@justafrog@StillIRise1963 it’s hard for me to believe that anyone accepts this version of presidential immunity as a general principle. I’m guessing if Biden did something flagrantly criminal and then suggested immunity, they would have a different tune.
This is about laying the groundwork for making official the cult of personality around Trump, similar to what you see in North Korea.
Much of the SCOTUS is no less guilty than Trump, MAGA, and the GOP personally. It's time to hold them accountable because their crimes are on a scale that there should only be maximum penalties!
@StillIRise1963 Pisses me off because my ancestors fought against this sort of madness in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Civil War, WWI,and WWII. Seriously stop it.
@superflippy@StillIRise1963
My great great grandfather was present at the Burning of Atlanta and took part in Sherman‘s March to Sea. How many times we need to do this?
@CStamp@StillIRise1963 more than that.. with this “theory”, Biden could lock up the entire senate to prevent conviction. And so the facade of having three co-equal branches of government just falls away
@CStamp@StillIRise1963 I saw the civil war movie last weekend, and it was a bit too realistic for me. Sometimes I think SCOTUS is playing with fire like it did with the Dred Scott decision.
Either the rules apply to everyone or they don’t. It really is that simple
@hasani@StillIRise1963 For others, who also weren't familiar with this: "In this ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that enslaved people were not citizens of the United States and, therefore, could not expect any protection from the federal government or the courts. The opinion also stated that Congress had no authority to ban slavery from a Federal territory. -1857"
"The decision of Scott v. Sandford, considered by many legal scholars to be the worst ever rendered by the Supreme Court..."
It seems that the constitution needs more updating, enshrining a woman's right over her own body, and if it's not clear that a president is not above the law, make that clear.
@hasani The majority of them don’t think the rules to everyone. As long as they sit up there, they’re a threat to us. They have to be impeached, the Court has to be added to. @CStamp
@hasani@StillIRise1963 Yep. It really is outrageous that the Supreme Court would entertain this, as it's absurd. And...nothing would stop Biden from putting a hit out on the orange thing to save the world from the pain of his existence. He is too decent for that, but if a president is immune, all presidents are immune, which again makes this pageantry absurd.
I mean, why was a pardon appropriate? What's more, why did Nixon accept it? Everyone at the Supreme Court today was a lawyer and they all know that accepting a pardon is a tacit admisson of guilt. Nixon knew this too, of course.
@StillIRise1963 Just blindingly ridiculous - If one person is above the law - then there is no law. SCOTUS knows that - but having leaped into a cesspit they are now going through the motions until early November 2024.
@StillIRise1963 Or the nation that wants to slide into totalitarianism.
An ever-present feature of all dictatorships is immunity for politicians. This legacy still poisons many Latin American countries that used to be ruled by dictators. The immunity laws are often still on the books. Why would politicians get rid of them?
Because of the history, many of the people take it for granted that politicians and judges have immunity.
This is gradually being fixed in places like Guatemala but it takes decades.
And here we are in the U.S.A. talking about it like it was a reasonable thing to consider and argue about. This is crazy. It's not.
@StillIRise1963 The unfortunate truth is that those people in Congress and on the Supreme Court are people that we the people are ultimately responsible for putting there. We allowed it.
I'm not saying you or I individually condoned or supported it but around half the population did. And quite a few of those want to go much farther toward the right. (They're ignorant and don't know what they're doing, but they think they do.)
I saw this in the population 30 years ago and more. The U.S. is full of nasty entitled people, bigots, racists, xenophobes, people who want the U.S. world hegemony that we've enjoyed since WW2 to translate into us forcing our will on the rest of the world.
I've spent a lot of time out in the world and in so-called third-world countries. I was constantly embarrassed by "ugly Americans".
Anyway, we have a huge problem in this country. A large fraction of the population is under the sway of right-wing media. They're addicted to it and get their fix every day. And, they all vote.
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant theme throughout U.S. history. "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge and this is proven by the fact that my vote counts just as much as yours." So you can be darned sure they all vote. Voting is the great equalizer for stupid people.
The disadvantage liberals have is we all think for ourselves so organizing liberals is like trying to herd cats. Whereas right-wingers are accustomed to regimentation and being told what to think, starting with their religion. So they easily fall into lock-step and goosestep their way to electoral victory. Modern technology has made it very easy to organize these people. How to fix it is not at all clear to me because the fundamental need is for education, and that takes generations to fix. I really don't know how we're going to dig our way out of this mess.
@StillIRise1963 the guy said that he would be able to shot someone on Fifth Avenue with no consequences, and It seems he was right: untimely justice is no justice at all.
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