derin,

I think the author makes some good points. I’m currently mortified at what’s happening in Gaza; the ridiculous forced relocation that isn’t feasible which will inevitable lead to the deaths of thousands of innocents is horrifying, and shows you that the Israeli military is going too far in its response.

But, holy fucking shit, abducting some 20 somethings from a rave, raping them, then parading their naked bodies around as you chant “Allahu akbar” is a completely separate fucking ordeal, and you’re delusional if you think those people “deserved it” because the rave was held on stolen ground. (another bizarre issue that makes me dislike the modern state of Israel - just fucking stop stealing land from these people, holy shit)

There is a mentality there that is just completely opposed to what I would consider the civilized world (yes, tankies, the civilized world - and, no, spare me your whataboutisms). Hamas literally fights for the destruction of Israel and the establishment of its own Caliph; a state in which they’ll be permitted to abuse humans and commit whatever atrocities they want - just like all of these Islamic caliphates.

I stand by all the innocents on both sides, above all. But, getting to the perpetrators, as much as I dislike the modern state of Israel, I possess no burning hatred for them as I do Hamas. They are animals.

Fuck I really hate this timeline…

Edit: Just to clear up my point, I’m arguing that Hamas does not seem to be fighting “for their freedom”, or anything noble. They’re fighting for the right to be monsters, and are using innocent people in Gaza as human shields to accomplish that. Fuck Netanyahu for propping them up in the first place, the piece of shit…

CorrodedCranium,
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I get what the article is trying to say but it really seems to ignore or to try to overlook a sizable chunk of history in the region in an effort to come off as befuddled as why this would ever happen.


The article jumps back and forth making it a bit hard to quote but here’s a section of it

That there was no pause even for provisional pity among the progressive supporters of Hamas in the west is scarcely less shocking than the pitiless acts themselves. Allow the fallacious narrative that Zionists dropped out of a clear blue sky to occupy someone else’s country, and you would still expect some inhalation of breath, some space for shock or sorrow, some admission that when they shouted, “From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free”, even the most fervent anti-Zionists never envisaged freedom-taking in quite so bloody a form. But no. Ere yet that blood had dried, the victims of this unimaginable horror were normalised into burglars who had broken into someone else’s house and got what they deserved. Hard cheese. If you don’t want to be cut down at a music festival, opined one Soas-educated scholar, how about, “don’t have musical festivals on stolen land?”

LineNoise,

Apartheid as a regime is never the victim by definition.

In binding them by law, in making non-participation in that regime of apartheid the act of a true outlaw, the unwilling and the unaware within the oppressor group are victims. But of the regime, not the oppressed.

Choose who you lash out at carefully lest you find yourself acting for the regime rather than against it.

CookieJarObserver,

Of course. Typical tankie behavior.

PugJesus, (edited )
PugJesus avatar

"I am very sad for those Gazan children who are murdered and the many hundreds more that will be murdered (even though they're animals and have all been indoctrinated, let me reiterate), but have you considered that there are antisemites in the West? Is anti-zionism just antisemitism in disguise? I'm just asking questions. Also Israel is 'our' lifeboat, please don't look too deeply into the circumstances of its current borders."

tallwookie,

Socrates just asked questions, but it ended badly for him. perhaps Howard should have studied history a bit more…

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