Obama says people need to acknowledge complexity of Israel-Palestinian conflict to move forward

Former President Barack Obama said a way forward for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is only possible if people acknowledge the “complexity” of the situation.

“If there’s any chance of us being able to act constructively to do something, it will require an admission of complexity and maintaining what on the surface may seem contradictory ideas that what Hamas did was horrific, and there’s no justification for it. And … that the occupation and what’s happening to Palestinians is unbearable,” Obama said in an interview on the podcast “Pod Save America.”

The former president’s comments come as the Israeli military focuses its offensive against Hamas in Gaza City and northern parts of the enclave.

Pons_Aelius,

Sadly, there is no way forward. The leaders of both sides want the complete elimination of the other.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

So remove the leaders of both sides.

bernieecclestoned,

Exactly, change the leader or change the leader

Reality_Suit,

It’s a never-ending organic entity. You have to keep at it The problem with the insanity analogy is that it takes a billion times to do something sometimes before even beginning to see the start of a change.

PetDinosaurs,

Ah. Yes. That’s the easy way to do it.

idunnololz,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

Take away their toys and put them in time oot.

samokosik,

And make sure they are both secular.

Reality_Suit,

Exactly. I’ve been recently thinking that maybe Israel and Palestine become a new country run by the world. It becomes a neutral globally enforced and patrolled market or exchange. Almost like a U.N. country, but somehow better because the U.N seems like a fucking joke. I’m not sure exactly what I mean here, but essentially, the world removes the two and force them to be one.

Even though it is complex, there are obvious crimes, let alone war crimes happening there. Looking at you IDF with your repeated bombing of civilians and the wounded.

ivanafterall,
ivanafterall avatar

I think you've just created a tinderbox of like...well...biblical proportions.

treefrog,

Umm… it’s already burning.

Just saying.

TokenBoomer,

This is the answer and is being downvoted with no better suggestions. If you don’t have solutions and only criticism, you’re part of the problem.

Riccosuave,
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

Another thought that I had was having international governing bodies get together and force Israel to pay for the relocation, education, housing, and UBI for every single Palestinian citizen for the remainder of their lives if they would agree to peaceful relocation to another host country. This is a much less preferable idea to the previously mentioned one, but it seemed like a potentially feasible one.

TokenBoomer,

I’d just take Israel paying for their relocation.

DreamerofDays,

Forced migration, which this would be, is a bad idea, as has been born out repeatedly through history.

  • if it’s to many countries, it splinters communities.
  • if it’s to just one country, few are open to taking even small numbers of people in, let alone five and a half million.
  • if one was open to it, none have the infrastructure in place to receive so many people.
  • people get attached to land, and the idea of it.

To that last point, that land is not interchangeable, and any assumption that it is is remaining ignorant of some of the desires of the parties involved.

I could go on, but I don’t think that would add to discourse. This is a hard problem, renewed with every moment of violence. I don’t believe we should expect any of the grievances each side has stacked up to be let go of without honouring their non-violent desires.

AlexanderESmith,
AlexanderESmith avatar

@TokenBoomer

If you think you can reduce the solution to this problem (or even a proper description of the problem itself) into a quick reply on a web forum, you're part of the problem.

Honestly, everyone I've seen weigh in on this has fucked it up, on all sides, at all times, going all the way back.

Maybe a bunch of armchair geniuses should stay out of it, unless they're willing to drop what they're doing and go over there to help. Meddling from external parties is part of how this got so fucked up (over and over and over).

Reality_Suit,

The problem is asshole leaders are being petty little brats. There is a solution, but both parties involved are being selfish assholes and the citizens end up dying and suffering. There are easy solutions to everything when you remove the angry assholes.

TokenBoomer, (edited )

While you armchair genius. No insight. No congregation of minds to develop even a strategy of a path forward. Just criticism for those who want to make the world better. Pathetic. I assume you’re commenting from Gaza because you went over there to help.

Edit: That was reactionary and uncharacteristic. Some of us want to learn from each other and try to understand the situation to build a consensus for what a solution might look like.

AlexanderESmith,
AlexanderESmith avatar

@TokenBoomer

Well done; you missed the point entirely, slung some useless mud, and figured out a way to turn it into self- praise. You should run for office.

Everyone stop what you're doing at look over here at... "TokenBoomer"... they'll get to the bottom of this, on a web forum, deep in a thread with... Hey! 5 boosts! We're almost there, I can feel it.

