I think GM tried with the Chevy Bolt. It was the cheapest EV with good range, (265 miles/426km), with a base model available for under $30,000US. Despite the early battery issues that DID get fixed, No one bought it. Chevy does kind of say they would be willing to bring it back with their new Ultium battery. But I’m not holding my breath.
The biggest problem with EVs is the purchase price. They cost far too much to buy. And there is not much of a market for used ones.
I think that’s a big part of it, but even putting him and all his BS aside, they haven’t really done much innovating in years. In the mid '10s it seemed like they were making big gains in manufacturing and following up the success of the Model S with the X, Y, and 3 as well as developing the gigafactory and things like the powerwall. Since probably 2019 though, they’ve just been spinning their wheels and stagnating on things like autonomy and building the Cybertruck with no real gain to show for it.
I imagine it won’t be long before he’s ousted though as it provides a convenient scape goat for everything along with shedding dead weight who’s main appeal previously was being outspoken online and “a disruptor” before everything turned to right wing politics.
they haven’t really done much innovating in years.
They just released a new vehicle (like today). It’s a $45k sedan that does 0-60MPH in 3 seconds.
Another recent vehicle is the first production vehicle made of stamped cold-rolled steel. It is the first production vehicle with a 48V low-voltage system. It is the first production vehicle with steer-by-wire.
Not long before that they released a vehicle that’s faster than any production car (when it was released) with triple carbon-sleeved rotors that decimated the 60+MPH EV acceleration problem, and it was a 4-door sedan that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars less than said supercars.
Now you may not like those features, and you may not like the vehicles, and you may hate the brand and it’s leader, but you can’t say they aren’t regularly innovating. There are lots of super talented engineers at Tesla that are not Musk.
E: lots of downvotes and an accusation, zero counter-arguments.
The 48V system and the binder Tesla sent to other auto manufacturers of how to finally do it is a great example. Videos I’ve seen on it made it seem really really cool, hopefully other manufacturers follow suit
Not all innovation succeeds and this might not, but what other car company would even try? Innovation is about being willing to try things that are new and different, even when it fails
I mean it’s teslas fault they’re cheap skate assholes, but it’s technically your fault you didn’t buy the clear coat. It’s not like the option wasn’t there.
I honestly figured people who bought it like that were going to apply their own finishes to it, not just let it rust. It’s not like stainless steel is actually stainless.
I suppose the fact they bought the damn thing in the first place should have been my first clue.
No it is not your fault. You should not be expected to buy a car with the expectation that it will rust immediately unless you pay thousands of dollars more. That’s essentially saying you’re going to have something broken unless you pay extra.
The guy deserves all sorts of crap for the way he runs his mouth (and so do we all for putting him on that pedestal), but come on ….
Since 2019
incorporates a heat pump for the first time
new batteries
gigacasting
new factories and huge scale up
pushed NACS as the new charger standard
Sure the vehicles look similar but there’s still huge innovation …… except that Cybertruck. If ever there was a good time for them to just let something drop to obscurity, it would be when that had so much trouble and Rivian and Ford beat them to release
When Elon kinda first hit the scene I liked him and was on his side. It’s been through his own consistent inconsistencies and double talk, and also plain crazy talk… that has totally turned me off to him in any area. I think if I can go from ‘almost a fanboy’ to ‘give back Twitter you stupid cunt’; I’m likely not the only one.
I’m sick of him. Like all of it. I wish he’d had gotten put in that car they launched into space. He’s such an 🫏🕳️
He’s literally his own worst enemy. If he’d just shut the fuck up and work - but no. He’s used Tesla stock to fund his idiotic twitter shit. Boring company is a dead end. Cybertruck has already seen two recalls and is trickling out to confirmed fanboys only. My only hope is that he doesn’t fuck up spacex. Apparently they have a whole ‘elon management’ team and it’s working.
Yes I think the government is one of the ‘big sponsors’ for him. Even if he dislikes the government 🙄.
I imagine it’s deeeefinitely in their best interests to ‘manage Elon’.
“Sorry Elon we wanted to introduce you to the hardworking rocket scientists, but they hate you and would rather jump off a bridge than be in a room with you. Soooo, we made some nice snacks and joints, and there’s a hot tub you can use too. Doesn’t that sound nicer than belittling people and causing chaos? Yeah? Good? Good. Aww ok you want Ice cream too. Thats ok, just stay away from Mission Control sweety.”
When I first heard about him, it was when he took over Tesla and was pushing electric cars to become mainstream against a huge amount of industry pressure trying to squash any effort to move away from fossil fuels. It was an inspiring underdog story, and I was genuinely rooting for the guy. Maybe not in a crazy fanboy way like some people o today, but whenever I heard a positive news story about him it was uplifting to a certain degree.
Then he absolutely humiliated himself with the “pedo guy” comments and his bizarre feud with the truth/reality and my opinion of him flipped then and there. It only went downhill quicker when he started showing his true colors - switching from Democrat to Republican and indulging himself in conspiracy theories, antisemitism and racist ideology cemented my opinion of him. He’s a true blue piece of shit who will say or do anything if he can make money off of it.
I’m kinda not mad that he’s crazy AND vocal. What I’m more worried about is when maybe when he older and wiser he shuts up and just starts funneling all that money towards his nutto crazy talk. At least now you can hear him coming.
Yeah, I went from thinking he was like a real life Tony Stark. Obviously Tony Stark is fictional, but Elon seemed like what he could be if he was real instead of fantasy.
I’ve pivoted on my opinion of him so hard that I’ve been side eyeing Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, and the whole idea of a benevolent billionaire hero as billionaire propaganda.
