Somewhere between 1945 and now, Germany and the US decided to slowly trade places.
and I want to trade back
Jokes aside, congrats on the progressive legislation!
Edit: No, I don’t mean I wish the US to return to 1945.🙄 I’m simply saying Germany has continued to become more socially progressive while the US has been struggling with authoritarianism.
No one switched places. The US was really racist, misogynist, and homophobic in 1945. In recent years Germany has become more liberal and accepting than the US.
I think some people may be concerned about my lack of post history. I swear I’m a lemmy lurker for 8 months now, but I saw this girl that could use help, and you guys are the best people I could think of to share it to. She hasn’t even shared this gofundme with me, I happened across it on a Twitter post and saw it didn’t have any activity.
Mercury Stardust (Trans-Handy m’am on youtube) is hosting a live charity stream Mar 29-31 for this exact cause.
I recommend donations go through her and all needs directed the same. I say this as a trans refugee who’s been homeless for 6months. I get where this person is at, but direct aid is not always the best thing, especially for someone still under a disapproving roof.
@KillingAndKindess@Kjev hello am Jordan Zeus a trans man living in South Sudan as a refugee an I kindly need help my house was damaged by the harsh weather and I now sleep outside here in the refugee camp and I also lack good and I can’t afford hospital bills , Sudan is a war country and me as a transgender person I go through alot I have been arrested many times cause of my sexuality am so much traumatized
Just wanted to let you know that government hospitals have schemes for free MTF surgery. I think that your friend is probably apprehensive about the quality of treatment, which is understandable. In that case, they should check out hospitals in nearby tier 2 and 3 cities.
Well, for good or ill, kids are treated differently because they don’t have the full ability to give meaningful consent. That includes a lot more than medical issues, but it includes medical issues.
With that standard in place, and it should be, there’s no reason someone being trans should be treated any different than any other major procedures/treatments.
Now, that’s absolutely only as regards medical issues. And “puberty blockers” are a necessary exception since the dangers of that not being available far outweigh any minor risks from the medication. Any changes that aren’t medical other than that are between the kid, their parents, and their doctors as consultants. The rest of us have no business interfering in that.
Unpopular opinion ahead. I would like to see the person emerge from the child into a personality prior to allowing chemical intoxicants or gender rectification or anything unnatural to the maturation of the child into a person.
Then whatever the fuck they want to do is completely up to them.
Puberty blockers exist to give the option to change more time before puberty does significant alterations to a person.
Essentially, it buys time for younger trans people to be certain of their choices and minimize the (already remote) possibility of de-transitioning being needed.
There is also no evidence of any significant negative side-effects from the treatment.
That in itself doesn’t say what your position in any particular treatment is. A lot of people want to say any medical intervention requires informed consent, as if whatever happens without medical intervention is always fine and doesn’t require consent. Clearly nobody believes that, though, or pediatric medicine as a whole would be illegal.
What really bothers me is when people demand a higher level of informed consent for gender-affirming care then they do for other medical interventions. That, to me, says their issue is but actually consent, but rather that they have an issue with trans people that they think justifies interfering with strangers’ medical care. I, on the other hand, take a hard line that medical decisions should never be made by politicians, and banning a particular kind of care is absolutely a medical decision that contracts medical best practices.
I’m feeling a little divided here. On one hand I definitely don’t look at trans people like there’s something wrong with them, or that there’s some sort of mental illness involved. But I also don’t know how I feel about giving hormone therapy to someone who’s not considered an adult. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but certain hormone therapy treatments can cause permanent effects on the body, that if the individual who received it were to for some reason decide the therapy was a mistake, are unreversable. It feels like we have to find that fine line between not infringing on people’s rights to be themselves, but also not let children make life altering decisions with reckless abandon.
It sounds simple on the surface, but I struggle with weighing the risk of prescribing gender-affirming care to someone who will regret it later in life and forcing someone to endure puberty that they will regret later in life. A strong case can be made that some kids will identify as transgender due to childhood trauma or neurodivergence. It’s also undeniable that there are hundreds of thousands of people who regret going through puberty that doesn’t match their gender. I’d be curious to see statistical data about these groups to truly measure the risks on either side. There’s also an interesting study of neuroanatomy in trans women showing strong similarities to cisgender women. I wonder if this data can be used to help mitigate the potential risks of gender-affirming care?
they are reversable, and give time for trans kids to sort out any hesitancy towards transition without going through either puberty. so many people think that the idea lf puberty blockers is to give kids e/t when its just to give ghe kids time to discover themselves
they can, but arent exclusive to gender affirming care. in most cases, kids arent getting hormone therapy, theyre getting blockers until they get older
im in the same boat in that case, i just am so hesitant on laws being made. in the wrong hands they will be made to prevent any care (puberty blockers) when its a tiny subset of kids getting hrt in the first place
i just dont want anyone to have to go through the wrong puberty like i did, its awful
So question, if in a hypothetical situation someone was on puberty blockers until they were 21, what would happen with their body once they go off them?
I did, and I find myself largely in agreement with the author. I was citing the article and a linked source when I talked about the rare case of people who regretted transitioning. Was there a specific claim I made that the article refuted? Maybe I missed something?
Giving every single cis and trans child puberty blockers seems kinda unethical, also what about people who are never self-sufficient? Do they just not get to go through puberty? Isn’t that dangerous?
Cis people love to do polemics about “what if they end up going through the wrong puberty!!!” ignoring that this is literally what you’re forcing trans kids to go through
It’s also pretty condescending to assume that the community hasn’t already spent way more time thinking about how to deal with such a complex problem that effects them so much.
It’s always best to ask questions first before jumping to conclusions.
Defining mental illness is tricky. Typically one important feature of mental illness is personal distress. Given that lots of trans people seem to be distressed about their gender identity, or the sex of their bodies, I don’t see why it’s incorrect to call that distress mental illness. It seems like the problem here is the stigmatization of mental illness in general. Even if being trans was a symptom of mental illness, this doesn’t mean the best way to treat someone who’s trans isn’t gender affirming-care.
That’s why the first thing they’re given are puberty blockers to give them more time to make such an incredibly important decision. If the permanent effects of being given hormones for the wrong sex is so damaging and severe, it goes both ways. The permanent effects of doing nothing and becoming the wrong gender is just as bad as if you made a mistake and we’re given the wrong hormones.
I think the policy of delaying it is the right choice. That gives more time to provide mental health treatment and provide as much assurance that they’re making the right choice to live their lives in the body they feel most comfortable in. I assure you, everyone is acutely aware of the repercussions and permanence of making the wrong decision which is why time is prioritized over providing hormone treatment early.
Conservatives trying to ban all trans care including puberty blockers, and taking away that time I view as equally as bad as forcing a child to take the wrong hormone drugs.
No offense, but you should ask these questions first before assuming that the community that is so affected by these problems and have spent a ton of time thinking about it and considering options hasn’t already explored the problem in detail already. Your concerns are valid, but you should ask how these problems are being dealt with instead of assuming they aren’t being dealt with.
@A_Toasty_Strudel@gAlienLifeform recent study shows that only %1 percent of trans youth detransition and not all of them are detransitioning because they made a mistake. Even between these people who detransition, they are still happy that they got to try and transition. There are lots of studies backing up starting transition early. If I was able to I would have started before going through the wrong puberty and the changes puberty makes are irreversible. Being a trans is not a mental health, they treated it as mental health and didn't help at all. Why so much stigma around transitioning when the satisfaction for this treatment is one of the highest in any kind of medical procedure?
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