Like and subscribe, thoughts and prayers.

Reality_Suit,

Fuck thoughts and prayers. They have done nothing. Thoughts and prayers are tools of the usless and inept.

AlexanderESmith,
AlexanderESmith avatar

@Reality_Suit

I agree, I was being sardonic/sarcastic :p

Reality_Suit,

Sorry, it wasn’t directed at you, just a response to thoughts and prayers. I didn’t intend for it to sound harsh at you.

TokenBoomer, (edited )

I understood your point. I just don’t agree with it. This is a social space. We can only learn by participation. My statement could have been phrased better. But I still agree with the sentiment. I’m no one special and have no misconceptions about solving the world’s problems. But I do have opinions, and enjoy learning from other’s perspectives.

The greatest danger to our future is apathy.

Jane Goodall

Reality_Suit,

A child knows right from wrong until they are corrupted by an adult. The answer is easy. The evil ones who benefit are making it hard.

DreamerofDays,

Criticism, constructively made, helps avoid bad ideas, and makes good ones better. But you don’t always know the better way when you see a bad one— I don’t need to know how to build a boat to know a screen door won’t float.

Part of the problem is one side having a desire for autonomy, and limited, at best sense of self-determination. Robbing them and the state they have grievance with of both their autonomies and capacities for self-determination doesn’t seem like a good answer to the problems they both have.

TokenBoomer,

I agree. But downvotes to a legitimate solution without criticism or suggestions is pointless and contributes nothing to the discussion. I don’t care if you even suggest nuking the entire area. Just own it and defend your opinion.

DreamerofDays,

Eh… I think I might care about somebody suggesting nuking the entire area. Not all ideas are created equal, and not all ideas are worth expressing.

TokenBoomer,

I agree that not all ideas are equal, but disagree about their expression. Discourse and communication is the only way we learn and become better people. If I’m wrong, which happens too often, I want someone to be able to explain why. I’d rather the racists hurl slurs, so they can exposed and taught, then to stay silent and never be confronted.

DreamerofDays,

I think the answer lies in between our statements, as absolutes have an absolutely thin margin for accuracy.

Intrusive thoughts are a thing, and they introduce thoughts of violence in pacifists, and racism in the tolerant. We don’t get these ideas because we want them or believe in them, and, from my perspective, giving them voice grants them power or legitimacy they never would have had otherwise.

But this could be an exception to your position sitting in a cutout you assumed in the expression of it.

Reality_Suit,

No, we absolutely do not nuke the area. That’s what Buttholeyahu wants to do. You know the corrupt leader of Israel. What about America, yeah there’s a shitload of corruption here too and it’s still wrong.

Reality_Suit,

That’s why you remove all the sides. Corporations already act without boundaries. They actually benefit from country boundaries ie: manufactured in China for cheap and sold in America for massive profit. Corporate interest is what is against no country boundries.

Uvine_Umbra,

The UN is a pull organization. It has to request forces & money for operations. No nation or nation collective in their right mind would want to shell out the billions required to basically occupy the region, even with Jerusalem.

Reality_Suit,

Make it a global trade hub. All nations will have an interest. With global trade comes investment, and the next thing you know, this small patch of the earth is the most valuable piece on it.

Vespair,

This is almost an appealing idea in a parallel universe where religion doesn’t exist, but unfortunately that’s not the one we live in. This conflict is one that extends to nearly every avenue, but at it’s core, it’s a religious one. Unless we’re ready as a global community to finally denounce religion and call the practice of it a silly and fruitless endeavor, which to be clear, we aren’t, then we’re never going to get anywhere pretending we can ignore the religious aspect of it. And that includes your utopian suggestion, which aside from all of its other very real problems would also likely enrage an enormous religious segment of the world who would see some of their holiest lands reduced to mere merchants dens. Even if you perhaps try to protect the religious sites, now you’re effectively enforcing a concept of religious sanctity on the global community, which is no less likely to offend.

Your idea is well-intended and nice to think about, but unfortunately unrealistic for many reasons, starting on the ground floor with problem of religion.

Reality_Suit,

Yes, that’s why we don’t stop trying. I might not make a difference, but maybe the next generation or the next after that. The point is I’m not going to stop trying. There is no answer that everyone is going to like, but there is an answer that will help everyone. I mean Israel IS man made.

