ACAElliott,
@ACAElliott@mstdn.social avatar

@evan

And one of those times, permanently.

ghostdancer,
@ghostdancer@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@evan I voted 6 to 25 but, I only count the main ones, they are much more, I live next to the border so even as a teen we went to do some shopping to the other side.

DrEvanGowan,
@DrEvanGowan@fediscience.org avatar

@evan I have probably left 6-25 times, but I have lived outside for 13 years!

blit32,
@blit32@noc.social avatar

@evan what if you don’t have a native country? I grew up between two countries and call neither of them home.

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

@blit32 were you born right on the border?

blit32,
@blit32@noc.social avatar

@evan no but I spent my childhood hopping from one country to the other. I think if you calculated my “average location” it would be in the middle of the ocean though.

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

@blit32 I think "native country" means the one you were born in.

blit32,
@blit32@noc.social avatar

@evan When I think “native country” I think the country you identify with as a child. Think of an American child born in Germany but only lived there for a year or two, is their native country Germany or America?

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

@blit32 I mean, it's up to you to decide how you want to respond. Here's the dictionary definition, though:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/native-country

Steeph,
@Steeph@mastodon.green avatar

@evan
Living in a small, well connected country, having friends in Germany, Belgium and France, having had a father who was pilot, needed to travel for businesses.... You might need another category yet.
Will be near 500 for me.

vesperto,
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  • evan,
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    @vesperto that's a very interesting statement! Could you elaborate?

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    @vesperto So, you're asking if leaving to live abroad and leaving to go to the beach and leaving to flee a civil war all count the same?

    They all count the same. The question is, how many times have you left.

    emmanuelwald,
    @emmanuelwald@deacon.social avatar

    @evan I lived all my life near borders, thus it's a thing I did a lot my whole life, just to fill the car or buy some groceries cheaper on the other side.

    bobjonkman,
    @bobjonkman@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

    @evan
    Hm. I chose 2-5, but then the poll refreshed and I'm listed as 6-25. I can find no way in the app to edit my selection, or delete it, or to take it again with a different answer.

    evan,
    @evan@cosocial.ca avatar

    @bobjonkman wild! The numbers reset for me.

    EmmaPaulay,
    @EmmaPaulay@mastodon.green avatar

    @evan Can't remember, I haven't lived there for 30 years.

    evan,
    @evan@cosocial.ca avatar

    @EmmaPaulay wow! No visits back since then?

    EmmaPaulay,
    @EmmaPaulay@mastodon.green avatar

    @evan Yes, plenty, but I don't know how many times I've left the UK, before or since I settled in France.

    evan,
    @evan@cosocial.ca avatar

    @EmmaPaulay I moved to Montreal from San Francisco about 20 years ago. We go back to California to see my parents and brothers and in-laws once or twice a year. So I think I'm well over the 25 or more line.

    psychoalpastor,
    @psychoalpastor@kolektiva.social avatar

    @evan zero, been too poor.

    evan,
    @evan@cosocial.ca avatar

    @psychoalpastor do you think it gives you a different perspective on the world?

    psychoalpastor,
    @psychoalpastor@kolektiva.social avatar

    @evan If anything I wish I knew and could experience way more about the rest of the world. I've suspected that part of the terrible attitude that Americans have about other countries is most of us only hear about them when bad stuff happens. We don't get to regularly see people elsewhere just being people.

    I didn't think about it in the sense of fleeing one's country because of the options given. You normally do that once or maybe twice if you have to? Sad that that ever happens though, people should be safe everywhere.

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    @tokyo_0 @psychoalpastor it's funny that we all look at it as a privilege, when having to flee your native country because of war or persecution or economic necessity is a tragedy.

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  • evan,
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    @tokyo_0 @psychoalpastor yes. What I'm saying is, we're framing border-crossing as something that rich people do and poor people don't, which is only true in certain countries in certain circumstances.

    den,

    @evan This is a topic I always avoided because people laugh and become incredulous if you’ve never traveled. “Why?!” Growing up poor is a real buzz kill.

    evan,
    @evan@cosocial.ca avatar

    @den I'm sorry to hear that.

    piratep,

    @evan
    Your flight information will be used against you on the numberg climate trials of 2077

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  • evan,
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    @hyperzonk right, but crossing borders between countries neither one of which you were born in doesn't count.

    Archnemysis,
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    @evan for personal / family / leisure travel? 6-25. But counting my time in the US Navy would be over 25.

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