China Is Pressing Women to Have More Babies. Many Are Saying No.

Chinese women have had it. Their response to Beijing’s demands for more children? No.

Fed up with government harassment and wary of the sacrifices of child-rearing, many young women are putting themselves ahead of what Beijing and their families want. Their refusal has set off a crisis for the Communist Party, which desperately needs more babies to rejuvenate China’s aging population.

With the number of babies in free fall—fewer than 10 million were born in 2022, compared with around 16 million in 2012—China is headed toward a demographic collapse. China’s population, now around 1.4 billion, is likely to drop to just around half a billion by 2100, according to some projections. Women are taking the blame.

In October, Chinese Leader Xi Jinping urged the state-backed All-China Women’s Federation to “prevent and resolve risks in the women’s field,” according to an official account of the speech.

“It’s clear that he was not talking about risks faced by women but considering women as a major threat to social stability,” said Clyde Yicheng Wang, an assistant professor of politics at Washington and Lee University who studies Chinese government propaganda.

The State Council, China’s top government body, didn’t respond to questions about Beijing’s population policies.

AllonzeeLV, (edited )

China’s problem is a universal problem. They’re “communist” in name only. Their economy has capitalist demands for growth/metastasis, same as ours and most developed economies.

People want to have kids when they can expect those kids to live at minimum the same quality, and preferably better quality, than they themselves did and do. That just isn’t the case anymore as the global economy has run out of massive new sectors for growth/metastasis and has begun eating itself. You can see this in all the entire sectors here merging into monopolies and duopolies. Constant merging isn’t a business strategy, it’s just trying to buy time in a failing economic model.

Capitalism has always been a long-term pyramid scheme to concentrate all the power/wealth/means/capital to a small owner class. The problem is, the con has run out of new places and ways to exploit people as you eventually can’t squeeze more out of a fully exploited stone. No pensions, laughable pay, no future. Just expected to thanklessly generate capital for the owners in larger and larger quantities for the love of what? The nation trying to commoditize your entire life to profit the right people? Why would you bring another poor, desperate child to suffer such a world?

Now, in their desperation, these economies that lead their societies and governments around by the nose are desperately screaming “MORE LIVESTOCK TO EXPLOIT GOD DAMN IT!” because in lieu of not being able to squeeze any harder on existing capital batteries without being correctly told to ‘get fucked,’ that’s all they have.

I firmly believe that is why the federalist society that runs our SCOTUS is trying to get abortion banned, as the most profitable capital batteries are desperate, poor ones. I also believe the intentional decline of our public education system is meant to address the same problem, if they can make the population stoooopid enough not to consider the lives the children of already struggling peasants would have.

This world is finite. Its resources finite. An economic model literally based on infinite continuous growth/metastasis or die is not compatible with the world as it is. In every sense, it is killing us, whether by climate change from without, and loss of actual personal meaning within, at least for the non-winning vast majority. The goal of global economics should have been to establish a sustainable population that could find equilibrium/homeostasis with our shared, COMMUNal environment we all rely on from one breath to the next. Not a lot of room for Super Yachts and private jets in such a world though…

Jaysyn,
Jaysyn avatar

This is also why the Federalist Society is coming after a womens right to vote.

It won't be long until we hear MTG shouting "All MEN are created equal, not woMEN" in the halls of Congress.

Ibaudia,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

Saving this so I can come back in case you’re right

buzz86us,

Exactly I don’t understand how building an economy on screwing over each other is viable… It is present in everything as corporations are running out of metrics to gain income we are seeing either lower quality products on the market, shrinking quantity of consumables or everything becoming subscriber based at ever increasing prices as everything is commodified… If you stop producing you just die.

Synthuir,

This is why so many ‘industrialists’ are championing Mars bases and asteroid mining. Not because it would solve scarcity, but because it would provide another spatial fix, which like you said, is the ideal capitalist solution.

user1234,

Reminds me of a bumper sticker that I once saw “Earth first! We can strip mine the other planets later.”