Uvine_Umbra,

So make a place a global trade hub in theory can be as simple as saying it is so and watching every country trade there, only in one’s imagination.

So now the region is going to be made into a great Singapore for the Mediterranean using billions of dollars of tax money from nations including Egypt, Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, etc?

That’s not a global trade hub. That’s a globally subsidized tax haven. Whose long-term stability Congress from the whim of nations like the USA, China, Russia, the EU, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc…

With that, it would be infinitely easier and more attractive for any nearby nation to create a special economic area to handle regional trade & take the jobs, and the best part? This would be funded by the respective nation itself.

Reality_Suit,

The way you describe it is a tax haven. Make it not so.

donuts,
donuts avatar

Unfortunately Hamas hasn't held a single election since they were elected in 2006, and Netanyahu is looking similarly autocratic. The recent escalation is only going to make both sides more antagonistic.

In other words, this shit ain't going away any time soon.

parascent,

Why should hamas keep down their arms when they see what is happening in disarmed Westbank?

jimbo,

Do you think an armed Westbank would fair any better?

parascent,

Yes. If Arabs had helped they’d have their own state by now. But the monarchies helped suppress and kill Palestinian state hood because they are afraid of what the Levant Arab mindset represents. They are afraid of both islamist and secular Levant arab politics because they represent unity beyond borders.

roboticide,
  1. Unarmed protest is always an option. It’s a harder option, but it is an option.
  2. Hamas could keep their weapons, and target actual military targets in Gaza.
  3. Israel already withdrew from Gaza in '06, but Hamas is happy to launch rockets at civilian targets in Israel.
  4. Hamas could launch rockets at civilian targets in Israel from non-civilian locations in Gaza, instead of using schools and hospitals.

Hamas has consistently picked the most hostile options because Hamas doesn’t just want a free Palestine, Hamas wants the destruction of Israel and rejects any territory existing as an Israeli state. Gaza isn’t even fully isolated by Israel, but Egypt wants nothing to do with Hamas either.

I’m not even saying armed resistance is wrong, but what Hamas does is. And yes, Israel’s government is also just as wrong, if not more so.

parascent,

You must be new to the world then.

  1. Unarmed protests are not an option as evidenced by the great march of return in Gaza. Israhell knee capped Palestinians with bullets.
  2. How exactly? Are you providing them with precision weapons. Also Hezbolla is exclusively targeting military and Israhell killed Lebanese civilians. Hezbolla responded by promising to kill 1 Israeli civilian for every Lebanese civilian killed by Israel. Also you might not be familiar with Dahiya doctrine of Israel.
  3. Gaza does not exist in a vacuum. Gaza and hamas can see the occupation and annexation of the Westbank. They can see the desecration of Aqsa.
  4. You are pretending everything Israel says is true even though you know they lie all the time.

Why shouldn’t Hamas continue armed resistance? Westbank is the living example of what happens when resistance dwindles. Israhell takes all. Simple.

MataVatnik,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

And we can stop giving them money unless they start playing nice.

SolarNialamide,

It’s not the government who is settling the West Bank. Yes, it is their policy, but it’s regular Israeli citizens who are killing Palestinians, burning their homes down or taking their homes from them and driving them away.

roboticide,

I mean, the government is incentivizing it and enabling it.

Settlers wouldn’t settle the West Bank if the Israeli military wasn’t protecting them. The government is absolutely the problem.

Go try and take someone’s home by force. It won’t go well. But it will go a lot better when it’s sanctioned by an overwhelming military force.

And in turn, Western governments are enabling the Israeli government. If the West sanctioned Israel as hard as they sanctioned Iran or Russia, they’d probably think twice about annexing the West Bank. But instead of sanctions they get weapons.

parascent,

Lol not true. Palestine disarmed in the Westbank and got nothing except brutal apartheid and evictions as a result.

nutsack,

enact a european style democratic state with no official religious affiliation. problem solved. jews and muslims don’t actually hate each other. they live side by side all the time.

Illuminostro,

Ok, it’s get real time: the ONLY reason the US supports Israel is because it’s a staging area if shit kicks off in the middle east. That’s it. The “Jesus” stuff if just an excuse to appease the zealots. And my opinion isn’t anti-Semitism. It’s anti-genocide.

