Prefer self checkout because no talking and I'm typically faster than most cashiers. Nothing sucks more than waiting 3 mins while a new cashier tries to figure out if you handed then a turnip or a rutabaga lmao.
You really think the average person knows how to ring up produce better than the cashier? I'd much rather interact with a real person anyway, it makes it feel like you're supporting an actual business and employees instead of a computer with food behind it.
Which cashier? I've seen some that are worse than me (i've only cashiered fast food which is different enough that I wouldn't expect to be good), and some that are great.
Or maybe they need to actually be trained and educated on things pertaining to their job by a corporation too busy sucking the very life from their bodies.
Yeah I have trouble believing this. They just remodeled the Walmart near me and I bet there’s 60 self checkout machines. There’s like maybe 3-5 normal checkout lines in between the self checkout.
I keep seeing stories every so often on Facebook about this. I feel like these stories just pop up to bring up engagement on the site. most stores in my area (Florida) have increased self checkout
Yeah I think they saw a couple of examples Of stores taking out the self checkout lanes and ran with them. Although you could say the theft that the self checkout lanes allow is a recurring expense, but that’s probably not nearly as much as the saving that the machines give.
Shrink has hovered around 1.5% (that’s 1.5% of total sales…) And the NRF has been coy about the fact that 1/3 of that shrink is “administrative” issues - lost product, mis allocated, warehouse issues, broken in transit, etc.
Additionally, a little less than a third is from employee theft, and a the remaining 36% is external theft.
But since they lump mistakes and general admin issues in with theft, they get to claim a higher number whenever they complain very loudly so that they can redirect the conversation away from the massive increase in profits they have had, along with the increase in wage theft cases they are losing, as well as trying to cover up the fact they are closing “under performing” stores in poorer neighborhoods (which not limits access to people in those locations, but the store doesn’t care, they dont buy stuff anyway…).
Kroger here just added two more lanes of self-checkout. We won’t use them. We’re a family of 3. We buy a lot of groceries. Doing it by ourselves would take so much more time.
Our Kroger had two rows of mini self checkouts, 2x3, and adjacent it was a cashier checkout. They removed one of the rows of minis and replaced it and the subsequent with a conveyor self checkout instead, so 3 minis and 2 conveyors.
Now there are fewer places to check out, and the belted checkout is annoying as all hell to use. If you have 3 items it’s wasteful to use it because you have to walk 5 feet to fetch your bags, and if you have a large cart of groceries you wouldn’t want to self checkout anyway because it’s a hell of a lot easier to have help.
Exit gates you need a receipt to go through. That shit isn’t even legal, I’ve been waiting for someone pushing that to the SC so they’ll have to dismantle them nationwide.
Ppft, stores thinking they can hinder my free movement in society? I’ll go violent over that, that’s where I draw the final line, no more of this capitalist surveillance shit, you put barriers in my way I’ll stomp them to pieces.
I’m lucky enough to not need to take the risks involved in order to get by, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to fuck over someone that may be unluckier than me. Idgaf what it is, I’m fucking sergeant Schultz.
You’re helping make the case for retaining more checkout workers.
You’re keeping those minimum-wage checkout supervisors safe by not putting them in a position to intervene with desperate people trying to feed themselves.
You’re helping the store avoid wage theft by having you play unpaid, untrained, unqualified security guard.
You’re helping the needy feed themselves.
Give yourself a pat on the back, you local hero! 🫡
If I cared enough, I’d tell someone because I hate thieves, but I generally prefer to mind my own business. Same philosophy if I saw someone stealing from a small business.
If you’re concerned about theft, this is objectively correct - Walmart steal more through wage theft than shoplifters steal from them.
Similarly, in terms of harm done, stealing even a flatscreen TV has an imperceptible impact on the Walton family, while stealing wages from an employee that’s so underpaid, their wages need to be supplemented with publicly funded food stamps is crippling.
This is a public forum. Where debate and conversation takes place. Having a conversation with someone doesn’t mean you care about them. That’s an odd conclusion to reach. Chill out guy. It’s ok when people disagree with you. It’s a good thing. It’s a way of being exposed to new ways of thinking. If you’re looking for an echo chamber, I’m sure reddit is taking new users.
My grandmother snitch on some poor bastard stealing crystal light at walmart. If someones stealing fucking crystal light from walmart theyre clearly in way worse than I am.