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

There was a 1950s radio drama show called X-Minus One that adapted stories from a science fiction magazine. There’s a comedic one that is a surprising critique of capitalism in 1950s America called “Snowball Effect” [spoilers ahead] about an economics professor who comes up with a formula for unlimited growth and tests it out on a small women’s organization in a small town in Wisconsin. It starts working too rapidly, but he has built a flaw into the formula where the organization will quickly collapse if they stop getting new members. But it becomes so successful that the organization takes over the world. At the end of the episode, the world leader (who started as the president of the organization in the tiny Wisconsin town) announces that they are landing the first people on Mars to look for Martians because they desperately needed new members.

If you’re curious to listen, it’s here- archive.org/details/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles

SwampYankee,

Humanity divorced itself from nature long before capitalism existed. Without natural bounds on growth, any organism will multiply indefinitely. Every technology we’ve developed, from stone tools and fire to transistors and fractal antennas, has been in service of removing natural bounds. After the world wars, people were concerned about our ability to feed an exploding population, then the green revolution happened. Today, we’re grappling with how to feed 3 to 4 times as many people, as well our depletion of other natural resources and the effect we’re having on the planet as a whole. We’re developing fusion, solar & wind, carbon sequestration, desalination, vertical farming & hydroponics, and the asteroid mining and extraterrestrial colonization you mention.

It’s scary now because it feels like we’re truly on the brink of destroying ourselves - outgrowing our planet’s ability to host us in multiple different ways - without a nascent technology close at hand to save us from ourselves again. We’re smart, but are we smart enough to defeat nature entirely? Either we stay one step ahead of perpetual growth, or we finally realize that perpetual growth is the one natural thing about ourselves that we have not managed to truly grapple with.

gun,
@gun@lemmy.ml avatar

They’re “communist” in name only.

This despite having 2/3 of the countries GDP in SOEs and 60-90% of the workforce in SOEs, having 5 year plans, and political leadership primarily under a Communist party. Why do so many people think communism is only when everyone makes the same paycheck or when the economy is managed bureaucratically?

cecinestpasunbot,

That’s just what kids are taught in high school in the US and most people don’t question it. You have to go out of your way to learn otherwise.

foggy,

It says a lot about where we’re at in humanity. Child-bearing-aged humans the world over want children less than ever before.

Something’s fucking wrong.

HikingVet,

Yeah, the way we have human society set up.

NaibofTabr,

https://image2.slideserve.com/4657413/model-of-population-growth-l.jpg

SlopppyEngineer,

Humanity has always taken an idea and ran with it to the breaking point and beyond, having it fall apart, take the pieces that worked and cobble together a few new idea to run with usually accompanied with a new batch of religions and cultures. But living in that falling apart time isn’t the greatest experience.

Rediphile,

Wrong? I see people deciding not to have kids as fundamentally a good thing. Coercion into having kids due to government pressure or social norms seems a whole lot more wrong to me. It’s ok to not want kids, it’s not some sort of disorder that needs fixing.

I would absolutely love to see the population go down, even for like a single day, within my lifetime. But considering we’ve added over 2 billion people to the population since I was a kid…I don’t have high hopes.

aew360,

Better for the environment for sure, but less people would leave many countries bankrupt because of high senior care costs. I mean, they could just allow immigration, but that’s not gonna happen. It’s funny how the US benefits so much from immigration and yet half the country doesn’t want it

markr,

Which is basically an accounting issue. We could produce all the stuff we need with a smaller workforce, but that would squeeze a lot of profit out of the production system. Simply put billionaires would suffer. Without an ever increasing consumer population there is the horror of degrowth.

aew360,

I don’t think we can and I think the ongoing labor shortage is proof of it. At least not yet, but with advances in automation and robotics, then I think it’s likely. Also we totally need something like a UBI at that point because we would surely tip the scales towards labor surplus at that point. Which is where I would like to see municipal programs pop up around the country to employ people and pay them really well to clean up the environment. Plant trees, clean up rivers, basically rehab the planet. It’s all wishful thinking but I like talking about it lol

Rediphile,

I hope when I’m old they just decide to let my generation suffer to correct this fundamentally flawed system that will inevitably collapse at some point. It’s based upon the impossible notion of infinite growth.