ParsnipWitch,

Seriously, you Americans had one great president. He also seems plenty young (when compared to other presidents) enough to be one again. Can’t you elect him again or something? He needs more time as boss to do his thing.

MrPenguinSky,

Sadly, no. If he could run an unlimited amount, then we might have another king like it’s 1776 all over again!

He was a pretty good president, but it’s probably for the best that there’s a 2 term limit.

DreBeast,

It feels like Israel uses its own population as a buffer between the IDF and hamas. That and the sheer audacity to have a concert right next to Gaza was a recipe for disaster that Israel took advantage of for its own ambitions. It’s certainly short sighted to think Israel and the US can get rid of hamas. The US should have learned this lesson in Iraq when they created a vacuum after they removed sadam. Palestine definitely has the world’s favor right now and hamas would be smart to play on that

JasSmith,

That and the sheer audacity to have a concert right next to Gaza was a recipe for disaster that Israel took advantage of for its own ambitions.

It’s not like the Israeli government intentionally set up a music festival next door to Hamas to get participants killed. Your implication is incredibly nefarious. This was a privately run festival full of people who were advocating for Palestinian rights, set up more than 3km away from the border. How much of a buffer zone between Gaza and Israel are you suggesting there should be? 5km? 10km? For context, the width of Gaza is as narrow as 4.5km.

DreBeast,

You’re right. What an unpredictable reaction by Hamas. They really went too far that time. How could they not appreciate what those concert goers were doing for them?! They really were about to turn a corner towards peace. Israel was 🤏🏿 from lifting the apartheid but forget it now! All that work out the window coz of what Hamas did October 7. Sorry Palestine, you really messed up this time.

Thank you kind stranger for sparing some wisdom and making me see the light. Ahh thanka youuu

stella,

Probably one of the most complex issues that I don’t see being brought up is Gaza’s culture built around Sharia law.

Yeah, there are plenty of innocent people are children suffering. This still doesn’t mean that if Gazans had there way, Israel would be a better place.

That said, the US should end all aid to Israel and let them fund their own genocide. They can afford it. They have a fucking intel fab for fuck’s sake.

cogman,

This feels a bit like saying “you know, the trail of tears was bad, but we don’t bring up the complex issues of Cherokee slavery”.

Sharia law isn’t a monolithic belief and is subject to reform. But it’s entirely a secondary consideration when you have a state committing genocide.

stella,

Yes.

Sunforged,

Do you have any understanding of the Palestinian history? Isreal funded religious extremism in order to opposed the leftist secularist political organizing within Gaza.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)

satan,

Do you have any understanding of the Palestinian history?

why would they? it’s not like the west has painted muslims and the middle east people as the bad guy for decadessss. From media to hollywood, middle east is a lawless hellhole and they had no hand it making it that way. like at all…

most of them probably can’t even find them in a map, but once they see a middle eastern anywhere, they know they have to instantly hate on them.

Maggoty,

It’s actually pretty easy if you stop requiring support for settler colonialism. The rest of the world left that behind 70 years ago. Israel doesn’t get to be special they can either give Palestinians voting rights (which would obliterate the idea of a Jewish state) or submit to a UN peacekeeping force between them and the Palestinians on the 1949 borders.

The only reason this is hard is because we keep bending over backwards to support their Apartheid. We know these answers. They’ve been done before.

SwampYankee,

The rest of the world left that behind 70 years ago.

lol

Maggoty,

Okay. Where else in the world is settler colonialism actively being practiced? I’d really like to know, because they need to be put on blast too.

Immersive_Matthew,

If he is talking about the complexity of the human, tribal brain, I agree.

Fedizen,

“Genocide is bad and we should halt donated weapons to countries committing genocide” - very easy policy most people will agree on.

TimewornTraveler,

but they won’t agree on what constitutes genocide

JasSmith,

“We should halt all aid to terrorists and terrorist states.” - very easy policy most people will agree on.

Tamo,

Absolutely not. Citizens can be just as much a victim of terrorist states as those they affect beyond their borders, and are just as deserving of humanitarian aid as any other civilian in an active warzone.

unreasonabro,

uh yeah. no. what people need to acknowledge is that israel shouldn’t be there and that dipshits shouldn’t use the bible to create nations. how the fuck did you think it would turn out. blood blood blood

theacharnian,
@theacharnian@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m squarely Pro-Palestinian in this conflict, but I will say it: what you’re saying is bullshit.