I worked at a supermarket in a wealthy area for years - no one stole more than the wealthy old crones from the retirement village next around the corner.
The funny thing is she ain’t wealthy, ffs we live in the same house. She’s just got a really stupid and weirdly conservative and at the same time progressive sense of morality.
Oh - that I just don’t care about. Do you care about the wage theft they’re committing? It’s at a far larger scale than any shoplifting.
Why are you so concerned with protecting a massive multi-billionaire-owned company plagued with ethical issues? Are those billionaire boots super-tasty or something?
I avoid self-checkout as often as possible. In my mind, that’s taking a job away from a physical person, it’s a cost-savings for the retailer, but customers never see any benefit from it. I choose the person checkout everytime as my little bit of solidarity with my fellow humans.
Have you considered switching to pickup when you can? pick what you want from the comfort of your home, drive to the store at the designated time, an employee has picked all your goods and it is brought out to you. Same price for you, more labor for the company to pay for.
If you’re just ordering non perishable items that’s fine. Otherwise you might get nearly-expired items, over-ripe produce, etc. It’s all up to the whim of the employee, and they may be having a bad day…
I make sure that I am on very good terms with them. I help them get the groceries into the car and I joke around with them. It helps that I am sincere and they know that.
I really don’t like doing pickup for most trips because I care about the quality and ripeness of my produce and also purposefully select the furthest away expiry dates for certain things I go through slowly, it becomes a lot to ask someone else to do if there are 20 comment lines for these little details, but if I don’t it just results in wasted food and money :/
I see massive benefits from being able to get out of the store quickly when I am done instead of getting stuck behind some old person with a ton of coupons to argue about.
It helps that they sorted out the oversensitive weight checking and still staff a couple of lanes when it is busy so people have a choice.
Self checkout is often not the quick option for me. Accidental double scans, coupons, random tests all requiring assistance who is already occupied make waiting behind an old person a more consistent experience.
you can be annoyed about something someone is doing without making some personal judgement about that someone
if my train is late because the train driver had a heart attack im aware that its not the drivers fault, but im still not going to be thrilled about my luck
I’m the opposite. I use self-checkout as often as possible, because it means I have to interact with as few people as possible. I loathe people being forced to ask me how I’m doing, because we both know they don’t care. Or when they ask “Did you find everything?”- does it fucking matter? Either I did, which is why I’m checking out, or I didn’t, in which case it doesn’t fucking matter because thanks to their shitty implementation of JIT their stock has been converted from on-prem inventory to rolling warehouse deliveries every single day. Just let me get what I want and get out.
I have never seen cashiers ask such things. At most they’d ask whether I have the discount card or if I want one of the featured discounted items. Usually I don’t miss anything when wearing headphones.
But then how will Margaret, the 80 year old lady who can retire but doesn’t want to because she has no friends or family and therefore nobody to talk to except for her captive customers, get her social interaction?
Literally the opposite is happening. Look at any busy store: self checkout can handle like 10 people, compared to registers which are significantly less at any given time. Registers account for much less business, and corporations are going to try and get by the minimal amount of employees as possible to function. Handling physical cash also adds more complexity with tills having to be deposited, audited, and withdrawn daily.
I just wish more stores took a hybrid approach. Like fuck, regular checkout and self checkout don’t have to be mutually exclusive. But all the stores around me with self-checkout never staff more than 1 MAAAAAYBE 2 regular cashiers.
what is actually happening is far worse then either of the scenarios. Bigger retail establishments such as Walmart is doing away with the brick and mortar stores in general in favor of online only warehouses. No walk in and grab 2 or 3 items, gotta buy it online if you want the item. They were just boasting about it on the Wire (Walmart’s Associate Page not the news site) a few weeks back.
Don’t get it. Sam’s and BJs both have scanning apps on the phone. Most amazing tech ever! Costco… HURRY UP! Also, Sam’s and Bjs don’t check my card because I WOULDNT BE ABLE TO BUY ANYTHING WITHOUT THE CARD ANYWAYS… Costco!!
I’m an AI enthusiast and I don’t know why people are down voting you here. Automated systems are great, but you run the risk of just doing the status quo faster, and removing the social element.
Can confirm. Used to work for a big retailer and one day caught someone stealing (not food) and confronted them. I was a pretty solid employee who had been there for years but my manager had to fight hard to stop me from being fired; it was a really close call.
