BrooklynMan,
@BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

How people can choose hate and fear as a form of self-righteousness is the peak of narcissistic self-delusion. There's nothing noble about being a bigot. There's no honor in persecuting innocent people simply for existing. And it's the epitome of cowardice to try to destroy that which you do not understand. These people live in a state of perpetual terror and outrage with regard to the world around them, yet they arrogantly presume to tell everyone else how to live? How dare they.

Otome-chan,
Otome-chan avatar

the entire transgender movement is filled with bigots though. most are super transphobic.

smokinjoe,
smokinjoe avatar

What the fuck does that even mean??

Xylia,

Now I’ve seen you share a lot of bad takes since I joined this site, but that there is the worst. What a crock of shit.

justinalanbass,

The trolls are here, hold the line men!

slicedcheesegremlin,
slicedcheesegremlin avatar

my mans got obliterated by the downvote railgun

Otome-chan,
Otome-chan avatar

doesn't make me wrong though lol. people are just mad because I happened to disagree with their intolerant religion. The reality is that people who advocate for transgender stuff adamantly deny that transsexuals like myself exist.

slicedcheesegremlin,
slicedcheesegremlin avatar

Oh geez it was you who posted that. Now I understand what you meant, but your comment came across as a 4channer troll arguing in bad faith. People are really sensitive about that stuff rn because politicians are literally pushing to have them executed for existing in public.

Otome-chan,
Otome-chan avatar

lol no they aren't.

HopeOfTheGunblade,
HopeOfTheGunblade avatar

They... really are, Otome. If you pay attention to what's going on in Florida, where they're trying to make peeing in a bathroom that a child happens to walk into a sex crime against a child, and sex crimes punishable by death by an 8 person majority of the jury.

We might disagree on the ontology of gender variance, and we can have that debate, but they want everyone who doesn't fit in their black and white, either or boxes, and that includes you as surely as it do me.

Saying, "I'm not transgender, I'm transsexual!" will not save you. Nor will Blaire White's pick-me videos. There is no way to appease them beyond being cishet all your days, and you aren't. I wish that it was safe for you to go on believing that, but it's not, and I really don't want you to be hurt.

Snowpix,
@Snowpix@yiffit.net avatar

Words mean nothing to fascists, they want you dead regardless if you're not considered to be one of them. Anyone who is "different" or an "other" is a target for those fucks.

Otome-chan,
Otome-chan avatar

Sorry but the fearmongers over this stuff lost me when they lied about the "don't say gay" bill. GOP rightfully is pushing back against the insanity from the transgender movement.

Ultimately trans rights are being trampled on by the democrats, and then pushback from GOP is sometimes attacking actual transsexuals. And all of the blame is squarely on the transgender movement and the democrat party as a whole.

Guess what? once you stop pushing pedo shit, and stop trying to force your ideology onto everyone else, trans people have plenty of acceptance from everyone.

hihusio,
hihusio avatar

pedo shit and ideology eh? you're head is full of garbage if think trans people are ideological pedophiles.

Otome-chan,
Otome-chan avatar

trans people aren't. this lgbtqia/transgender push onto children is.

hihusio,
hihusio avatar

bullshit. prove your claim or stfu

Otome-chan,
Otome-chan avatar

what other reason do you have to pressure a child to talk about sexuality other than being a pedophile? why so eager to push this stuff onto kids?

HopeOfTheGunblade,
HopeOfTheGunblade avatar

Man I fuckin wish I'd had professional materials taught to me and all of my classmates that gave us all an understanding that people can be different in these ways and they aren't lesser humans nor in need of being beaten into shape. Maybe if my generation had had it, you'd be able to hear "queer" as something other than a slur, a community you could recognize your right to be proud of all the shit we'd gone through. I'm sorrowful people hurt you, Otome, but that's no reason to listen to people who want to manipulate you into an angry person who's taken leave of reality.

Otome-chan,
Otome-chan avatar

I know basically every idiot shouting "trans rights" doesn't actually care about trans rights. If they did, cyproterone acetate would've been legalized years ago. so don't give me sob stories.

HopeOfTheGunblade,
HopeOfTheGunblade avatar

That... is not reasonable to expect most people to have any understanding of.

Otome-chan,
Otome-chan avatar

if you care that much to the point where you're trying to push it onto kids, the least you could do is understand basic medical treatments for the condition.

HopeOfTheGunblade,
HopeOfTheGunblade avatar

Nobody is "trying to push it onto kids". People are, in sex ed classes, teaching kids about a variation of humanity. Would you say that taking kids to the zoo is pushing beastiality on them? Because that's the level of word misuse this claim is at.