I totally agree with you about immigration, but I tend to look at the population issue from a world wide perspective. And from that perspective the population goes up every single year without fail, which to me is a major problem that I hope our species will find a way to overcome.

AnalogyAddict,

They’ve been telling Gen X and younger that we’re going to suffer when old since we were kids.

Mothra,
@Mothra@mander.xyz avatar

Yes, I think the person you replied to meant exactly what you put in words- they just left it vague to accommodate for all the other factors involved not only in the Chinese case at hand, but worldwide. I don’t think they meant to say it’s not ok to not want to have kids.

lovesickoyster,

Coercion into having kids due to government pressure or social norms seems a whole lot more wrong to me.

as someone who does not want kids and is constantly being pressured into it by inlaws, thank you for saying this. Every time i see my screaming, trantrum throwing nephews my belief is more reinforced.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Ah yes, “a threat to be eliminated” is surely a stance that will get women on board with child-bearing.

electrogamerman,

Its crazy to me that countries are urging women to have children. At least they should do what Christians and Muslims do and brain wash women to have children.

PanArab,

They should allow immigration. There are other young countries looking for jobs. 60% of the Arab World is under 30.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Oh look, it’s the same fucking problem of every fucking rich country! The “find out” part after the “fuck around” of living conditions getting ridiculously expensive, plus expecting both parents to magically have time and energy to work AND care for their child

cabron_offsets,

Dystopian shithole.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Every American Chinese woman has a duty to birth at least one able-bodied worker.

~ Mike “Chinese Communist” Johnson, Speaker of the Beijing House of Representatives

cabron_offsets,

No dispute we have a problem with fascist republican swine, but we’re a far cry from China.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

There is a reflexive need among Americans to assume every other country is significantly worse than their own.

SCB,

China is an authoritarian state that had a literal one-child policy until recently

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

China is an authoritarian state

My guy, I’m living in a state that tried to arrest a woman for removing an ectopic pregnancy. The border towns of my state are rapidly developing the largest per-capita prison population on the planet, thanks to the number of migrants being snatched up and forced into concentration detention camps combined with our already prodigious home-grown prison population. A full third of my city budget is dedicated to funding an enormous do-nothing police force and our new mayor spent his first day doing ride-alongs with cops while promising even more money. You can get arrested in my state for simple vagrancy. You can get arrested and jailed for days at the age of 6 years old for stealing a crayon. You can get arrested and sentenced to five years in prison for submitting a provisional ballot on election day>

had a literal one-child policy until recently

Until as recently as 2010, US prisons had a policy of sterilizing inmates.

China’s One Child policy boiled down to withholding financial benefits after the second kid, which is no different than the American EITC refundable tax credit that caps benefits at 3 dependents, along with numerous other state benefits that are capped at between two and four children depending on the state.

If you want to talk about authoritarianism, you’re going to have to put more on the table than a vaguely referenced policy you know very little about. Nevermind how you’re speaking about this in a state that has been caught engaging in outright genocidal conduct towards its native, african american, female, and LGBT populations within the last few news cycles.

assassin_aragorn,

None of this really disproves their claim that the Chinese government is authoritarian. It just shows they aren’t the only authoritarian government in the world.

SCB, (edited )

My guy, I’m living in a state that tried to arrest a woman for removing an ectopic pregnancy.

Yep, and your state voted for that. My state amended it’s constitution to prevent this situation, also through voting.

In China, you don’t get that option, because China is an authoritarian state.

Authoritarian doesn’t simply mean “bad” even though authoritarianism is bad.

You know what’s not a sign of an authoritarian state? An appeals court overturning a bad verdict.