He took his mask off in 2018 when he had the tantrum about his stupid submarine idea being called stupid and then went after the guy who did save the kids personally. He never was able to get that mask to fit again after that.
I feel like I can understand Lex Luthor’s decisions. I disagree with them, but there’s a logical consistency there. I look at Elon and think “I’m supposed to believe this guy is a genius?”
The only thing he ever brought to the companies was large amounts of money and preparedness to spend vast quantities of it without really seeming to be bothered about if it made a profit or not.
If you’re trying to make money you don’t start a rocket company and you definitely don’t start a rocket company that does things differently to the established ones.
Yeah but Hughes ran a magazine empire. Tony Stark was like, “what if someone had Hughes’ charisma but also the knowledge to use his resources to develop world-saving technology”. Musk didn’t have that charisma but was able to fake it for a while and the develop tech part IMO is more of what makes Tony Stark than the rest of it.
I mean, yeah, tony stark is an asshole. Bruce Wayne could do more for Gotham than Batman ever could. Elon IS like them - he only wants to do anything good (or anything at all) if it brings a spotlight to them
Would I call GME a thriving stock before the hype? I do think their stock price was a little undervalued before the hype, and I think it’s a little over valued now. I certainly agree stock price is not always 1:1 of a company’s health, but it is a fantastic indication for outsiders. But to say telsa is failing because of this news I think is incorrect. Also, to say their stock is doing poorly by any metric I would also say is incorrect. I’m no Wallstreet broker though.
Fair enough. If you really are that confident then buy some short positions and rake in the cash! I’m done playing those games as it’s too volitile and I’m too bad lol mutual funds for me because I can admit I can’t see the future of companies
The whole point is that the market’s irrational, why would I buy shorts and basically gamble away my money? The literal point of this thread chain is that the stock value is disconnected from real-world practicality.
That’s my point with my last comment. It would be gambling because no one can really tell where the company is going. People say they know company X will go up or down but never put their money where their mouth is. If a company fails, the stock will go down. If the company does well, the stock will go up. Absolutely the relationship between company health and stock valuation is a bit blurred, but they are clearly closely related.
I agree they aren’t “failing” yet. But let’s put their price in proper context …
That is a 10%-12% after hours pump. All institutional sellers needed to do was lift any orders they had pinning the price down. While the price could skyrocket tomorrow morning, I think it’s more likely to get more attraction from people wanting to cut their losses. If I had millions in stock, I would want to buffer that price range with orders from people who think after hours prices mean something.
Oh I totally agree and I’m not saying this single day is the biggest day of tesla. Just that this news isn’t singling the end either. But over all, the stock price has done stupidly well. 800% increase in 5 years for a company this size. Absolutely wild, in any context. I have no money in it and don’t plan to, nor will I buy a car from them just to make it clear I’m not a fan boy.
Put gas tanks on Teslas so they can hold gasoline, and the driver can buy gasoline, but it’s not actually burned in the operation of the car. Only if the battery catches fire and the whole thing explodes.
The gas tank need sto have a hole so it can pour straight to the floor, or maybe they could have a feature where every mile they drive their bank automatically donates some money to chevron or someone somewhere gets stabbed
Besides not wanting to buy a product from Musk buying a Tesla simply isn’t an option.
On the newest Model 3 they removed the stalks, I don’t want to press a button on a steering wheel to use the blinker (Doing that in a roundabout sounds like a nightmare).
Besides that Musk seems to think he can do whatever he wants with OTA updates. I wouldn’t want to buy a car that might have some function changed or disabled the next time I’m using it.
Plenty of other manufacturers at this point to choose from.
I already can’t hit the song selection forward/backward button consistently while the wheel is turned. Especially in a roundabout where I always indicate on exit. I don’t have to try it, steering wheel buttons for driving functions fucking suck.
seems to think he can do whatever he wants with OTA updates.
Maybe, and face lawsuits left and right. So far the effect of this has been overwhelmingly positive. This is the first car I’ve had where bug fixes might actually happen, where I have gotten new feature after I bought it, where (some) recalls just happen without any effort from me.
Competition was always going to happen it was just a question of when and to what degree. The established car makers weren’t going to sit around and watch Tesla take their market share. But the rise of Chinese car manufacturers hitting the EV market has been swift and brutal. These are huge companies that are generally unheard of in the West such as BYD.
Edit, the link is almost a year old so I suspect figures have changed a fair bit since.
Yeah, I don’t think most legacy manufacturers can really compete yet and the US ones are backtracking themselves out of the market segment. Chinese manufacturers are a much bigger threat - who would have expected BYD to out-Tesla Tesla and come on stage so big so fast. Here in the US , politicians are trying to set up protectionist barriers but I’m not confident they’ll succeed
Even if he sold Tesla and they are no longer associated, they won’t get a sale from me. In my mind, they and their products are tainted. I hate them with a fervor especially after all the bullshit they pulled against high speed rail. Fuck Tesla.
Anti-repair company that forces you to go into certified Tesla Repair servicers. Potential for obsoletion is high, and so is the potential that they could disable/downgrade older models remotely.
They make most of their money by paying engineers incredibly low wages.
Shockingly there’s not enough fan boys out there to keep them afloat.
I respectable amount of high income individuals would love to have premium long range EVs. Nobody wants to be associated with him. Nobody wants to wait around for 6 hours while the car gets towed if it has a serious breakdown, and nobody wants to deal with resale problems.
The charging network is good, the cars still have some tech in them that is ahead of the competition. But they’re pushing the tech too far they’re taking a page out of Apple’s book and not listening to what people want.
If you’re not going to listen to your customers and you have a horrible image problem, You’re going to have a bad time.
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