Telegram

ilumium,
@ilumium@eupolicy.social avatar

#Telegram likely soon to be designated as #VLOP under the #DSA, according to Bloomberg. EU Commission in direct talks with company about how to count number of monthly active users.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-28/eu-explores-whether-telegram-falls-under-strict-new-content-law

1br0wn,
@1br0wn@eupolicy.social avatar

@ilumium Latest market capitalisation figure I can quickly find is from 2022 (cited in 2023): $30bn. So not yet big enough for DMA

exiltoaster, German
@exiltoaster@mstdn.social avatar

Erste die Medien berichten von einer drohenden Hochwassergefahr am Wochenende.

Erster Kommentar dazu in der Desinformationszentrale #Telegram: „ früher hat es auch schon viel geregnet“ und „die CO2-Gläubigen drehen schon wieder durch“

rvps2001,
@rvps2001@mastodon.social avatar

🇷🇺 #Telegram has become a key weapon for pro-Kremlin accounts to spread disinformation aimed at undermining support for #Ukraine

More recently, Russian intelligence officers have used it to recruit petty criminals to carry out acts of sabotage across European capitals.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-28/telegram-pro-russian-groups-spread-disinformation-and-eu-is-powerless

Archive: https://archive.is/XAvDa

#russia #propaganda

rysiek, (edited ) Polish
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

Czy jest bezpieczny?
(nie, nie jest)
https://oko.press/komunikator-telegram-bezpieczenstwo

> Na stronie internetowej komunikatora znajdziemy informację, że „wiadomości są silnie szyfrowane”. Podobnie Telegram promuje się m.in. w mediach społecznościowych.

> To mocno sugeruje, że wiadomości wymieniane za pomocą tego komunikatora są dostępne tylko dla ich nadawców i odbiorców – i że nikt poza nimi nie może odczytać. Takie szyfrowanie nazywane jest „end-to-end”.

> W kontekście Telegrama jest to jednak mylące.

1/🧵

rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

> Dla rozmów komunikator ten ma dwa tryby. Domyślnie wiadomości szyfrowane są między naszym urządzeniem a serwerami Telegrama. Firma nazywa to „czatami w chmurze”. Wysyłane przez nas wiadomości są szyfrowane, ale tylko między nami a infrastrukturą komunikatora, po czym między tą infrastrukturą a odbiorcą wiadomości. Podobnie wiadomości, które odbieramy.

> To zdecydowanie nie jest szyfrowanie end-to-end.

> Operator usługi ma pełny dostęp do treści naszych rozmów wykorzystujących ten tryb.

2/🧵

rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

Jest też wiele innych problemów z Telegramem.

Wbrew obietnicom na swojej stronie internetowej, spółka wydaje się współpracować ze służbami i dostarczać dane osób korzystających z tego komunikatora na polecenie sądów.

A jego protokół zaprojektowany jest tak, że umożliwia dokładne śledzenie osób z niego korzystających poprzez obserwację sieci. Z czego, najwyraźniej, korzystały rosyjskie służby w okupowanym Chersoniu.

Więcej w tekście.

6/🧵/koniec

rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

Telegram in 2020[1]:

> Q. Will you have ads?
> No.

Telegram in 2024[2]:

> Q. Will you have ads in my private chats and groups?
> No.

…but also:

> In 2021, Telegram launched Sponsored Messages – minimalist, privacy-conscious advertisements that can appear in certain public channels.

Hey, but at least they still promise not to sell your data, so that's fine. I'm sure they would never go back on this one. 🤡

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20200229080907/https://telegram.org/faq#q-how-are-you-going-to-make-money-out-of-this

[2] https://telegram.org/faq?setln=en#q-how-are-you-going-to-make-money-out-of-this

#Telegram

rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

Telegram[1]:

> Important: after decryption, the receiver must check that msg_key = SHA-256(fragment of the secret key + decrypted data)

Moxie[2]:

> In order to verify the MAC, the recipient first has to decrypt the message, since the MAC is part of the encrypted payload. Many protocol designers (including the designers of SSL) did not see this as a problem, however, and so decided to test the inevitability of doom.

[1] https://core.telegram.org/techfaq#q-how-does-end-to-end-encryption-work-in-mtproto

[2] https://moxie.org/2011/12/13/the-cryptographic-doom-principle.html

#Telegram

rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar
rek2,
@rek2@hispagatos.space avatar

fuck #telegram why people think is secure? beats me, but here watch minute 7:16 https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=pjseaH7eX44 and STOP using telegram and whatsup!! :D use matrix or at least signal if your friends need something easy to use but matrix is the way.

phryk,
@phryk@mastodon.social avatar
ncoca,
@ncoca@social.coop avatar

So...apparently it's time to quit & ? Soon I'm basically going to be just here and on .

frog_reborn,
@frog_reborn@mstdn.social avatar

@ncoca

Matrix is cool, too.

ncoca,
@ncoca@social.coop avatar

@frog_reborn @chunshek I wish I could get some groups I'm part of to switch over to Matrix or Mattermost from Telegram or Slack.

mez,
@mez@mastodon.nz avatar

I have telegram because it was really easy to set up a bot and a bash script to send messages to it-basically my own little notifications app. But it’s also the only thing I use telegram for. What’s a good alternative? Free and open source preferred. Self hosting as well