RustledTeapot,
RustledTeapot avatar

Sex ed is the most effective way to prevent children from being sexually abused.

Telling kids that gender is different from sex isn't talking to them about sexuality.

Transness isn't a sexuality.

Giving trans kids the resources they need to understand what's going on with them is often necessary to save their lives.

But some people prefer dead kids to trans kids.

Otome-chan,
Otome-chan avatar

it's curious that you push this rather than the much more urgent and universally agreed upon issue of legalizing cyproterone acetate, a needed medication. pretty obvious your intent isn't to help trans people. so it must be something else.

RustledTeapot,
RustledTeapot avatar

It's curious that the political side you support is actively working to ban all forms of HRT.

Otome-chan,
Otome-chan avatar

The "political side I support" doesn't have a party or representative.

mya,
mya avatar

my sis in christ have you seen trans people outside of 4chan

RustledTeapot,
RustledTeapot avatar

You just have to go off like this.

You're like one of those dogs trained to bark at black people.

It honestly makes me sad.

Banana,

...wat?

Cyder,

I couldn't agree more. Your statement is so pointed that I'm going to save it to refer to in the future.

PeterPoopshit,

No one spends more time thinking about other people’s genitals than Christians do.

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yes, but what about all those poor politicians who need to pander to their deeply misinformed base? Won't someone think of the politicians!?

foxtrots,

This is a bit blown out of proportion. Most collages in America are overwhelmingly supportive of trans people were it iseven a plus to put on a collage app. During pride month we saw monolitic neoliberal war profiteering & planet destroying corporations like Raythion, P&G, Halliburton, Amazon, J&J, etc.. all have over welming support for trans/pride issues.

At some point when you -got through your ivy league college because you said you were trans on the app -get told by the president that he supports trans rights -come home and can find and a plethora queer media -get a job at Halliburton because they want to hire more trans people then spend your days making weapons help bomb wedding in 3rd world countries.

You have to come to the realization that you are not part of a "resistance" anymore.

Yes there's still some lingering issues in some red states and the more people take this overtly victim mentality the worse the pushback will become. It's gotten to the point now we're there is ever become a large rift between the gay/lesbian community and the trans community because of narratives like this.

sweeny,

You've been sniffing too much glue from those "collages" of yours if you think trans people aren't still widely discriminated. It is literally illegal to transition in some states

zombuey,

I don't think it is. For example Vanderbilt is overwhelming "supportive" on campus but they were also forced to hand over medical records of transgendered patients for an "investigation" into insurance fraud by the state. Transgendered people do not have the same rights and others and people who actively hate them for no reason at all are doing everything they can to make their lives miserable. Republicans love this because it energizes their base and drives progressive voters out of their districts.

foxtrots,

Colleges are hands down the most inclusive and overtly supportive places of the trans people. yes there is pushback by red states but that is far from the norm. "people who actively hate them for no reason at all" hate is an easy pejorative and untrue statement to disregard peoples opinion. Most disagreeing people see trans people much like how most people see furies. They don't agree with it personally but they respect there right to do what they want. they think its not entirely right that some one should come dressed in a full furry outfit to work. They dont think its right that there kids kinder garden teacher should be explaining the life of furies and yifing to my kids and that they need to decide if they are actually human or not. I dont mind my kids learning about that stuff when there in there teens and hell i wouldn't even mind if they grew up to be a furry if its what made them happy. we just wouldnt want it overly presented to them as a kid.

zombuey,

Hi in my opinion you can go fuck yourself and you shouldn't even exist if this is the way you are.

foxtrots,

Telling people to “go fuck themselves” as a negative is very hurtful to the asexual community and other people who express self love.

Your obviously just a right wing nazi trying to troll so just go back to 4 chan if your gonna spend hate and tell people to stop “existing”. Ovously a nazi dog whistle for violence you bigot.

zombuey,

lol ya it hurts doesn’t it? now imagine rather than your bigoted opinion making you that way you were instead born that way. You see YOU can change your opinion but these people cannot. They deal with that type of unhinged hate on a daily basis just for being who they are. You don’t want your kids to see a person in drag, Why? How is that going to affect them? They may realize people who are different are not necessarily dangerous and they won’t adopt the same horrible attitude as you? Drag book readings are meant to normalize a group of people who are the most severely persecuted for being who they are in public. They are statistically zero danger to your children. On the other hand 1/4 girls who attend church are molested. It’s such a common problem they sell insurance to religious institutions for it. You calling me a bigot is an absolute joke and shows you weren’t even intelligent enough to see the obvious point I was trying to make. Furries are nothing like trans people what a fucking joke.

www.ministryinsured.com/…/abuse-molestation/

Spacebar,
@Spacebar@lemmy.world avatar

As often happens when trans people are discussed, it appears that there are people who (willfully) mischaracterize gender affirming care for children. The standard care is therapy and social transition wayyyyyy before hormones and surgery. If a child asserts they are trans before puberty, a doctor may prescribe puberty blockers. For the most part, they are reversible. 12 year olds are not having sex reassignment surgery.