Crystal Mason’s contentious illegal voting conviction must be reconsidered, criminal appeals court says

You should really click the links you use as evidence.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

your state voted for that

Gerrymandered districts mean 40% of the population picks 60% of the legislators.

In China, you don’t get that option

In China, I can get an abortion any time I want. The cost is trivial, the facilities are clean, and the doctors aren’t legally required to guilt trip me with far-right propaganda just for asking. I don’t need to block walk for ten years, canvasing uninterested men and begging them to support some Ivy League prat (D) over Local Car Dealership creep ®, in hopes that I maybe get the supermajority of democrats necessary to repeal an ill-conceived trigger law passed before I was even legally allowed to vote. I just get to do the thing, because it has been considered a fundamental human right since the 1950s.

You know what’s not a sign of an authoritarian state? An appeals court overturning a bad verdict.

An unelected body of bureaucrats green-lighting a state campaign of hyper-policing aimed at a vulnerable group, for the purpose of instituting an unpopular morality code, is a textbook example of state authoritarianism.

Even then, as you note

Authoritarian doesn’t simply mean “bad” even though authoritarianism is bad.

I could at least live with a certain amount of authoritarianism (because hey, that’s hierarchies for ya, and whatchagonnado?) but the current hierarchy has produced a local authoritarianist tendency that is also absolutely shit.

China’s authoritarian government gets people super fast trains and world leading hospitals and salt-fusion nuclear reactors.

My authoritarian government gets people daily multi-vehicle traffic fatalities and medical bankruptcies and big holes in West Virginia where we mine burnable rocks that clog our air and waterways and fill our fish food with mercury.

I can’t vote the authoritarianism out of Texas any more than I can vote the authoritarianism out of China. And since I don’t speak mandarin and I’ve got something of a large, well-established community of friends and loved ones in Texas, I’m stuck here for the time being.

SCB,

You can move within your country and your experience will be entirely different. You can’t in China, because it’s an authoritarian hellstate.

I agree that Republicans are authoritarians, and that sucks. I also acknowledge that you likely view hierarchies as inherently authoritarian and that we’ll likely not see eye to eye on where to draw lines. Also fine - that’s what liberal ideologies want, is that disagreement.

But to compare China positively with the US in terms of authoritarianism is, frankly, a bit silly.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

You can move within your country and your experience will be entirely different. You can’t in China

In the US, you can move within the US whenever you please and arrive homeless if you can’t afford market rents. In China, you can put out a request to move and get on a waiting list for available housing, then move when a spot opens up. China, you get arrested and returned home for moving without a permit. In the US, you get arrested and incarcerated indefinitely for living without a house.

The Authoritarian Hellstate of China is one in which state agents try to accommodate the demands of the population at-large in order to avoid the socially destabilizing effects of mass unemployment and homelessness. The Freedom-burger Utopia of America is one in which state agents simply assault and imprison anyone who steps out of line, with the expectation that we all make the consumer choice to remain in bounds.

I agree that Republicans are authoritarians, and that sucks.

I wish it was just Republicans. Houston and California and New York Democrats are more than happy to pile on the conservative-inspired panics, when they see these mass-media hysterics as politically convenient. Whether you’re Mayor Eric Adams or Governor Gavin Newsom or Sylvester Turner, you’re on the side of the police in a war against the ugly masses.

But to compare China positively with the US in terms of authoritarianism is, frankly, a bit silly.

It is definitely silly to compare the Chinese Communist Party to the American Republican Party.

cabron_offsets,

Lolbruh. Would you rather live in America or China?

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

If I was fluent in Mandarin? Chongqing is an absolutely gorgeous city with fantastic food and amazing transit. I’d take it over Houston in a heartbeat.