Yeah it’s been 20+ years since I worked retail but we weren’t allowed to confront anyone, especially inside the store. We had to wait until they left the store for a manager to approach them and we had to be 100% sure they stole something in the first place.
The worst I ever saw happen to someone is they gave it back when confronted outside the store, it was a $5 can of automotive spray paint.
I was never quite sure if this was all legal reasons or because of the blowback against the brand if someone was wrong and it made headlines.
When I was a youth, we used to go to Safeway and get donuts or “Mojo’s” (wedge fries) at the bakery, then munch them while walking through the store so that they were gone by the time we got to the till to buy our cans of pop.
One of those unforgettable moments from those years was when we were finally called out by a security guy, something very casual like “you boys are gonna pay for those donuts up front, right?” and Chris who was “that guy” in our crew, bounced his donut off the mall cop’s head and ran like his life depended on it
For this reason, I think it’s pretty shitty they put condoms in alarm boxes. If there’s something I’m okay with stealing from a Wal-Mart, it’s food and condoms.
Don’t think I could convict anyone stealing safety glasses either.
I believe it’s policy at Walmart for the regular staff to not prevent theft at all. Loss prevention handles that. They’ll build a case without pursuing at first, and then being down the hammer.
Target will wait for you to steal serval “inflated value mind you full profit plus…” thousand dollars of stuff before pursuing you legally. It’s easier when it’s large sums.
I keep hearing this and I wonder about how they do this. I mean how to they keep records of every shoplifter? Do the employees recognize the people every time they come in? How many shoplifters can they keep track of? Are they like “ah yeah it’s shoplifter 687, put this video in his file”? Do they bother with people stealing an occasional item like basic clothing or food? Are they watching a single shoplifter over years, like what if they only steal once in a while and it’s low value? I’m curious about this, I’ve never actually heard from anyone who was watched over a period of time and then prosecuted.
They have your face and whatever else information you give them when you check out. It’s all covered in cameras. Doesn’t take much. I’m sure they don’t get everything and they have false positives. But if you become such a problem for them yeah.
I don’t have any real experience with this but I think it’s actually hard to catch the accidental thefts and such who they are losing so much money and starting to rethink these things.
I was busted for shoplifting as a teenager and I sort of know how this works. The general employees (cashiers, service staff, etc.) don’t give a fuck if you steal and will actually get in trouble if they try and apprehend you. Almost all large companies operate this way for liability reasons. They aren’t insured enough to cover all of their staff in the event that one of them gets injured or killed trying to stop someone from stealing something. Much less costly to simply budget in a line item expense for incidental theft that’s bound to happen.
Instead of the employees focusing on shoplifters, they have a loss prevention agent in the back watching cameras. Those cameras all over the place in all the big box retail stores, and they don’t even look like those super obvious dome cameras anymore. Most people who steal and get away with it will eventually come back to the same store to do it again. They take note of your face/features and watch for you to return (also, the large chain stores will share this information with other nearby stores). As soon as you step through the door the next time you come in, cameras are recording your every move. That’s exactly what happened with me and my delinquent friends. We ripped off the same store about 2-3 times and the last time was when the guy actually made his move and apprehended us. He waited for us to actually take something without paying for it and physically stopped us at the door as we were stepping through the threshold. At that point, they confiscate whatever you stole, show you the security footage of you taking the product and walking out with it, call the cops, press charges for petty theft if under $1000, and call your parent/guardian if you are a minor.
In my case, I got extremely lucky because the cops simply never showed up after hours of waiting for them, and eventually, they couldn’t legally detain us any longer, so they released us to our parents without charges. My Mom was pissed and set me straight when we got home, and I stopped hanging around the dumbass kids who coerced me into doing it in the first place. We were also banned for life from the store, but I’ve actually been back to that same store several times as an actual customer and they didn’t recognize me anymore. Or they just didn’t give a shit.
If you just steal once, especially if it’s a spur of the moment thing, a very low value item, or a complete accident, it’s really unlikely that loss prevention will care. If they start noticing lots of inventory going missing, they will watch those sections much closer for suspicious activity. There’s always the chance that you could just be randomly singled out by the cameras.
I’ve heard of some places not bothering to stop food thieves because a person who steals food from a grocery store probably desperately needs it, but I imagine they all have a line that they aren’t willing to let people cross.
I feel like in the future this is going to get more intense. They will have facial+ear+gait recognition combined with AI so they can detect and combine literally every instance of shoplifting, intentional or not (to say nothing of footage that only coincidentally has the appearance of shoplifting but they retain it as “proof” anyway), over decades of visits to any of their locations, and once you’ve accumulated over $1000 combined in unpaid merchandise, hit you with a felony charge.