Israel should exist.

If not due to the fact that Jews in Palestine existed before Zionism and have a right just as much as other Palestinians to want a country.

If not due to the fact that some 60% of Israelis are Mizrahis, i.e., Arab Jews that were kicked out of virtually every other Arab country.

If not due to the fact that the Two State Solution, endorsed by basically the entire international community via the UN (resolution 242), means that …Israel should also exist.

If not due to any of those things… simply because 75 years after the founding of Israel, an Israeli nation exists. Entire generations of people have been raised with this self identity. They have the right to exist.

There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Israel exists, and the Israeli people exists as an entity not exactly the same as the Jewish people. The debate about Israel’s existence is a waste of time and it does a disservice to the Palestinian cause.

satan,

Why do people claim UN is a democratic organization and not the one for the superpowers benefits? that can veto any resolutions they don’t agree with to bully smaller countries into agreement?

Other countries just line up in positions where they get the least amount of economic or political retaliation.

Why do you think no US president or war criminal from US is tried in hague? or why Putin and Xi will live rest of their lives happily without a shred of repercussions?

These cherry picked talking points are getting old.

randon31415,

If Obama was a normal Israeli citizen and said this, he would be in jail right now for “enemy propaganda”.

And for those of you saying he would be dead after saying this in Gaza about Hamas, I think Hamas would be a bit busy to cary out that threat.

stevehobbes,

What kind of bullshit is this. Any Israeli citizen can say this and worse. Don’t be melodramatic.

I am sure Hamas could find the time to kill one more person in their busy schedule.

randon31415,

Likud Minister Formulates Emergency Regulations to Imprison Citizens Who ‘Harm National Morale’

badbytes,

Obama, be trolling

Bricked,

he’ll do anything for Iran

tias,

There are complex issues to solve, sure, but there’s nothing complicated about the fact that we need to let humanitarian aid in and stop killing children, right this fucking minute. There are no excuses for what is happening right now.

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Well there are 240 hostages that are held captive in an underground lair by some psychopaths. The PM of Israel may not want to keep those people there any longer than necessary.

Perhaps Hamas should release the hostages so there’s no longer a reason for Israel to deny calls for a ceasefire?

Odd that no one is calling on Hamas to do this, isn’t it? It’s almost like everyone knows Hamas is evil and will continue to keep those people imprisoned. But if we’re demanding Israel to do things we know they won’t do, why not also demand Hamas to do things we know they won’t do?

Maggoty,

Of course we all want civilian hostages released. Don’t be dumb.

cogman,

Except apparently Israel because they are bombing the event living shit out of Gaza. Hostages aren’t bomb proof, so tell me, how does Israel know they’ve not killed some when they kill 30 civilians to kill a Hamas leader (whose name slips them at the moment)

Maggoty,

They don’t and i’d characterize much of their bombing as a war crime.

unreasonabro,

yes no one is calling for the return of hostages

that is a reasonable thing to say

tias,

Jesus man, open your eyes and ears. Nobody is saying Hamas should do that. Listen to what Obama is saying in the video, for the love of God.

ParsnipWitch,

“Stop killing children” should be enforced in both countries, though. It’s not like Hamas is protecting the children in Gaza. Quite the opposite really.

tias,

No argument there, and I did not intend for my comment to say anything else.

Five,

I’m not saying the details of it are not complicated.

History is always complicated

Present events are always complicated

But the way this is reported in the western media is as though one needs a PhD in Middle Eastern studies to understand the basic morality of holding a people in a situation in which they don’t have basic rights including the right that we treasure most the franchise the right to vote and then declaring that state a democracy

is actually not that hard to understand.

– Ta-Nehisi Coates

tias,

I’m actually not sure which country you are talking about now. I don’t know of anyone who calls Palestine a democracy. I think the reason people call Israel a democracy is that Israeli citizens have free elections and are not oppressed. I don’t think they factor in oppression of other countries when they call something a democracy. If they did, the US and UK wouldn’t count as democracies either.

stella,

holding a people in a situation in which they don’t have basic rights

I’m actually not sure which country you are talking about now.

If the options are Palestine and Israel, which country do you think it is?

Come on, use your brain.

tias, (edited )

No need to be condescending. With how polarizing this issue is, you are surely aware that there might be people on the Internet who would stand by these claims for either of the two countries. What I use my brain to conclude isn’t relevant, the question is what you used your brain to conclude.

stella,

Re-read my comment. It applies to you as well.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

Stella has been all over Lemmy with this BS. They aren’t really worth the effort. Speak to people who might be reading the thread, not to that troll.