Carlo,

I imagine the climate is better, though that’s a low bar to clear. We’re in a very narrow band now when I enjoy spending time out of doors. Soon we’ll return to the 10 month summer.

cabron_offsets,

You write as if your microcosm republican shithole is your only option for living in a country with vast cultural, economic, and political diversity (let alone geography, climate, demographics, etc.). You’re arguing in bad faith. Fuck’s sake, move to Austin and it’s night-and-day compared to Houston.

assassin_aragorn,

Western in general really. I remember seeing here once Europeans dunking on the US for lead water pipes, and it turned out lead pipes are just as bad in the EU and actually worse in the UK.

One defining feature of Western philosophy and mythos is individualism, which explains why it’s common for each Western country to think it’s the best/least worst.

jaschen,

I hate to do this, but I feel like Taiwan(numba 1) is doing this better than China(numba 4).

The Taiwan government is literally giving money to have kids. The more kids you have, the more monthly cash they give you. I think our president said something along the lines of “it’s up to our country to take care of all children of Taiwan”. I’m paraphrasing.

Not just cash, we also have infrastructure setup. Most malls, government buildings and public places have breastfeeding rooms. There is almost always a bathroom designated for people with children. There are even bathrooms set up with small tiny toilets. There is a designated area for kids to sit on the train. There are designated elevators for kids.

Plus healthcare is free/cheap so that helps.

If China wants more babies, it needs to start giving the people things that promote having kids. Unless you force them to have kids… I guess because you can. Fuck the CCP.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

The Taiwan government is literally giving money to have kids. The more kids you have, the more monthly cash they give you.

South Korea has a similar strategy, although I think it comes as housing benefit and paid time-off.

The problem is that these economic incentives are relatively small. And they all come with the caveat that you have to… get married and take up a subservient role in child care and produce babies (the last bit in particular being extremely unpleasant and not something you can easily pay people to do).

By contrast, private employment in the professional sector offers a significantly better deal. Get more money than the miserly state stipend. Keep your independence. Don’t tear your vagina in half producing a new baby. Enjoy your fucking life in an economy that is built to produce luxury consumerist experiences.

If China wants more babies, it needs to start giving the people things that promote having kids.

The article is paywalled, so its hard to say exactly what Chinese social policy isn’t doing. But the country worked very hard to curb its population towards sustainability and to improve the outlaying regions of the country that was shedding peasant farmers in droves. Compare the population distribution of China to neighboring Japan, where a full 12% of the population lives in the capital city. Tapei is nearly as bad.

At some point, people are responding entirely to social pressures. I’m not going to try and have kids if I’m living in a closet on a peasant wage. Neither are folks in Europe or North America. We’re all in the same boat in this regard. Post-industrial countries are all seeing a population shortfall, in no small part because they’ve compressed populations into these tiny spaces and given them barely enough to live on.

Add in the cultural shaming of “teen pregnancy” and what you’re left with is asking a bunch of career-professional thirty-somethings to get off the career elevator so they can fuck like horny adolescents.

That’s not going to work anywhere you try it.

SCB,

China wants people to move from rural areas to cities, which is why they forcibly move them from rural areas to cities.

nytimes.com/…/chinas-great-uprooting-moving-250-m…

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

China wants people to move from rural areas to cities

Given their development patterns, it more appears that Chinese planners want the cities to move to rural areas. The article you’re citing is describing mass modernization in some of the most remote corners of the country. Northern Hebei abuts Inner Mongolia. Liaocheng is basically China’s Iowa.

they forcibly move them

Did you even read the article? They are redeveloping historically agricultural land into urban industrial centers, primarily for the purpose of increasing output in these agricultural territories. Farmers are moving from underdeveloped ranch homes to fully electrified and transit-connected tower blocks of their own accord. In fact, one of the bigger complaints in China is the political economy around folks jumping the queue in order to get into these new luxury units faster.

“Urbanization is in China’s future, but China’s rural population lags behind in enjoying the benefits of economic development,” said Li Shuguang, professor at the China University of Political Science and Law. “The rural population deserves the same benefits and rights city folks enjoy.”