This whole anti-trans crusade is just the latest distraction Conservatives are orchestrating.

American Conservatives have made boogymen out of so many groups throughout history. Off the top of my head they have demonized:

American Revolutionists, slavery abolitionists, child labor activists, Anarchists, Women suffragates, Anti Segregationists, Interracial Marriage advocates,
Immigrationists, Members of the Civil rights movement, Environmentalists, Gays, Aids sufferers, Same sex spouses...

Trans people are just next on the list. Why? Because it gets their voters to the polls.

Faendol,

Conservatives make up shit to piss off their uneducated voter base and distract them from their corporate bullshittery.

CynAq,
CynAq avatar

Look at how many downvotes this thread received. It's mind boggling how large a portion of us, even in these seemingly progressive environments like kbin, are transphobic.

Briguy24,

Hate is easy for people already damaged. It takes courage to work on yourself. I can't tolerate how any person want to degrade a less powerful community. Just a bunch of pathetic bullies.

sugar_in_your_tea,

I think it's more that the article is a bit hyperbolic. I live in one of those 32 states that have laws on the books against trans people (and yes, I contacted my state reps to support trans rights), yet we still have a thriving trans community. Our states laws mostly restrict access to certain types of gender-affirming care to adolescents, but no such restrictions exist for adults. There are plenty of trans people and events here, and an overwhelming support for Pride Day and Pride Month activities in urban centers, so LGBT folks have a lot of community support.

I personally didn't downvote, but I considered it just because the article was a bit ridiculous. If you look at the US just 10-20 years earlier, it was way worse for LGBT people, so we're moving in the right direction, it's just two steps forward, one step back. And even if your state has laws on the books that limits access to certain types of care, that doesn't mean that trans people cannot live there, it just means the community needs to step it up so they feel comfortable.

harbinger,

I'm in a similar situation with my nonbinary kid and it terrifies me more every day.

BrooklynMan,
@BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

stay strong. your kid will see your strength and be inspired by it.

keeb420,

Even in safe states there's plenty of assholes. It's sad really. These conservative Christians really need to judge not, turn the other cheek, and love the sinner.

GraceGH,

CNY has felt pretty hostile since the 2016 election. We have so many trump flags, "dont tread on me" flags, and confederate flags that if you saw a picture you'd assume you were in florida. Don't even get me started on bumper stickers.

kaos95,
kaos95 avatar

Yeah, I'm in one of those "safe" states right now, doesn't mean the amount of bullying and straight up assault has gone down, in fact, in the small rural town I live in it's probably more dangerous to be trans than it would to be so in Miami or Houston.

Spacebar,
@Spacebar@lemmy.world avatar

In Rhode Island, my very blue state, two guys in their 30's just got banned from the local Target for trying to dismane a Pride display in the store.

They kept yelling about "children come in here" as they were being escorted out.

The extremists have gotten very bold since Trump was elected.

VoxAdActa,
VoxAdActa avatar

If they gave a fuck about kids, they'd be clamoring to outlaw shit like child beauty pageants and child marriages. They don't care about old white men grooming little girls.

stephfinitely,
stephfinitely avatar

It's disgusting how Americans treats its own citizens.

ericthered926,

I haven’t read the article yet but damn that’s a sobering title. We must do better in the US (and the world). Really frustrating that we keep falling into the same bigoted patterns rather than treating everybody as inherently worthy of bodily autonomy and respect. Batshit that people are making this out to be a states rights issue.

BrooklynMan,
@BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

Batshit that people are making this out to be a states rights issue.

like slavery? and this surprises you?

ericthered926,

No, that’s why I said we’re falling into the same bigoted patterns as before. It’s not surprising but it is absolutely batshit that we keep rinsing and repeating the same cycle :/

BrooklynMan,
@BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

sorry, my smarmy indignation wasn't aimed at you

ericthered926,

All good! Totally valid and justified

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