HappycamperNZ,

holding a people in a situation in which they don’t have basic rights

Hamas holding their own population as human shields and failing to provide basic infrastructure, or Israel blocking their own borders that stops Palestine civilians from access to necessity of life.

Im with the other poster, and if you didn’t see both there is already a bias in your head that no reasonable and open discussion of facts would ever overcome.

stella,

Lol, what? You’re buying into Israeli propaganda talking points to justify bombing civilians. I’m not going to entertain your bias.

Hamas isn’t denying Gazans basic human rights. Israel is. This isn’t up for debate.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

Hamas wasn’t stealing water pipes to make weapons?

(I’m not saying Israel hasn’t done bad things, and I’m not saying one is worse than the other. But Hamas HAS been denying “their people” access to basic human rights in the process of “fighting for their people”.)

dustyData,

If they did, the US and UK wouldn’t count as democracies either

Most political experts agree that they barely classify. The US has a rather unique electoral college system. The UK is most literally a constitutional monarchy. At best, they’re hybrid systems.

Bricked,

More breaking news. Obama says breathing is good for your health.

kicksystem,

And while you say this, this thread is full of people claiming it is actually very simple. sigh

satan,

No shit Sherlock! But the keyboard warriors on the internet with dumb takes aren’t the ones enabling and funding the killing of civilians though, are they?

This guy has been, since well, he’s a US president so it must come naturally.

MedicPigBabySaver,

Fuck Israel. They get a free pass every time.

stevehobbes,

How about Hamas? You seem to be willing to give them a free pass while they still have 200 hostages somewhere in a bunker or tunnel?

MedicPigBabySaver,

Hamas are rotten fucking scumbags. Yet, it’s crystal clear that Israel has been able to do whatever they want for as long as I remember. Which is decades. Fuck Israel.

stella,

I think that’s Israel’s problem, not the US’.

Did Israel send aid to the US after 9/11?

TimewornTraveler,

um, that’s the current issue

stella,

Yes, and in the past did Israel send the US aid when they were attacked?

No? Then why should the US send Israel aid when Israel is responsible for both conflicts and has the money to fund it themselves?

Thoas,

Are you going to condem the terrorizing and slaughter of countless Palestinian children by Israel?

Zealousideal_Fox900,

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    WuTang,

    yeah yeah it’s complex. Apartheid in South Africa, Nazism was also rocket science.

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    To be able to indoctrinate a thousand people into being capable of the atrocities committed on October 7, you have to teach people from a very young age that the enemy is not human, but demons and that no form a violence is unacceptable to use against them. Hamas has been the government of Gaza (and therefore in control of the schools) for enough time to indoctrinate children from a very young age all the way up to adulthood.

    If you’re looking for comparisons to Nazis, maybe consider applying some of those comparisons to the group whose goal is to kill Jews. Internet contrarianism is fun and all, but this has gotten out of hand.

    ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

    Wait until you learn about Egyptian media. Borat-like in their antisemitism.

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Wouldn’t surprise me. Though at the moment I’m a little more concerned about the antisemitism in my own country.

    It seems that the “it’s ok to criticize Israel” doctrine just handed out free dog whistles to anti-semites. They just did a find and replace on their conspiracy theories to sub out “the Jews” for “Israel” and apparently a lot of people think it’s “ok” now. While not all criticism of Israel is anti-semitism, some of it is.

    Obama is correct. People need to take a little time to stop and think. It’s not a bad thing to think before pushing insane narratives on the internet.

    WuTang,

    Are you talking about Tsahal? And what about these girls signing isreali bombs?

    https://lemmy.ninja/pictrs/image/2e56b266-89d8-407d-8403-2682b8ca4cc8.png

    and if you think it is fake or AI-fied (nbcnews) …s-nbcnews.com/…/200107-kiryat_shmona-mc-11274.JP…

    TimewornTraveler,

    If you’re looking to compare to genocide, maybe consider the group in power that started off saying they just want an ethnostate and they will relocate some people, and when that becomes unfeasible they begin to murder them en masse…

    You seem just as biased as anyone else here. If you want to champion Obama’s complexity you should be willing to check that bias.

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