This is a sentiment that’s sharply divided rural and urban communities in China for decades, and which has contributed to a gray market of labor moving from poorer rural neighborhoods to richer urban centers that the state is hoping to discourage.

jaschen,

Taiwan has paid time off for mothers(not dad’s). Usually a month or so. There are no housing benefits in Taiwan that I know of. The incentive is def a small portion of how much a child costs, but it’s not a little. I get like 8000nt a month directly deposited into my account. I also get schooling incentives. It is basically free cash that pays around 25% of my child’s schooling/daycare.

China has a brutal 996 culture if you’re lucky to even have a job. Nobody is going to start making babies when a VERY large % of your young population is unemployed.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I get like 8000nt a month directly deposited into my account.

That’s, like, $250/mo American though, isn’t it? Imagine giving up a career that earns you $10k/mo so you can spend your time as a daycare worker for 1/40th of that.

China has a brutal 996 culture

Hong Kong and Shanghai business sectors have operating managers that try to foist 996 culture on people, and there are enough young people who don’t want to spend their lives on the farm willing to take the opportunity. But you by no means need to work a 996 in order to afford basic standard of living, outside of the high rent sectors in the bigger cities. You see similar work-till-you-drop attitudes across the Pacific Rim - in Japan and Korea and the Philippines and across the pond in California even.

There are plenty of American gig-economy workers and student workers and double-job-holding hard cases who work what amounts to a 996 in practice. As someone who tried to work while in college and hold down two jobs at once, early on in my life, I’ve seen it and lived it. A pure sucker’s bet, as the pay in these jobs is routinely shit and all that extra work never amounts to any kind of career advancement - just burnout. But this isn’t in any way unique to China, much less endemic.

Nobody is going to start making babies when a VERY large % of your young population is unemployed.

Unemployment globally is at record lows. Demand for labor is ramping up as the Boomer generation retires and the smaller Millennial and Zoomer workforces matriculate into the industrial and service sectors. And, generally speaking, unemployed people (particularly high school/college drop outs) have more time and opportunity to fuck, not less. When you’re young, hot, and broke, fucking is one of the only reliable forms of entertainment. Also, a decently paid way to make a living.

But Western neoliberal culture hates when young people have kids, and both the economy and the legal system exist to punish you for it. Everything from tax laws to workplace advancement are predicated on you giving every ounce of time to your career. Dating, leisure, hobbies, and parental leave all come with a host of knock-on economic penalties and social stigmas.

Its not the unemployed people who are having trouble finding the time and opportunity to make babies. Its far more often the upwardly mobile who have to put off starting a family time and time again, because the economic costs grow considerably as you rise up the socio-economic ladder.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

China’s population, now around 1.4 billion, is likely to drop to just around half a billion by 2100, according to some projections. Women are taking the blame.

It does take two to tango.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Estimating the fuck-rate of my grandchildren’s grandchildren and being very concerned in a paper that can’t predict the next quarterly financial cycle correctly.

MSgtRedFox,
@MSgtRedFox@infosec.pub avatar

I’ve seen a bunch of comments expressing interest in the population declining. Since I don’t really want the Thanos approach, lowering the birth rate is great.

I propose sterilization for cash, like cash for clunkers. You get a bunch of free money if you decide you want fixed.

Think of the amount of people who’d take that deal. Long term, lower population, less social program spending, hopefully less people’s wanting abortions, win win. It goes against the rich people need for more workers, but you can dangle the lower welfare receipts, they’ll be all about that. 😋

Sorry, morbid humor among actual socioeconomic conversation.

Plopp,

I’m first in line for the nuts for bucks program!

SCB,

As a dude planning to get a vasectomy this year, I am all for this plan, so long as it includes people who already have children.

morrowind,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

Decreasing population hurts the economy beyond rich people’s needs

platypus_plumba, (edited )

I honestly feel we need to set a limit to human lifespan. Healthcare is advancing too fast for this to be sustainable.

Bro, you lived 75 years, please die already so new generations can have some resources for themselves, stop hogging everything, you… hogger. Lower the retirement age to 55 and let people enjoy their last 20 years with decent retirement money because there’s less old people to maintain.