Or they just ban you after the first incident straight up, and electronically recognize you and kick you out for the rest of your life afterward.
And you would have no affordable recourse because they have all the footage and lawyer money to oppose fighting it.
“theft over” (aka theft over $5,000.00) can get you 10 years in federal prison, “theft under” is up to two years in provincial jail. That’s a huuuge difference.
Also, more footage, more angles, easier to convict.
Same at my Costco. They have 6 or maybe even 9 "self checkouts" and each is manned by an employee who scans everything without removing anything from the cart. Its basically a compact checkout. Recently was in another area and the Costco had true self checkouts with weight sensors messing up and requiring employee overide and all. It was a pain in the ass.
They have the weighing thing, and then also the people who count your items at the door… so it would be hard to do. I think the thought was it’s just more efficient to help if the employees are already standing there.
I think they do it for customers with bulky items that you can’t comfortably scan yourself since Costco self checkouts don’t have wireless barcode scanners like Sams so the employee manning the self checkouts uses their own that basically temporarily connects to whatever terminal the customer they’re scanning for. Very helpful so I don’t have to fuddle with big packs of paper towels or soda to try to scan their barcode on the built-in barcode reader. Kind of an oversight imo Costco… you literally specialize in bulk items lol the poor worker doing self checkout scanning assistance is always running back and forth between customers
If they would let you use the handheld scanner and not remove things from your cart, it would go so much faster. I used to do that at Sam’s a decade ago; dunno if it changed. I still load my cart barcode up on the off chance one of the cool employees is running self checkout because they’ll scan my entire cart in 30s like I wish I could.
I always load the cart barcode up when doing 10-15 item runs at the grocery Costco (a small one that was by my house… groceries and office supplies only). I tried doing that a ‘big Costco’ recently and they were like what? Don’t you want us to bag them? And suggested I put it all on the conveyor.
We really need a code of etiquette for them, though. Trip to the store this morning, and they were down to 3 self-check stations from usual 10 with literally a dozen people in line. Including one couple with a cart full of a week’s groceries and one lady trying to win coupon roulette. Four other people cycled through the third scanner while those two piddled away the day.
Here in Denmark, it’s becoming more and more common to be able to scan your items with your own phone using the store’s app while you go through the store, and you can bag everything straight from the shelves.
You then pay by credit card, also with your phone, scan a QR at a designated exit, and you’re good to go.
They have random checks, but they’ve only been about 1/20 for me.
I used this as a pilot program in Pittsburgh when I lived there. It was a hand scanner running some sort of Android based OS but largely the same thing. You scan your store card to unlock a scanner, scan your stuff as you walk through the store putting things in bags, then you walk to a kiosk, pay, then walk out.
I used to get so many dirty looks from people who thought I was stealing a whole cart of groceries until they saw the receipt print out.
Doing it directly via an app would have been even better!
Yeah I’ve done self-checkout a lot when picking up five or six items, and it works fine. Having done it for a f’real grocery run at a Wal-Mart once…if it had one of those conveyor belts where you could put all your items, then let you check out, bag and put in your cart, it would work. But you end up with a cart half full of unscanned things and half full of bags.
Now I don’t know about American cashiers but over here they’re faster, waiting in line is generally faster, unless you’re literally only buying three items. It’s just better optimised overall: Waiting time is often cut to practically zero because you’re arranging items on the belt while you’re technically waiting, they’re faster ringing up, and while they’re doing that you can already pack so the second they’re done you can pay and fuck off.
My neighbourhood supermarket has three self-checkouts, most of the time noone is using them because the one open register is always faster. In peak times they open a second one you might, in principle, find a window between that and the line of the first one becoming longer where self-checkout is faster, but I won’t even consider it with a full backpack of shopping. Peak times directly before a weekend, or worse holidays are where the self-checkouts actually see use, as in you might even see someone waiting for one to be free.
Also you can’t self-checkout best-before rebate stickers so there’s that.
Giant Eagle stores in Pittsburgh have self checkouts connected to a full size conveyor belt. Kinda like a normal cashier, but the belt is after the scanner kiosk, not before it. That way you could scan a ton of stuff and have it move out of the way on it’s own.
The rest of that company did dumb stuff, but the scanners were smart!
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