#telegram #FOSS #SelfHosting

chebra,
@chebra@mstdn.io avatar

@mez Matrix account is even easier to get (no phone number needed) and just as easy to write a bot - I'm just writing a bash script doing a little magic that my client app failed to do. And it can be completely self-hosted, including the push notification server (gotify or ntfy)

mez,
@mez@mastodon.nz avatar

@chebra Does this mean hosting an entire Matrix setup? I’ve been curious if something like Matrix would work, but don’t understand the system well enough.

kuketzblog, German
@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de avatar

Der Messenger ist für eine sichere Kommunikation nicht geeignet - standardmäßig sind die Nachrichten nicht einmal Ende-zu-Ende verschlüsselt. Besser geeignet sind oder . Übrigens: Elon Musk ist das Paradebeispiel eines Trolls. Einfach ignorieren. 😉

Wer eine Entscheidungshilfe für einen Messenger sucht: https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix.html

kuketzblog,
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kubikpixel,
@kubikpixel@chaos.social avatar

@kuketzblog @Nake ja sehe ich auch so aber des weiteren ist dieser alte englische Artikel noch aufschlussreich was Telegram und deren Sicherheit angeht:

👉 https://words.filippo.io/dispatches/telegram-ecdh/

blindcoder, German
@blindcoder@toot.berlin avatar

Mein Favorit ist ja immer noch Conversations, habe aber nebenbei immer noch Telegram benutzt. Warum? Es ist in FDroid erhaeltlich, Signal nicht.

Wenn Elon Musk jetzt gegen Signal hetzt und Telegram favorisiert, sollte ich doch mal Signal installieren.

#Conversations #Telegram #Signal #ElonMusk

Xiong_Shui,
@Xiong_Shui@toot.berlin avatar

@blindcoder
Wir nutzen seit längerem #Session, Ende zu Ende verschlüsselt, leicht zu installieren und zuverlässig...
@kuketzblog

kuketzblog,
@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de avatar

@Xiong_Shui @blindcoder Session ist ein Fork von Signal, der dazu auch noch das Verschlüsselungsprotokoll abschwächt und unter anderem Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) entfernt hat.

osma,
@osma@mas.to avatar

, May 8 assessment: "Reports indicate that there is an available open-source tool that allows people to search by specific coordinates for Telegram users who have enabled a certain location-sharing setting."

But of course there is. The russian-engineering, roll-your-own-crypto, cryptocoin-shilling, encrypted-but-not-encrypted messaging app to have a zero-day exploited privacy flaw exposing users' location? I can't imagine where such failures would come from.

miki,
@miki@dragonscave.space avatar

@osma Why is this news? Of course a "find people nearby" feature lets you find people nearby, and it should be obvious to anybody with even a passing knowledge of cybersecurity that it's impossible for any app to protect itself against malicious users spoofing their location. If you're on Android, you don't even need a special tool for that, there's a way to set a gps-spoofing app right in developer settings.

osma,
@osma@mas.to avatar

Apparently some people are confused about a purportedly secure, private messenger having not just a location sharing capability, but one implemented so badly that it allows a malicious actor to triangulate another user's exact location without permission, an entirely avoidable incident. That's what I call roll-your-own russian engineering. So badly done, it's hard to prove whether it was malicious or just stupid.

gunther,
@gunther@fosstodon.org avatar

#Telegram is a fine alternative to something like #Discord, it's a terrible alternative to something like #Signal

governa,
@governa@fosstodon.org avatar

@gunther spot on.

4eb88310d6b4ed95c6d66a395b3d3cf559b85faec8f7691dafd405a92e055d6d,
@4eb88310d6b4ed95c6d66a395b3d3cf559b85faec8f7691dafd405a92e055d6d@mostr.pub avatar

Honestly have no idea why Telegram is popular with so many Plebs. There are so many reasons to not use Telegram (a centralized platform):

All the comm leaks, the false sense of security their copywriting suggests (not e2ee by default), banning users, collecting user metadata, bot access to your ID and metadata, storing your data on 3rd party servers...using their own proprietary e2ee protocol, MTProto with a history of security flaws, the list goes on and on...

I strongly suggest avoiding it if you value your privacy and security.

#cybersecgirl #telegram

598e1ab9fd57ade0a7fe0d6f47c2f3b9557191f670587b9b51262203c591453c,
@598e1ab9fd57ade0a7fe0d6f47c2f3b9557191f670587b9b51262203c591453c@mostr.pub avatar

I posted something similar before and got everyone all bent out of shape. Telegram is ok for casual conversations but it's def not secure.

insiderua, Ukrainian
@insiderua@social.kyiv.dcomm.net.ua avatar

Телеграм, шкарпетки з сандалями, джин-тонік, сємєчкі на зупинці громадського транспорту – такий у мене асоціативний ряд

#telegram

qugalet,
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@insiderua Вінниця - райський клаптик землі

insiderua,
@insiderua@social.kyiv.dcomm.net.ua avatar

@qugalet мені побільше корзінок, будь ласка

nikita, German
@nikita@social.tchncs.de avatar

-Gründer: Apple u. Google könnten alles zensieren

Im Interview mit Tucker Carlson erzählt der Telegram-Gründer, wie es zur App gekommen ist und wo er die Gefahren für die sieht.


https://www.20min.ch/103096287

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