This is the only solution I can think of. If the population keeps growing at this rate and we don’t start culling ourselves, we’ll make the planet inhabitable.

Young people are necessary for the economy to bloom and to sustain old people after retirement. I don’t think sterilization is an option.

ArgentRaven,

No one wants to die at 75 - that’s a single decade (in old age, mind you, with limited options) to enjoy retirement. IF you managed to retire. There’s a lot of older people now that I work with that simply can’t retire, because they can’t afford it. That’s only going to get worse as we grow old and need to retire.

We can’t enact Logan’s Run at 75 and assume it’ll fix anything. We’ll all work till we drop, which I don’t want for my children. Hell, my parents don’t want that for me now!

Katana314,

I feel like they’d have a point if we could reduce the standard retirement age. Theoretically, a world pushing increased automation should be able to achieve that - assuming the value generated from automation isn’t going into about 5 or 6 individual bank accounts.

platypus_plumba,

Their retirement money sucks because there are too many of them. Because there are too many of them, young people have no resources. Because young people have no resources, people don’t want to have kids. Because they don’t have kids, there aren’t enough young workers to generate decent retirement money for old people.

It’s a cycle.

It’s really the best solution…

  • Promotes young people to procreate
  • Helps the planet with overpopulation
  • Removes the people who are no longer giving back to society
  • Gives better retirement years to people who reach age 55.
  • Lowers the prices of properties because most properties are held by older people.
  • Removes the portion of the population with declining minds. It’s like eugenics without discrimination. It applies equally to everyone. Enjoy your 75 years and let others enjoy theirs.

Seriously, I can only see positives. The only problem is that people are too attached to life. Humans are too self-centered for something like this. 75 years is enough to experience whatever. You’ll retire younger and have actual money to enjoy your last 20 years.

This is a temporary solution though. The population would still grow, but at least it would be mostly workers that are probably figuring out how to solve the issues permanently.

deafboy,
@deafboy@lemmy.world avatar

I’d go further. Imagine if we extended the purge to the young population as well. They’d no longer need to work hard to give their children stability and a chance to succeed. No wars, no famine, no sickens… no suffering. All that, achievable right now! All it takes is to kill ourselves!

www.imdb.com/title/tt4146128/

platypus_plumba, (edited )

One day we’ll look back and wonder “why did we even think it was possible for human population to keep growing without limits in a limited space with limited resources?”

Wait, that day already happened years ago.

The 1 child policy already proved to be the wrong solution. Do you have any other ideas on how to stop the population growth while keeping the population young?

We have tripled our population in 50 years. Life expectancy is higher than ever and will keep getting higher.

Solutions? Or do we just sit down mocking reality until we die?

Riven,

Or just take residential property away from companies and sell it back way cheaper to first time buyers. I bet lots of people would like a kid or two but just can’t afford it because of all the money spent on rent/mortgages.

Arthur_Leywin,

Loving this child free wave

0Xero0,
@0Xero0@lemmy.world avatar

China probably wants to make more military reserves so they can have more manpower to invade Taiwan in the future after seeing their friend ruZZia flopped in Ukraine.

DonkeyShot,

While I hope you are right regarding Russia, I’d be careful with sufh statements, nothing’s decided yet.

zxk,

My older brother says you got to do more than press

Toes,

I think low birth rates are a product of a demanding system. In many cases it’s economic suicide to even entertain the idea of having children.

buzz86us,

There is also the fact that the economy is collapsing in on itself since companies are pulling out of China in droves. It is a toxic business environment, ever since Trump’s presidency has ignited this whole nationalism tend among world politics things have been going downhill for younger generations it is like being a US citizen, and graduating in 2008 Imagine graduating with a degree, and there are no jobs available.

phoenixz,

The Chinese government being what it is and has been for the past decades they’ll soon start promoting raping women. Gotta get them pregnant somehow!

I so wish I was kidding and not in some dark part more right than I want to know…

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