dougiec3, to random
@dougiec3@libretooth.gr avatar

"The Democrats would respond not by moving in the direction of working for the people. They responded by scapegoating their losses onto the Green Party.
They’re great scapegoaters—they never look at themselves in the mirror.
I love that phrase. “This is not the time.” If you go lesser-of-two-evils every four years, you’re gonna go lower. A liberal Republican from the 1970s now would be considered a progressive Democrat. That’s how far the Republicans have gone."
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/04/ralph-nader-third-party-politics-2024-interview/?utm_source=mj-newsletters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily-newsletter-04-17-2024

barney, to politics in Ralph Nader Would Like to Stop Having to Explain Why the Spoiler Coverage Is Stupid
@barney@mas.to avatar

@mozz

Then maybe he should shut up.

This garbage that you're posting is extremely offensive, @mozz. A national abortion ban would subject hundreds of millions of women to potential medical atrocities. Trump is promising to round up approximately ten million Latinos and send them to concentration camps.

Ralph Nader, Mother Jones, and you are helping to make that happen.

ricardoharvin, to random
@ricardoharvin@mstdn.social avatar

Re: last reboost - For me, preventing victories in as many as possible this year is a bare minimum first goal in a series of many to achieve the transformational results the majority of us seem to want, and definitely need.

No hyperbole: It should be evident now that if we fail and allow a Republican or their control (or stalemate) of either body of , or similar or greater control of state and local positions as now, we're doomed, or dead.

ricardoharvin,
@ricardoharvin@mstdn.social avatar

I've never liked (but voted for him), and since 1980 have hated the cowardice and complicity of the party to the point where I didn't vote in 1988-1992.

I voted independent in 1980 and 2000 (, ) in a futile effort to signal my disgust, both times ending in the worst possible result.

The are the emergency, worst case option, like the levees around .

Unfortunately, until we collectively build better solutions, we drown without them.

rchusid, to random
@rchusid@med-mastodon.com avatar

These days Vote Blue No Matter Who means voting for a war criminal who supports genocide, mass incarceration, mass surveillance, has destroyed pandemic precautions and has undermined democracy. Instead Vote Green.

MugsysRapSheet,
@MugsysRapSheet@mastodon.social avatar

@philip_cardella @TonyStark @CivilityFan @axeshun
Actually, that isn't true (technically maybe, assuming voters showed up to vote for .)

Let's focus on the TRUE cause: The brother of the nominee was the governor of Florida. The two of them exchanged "convict lists" to kick anyone with a "similar" name convicted of a crime off the voter roles (despite no evidence Texas convicts had voted in Florida.

Some 60,000 black & Hispanic voters were kicked off the voter roles.

MugsysRapSheet,
@MugsysRapSheet@mastodon.social avatar

@TonyStark @philip_cardella @CivilityFan @axeshun
You're acting like this is a chronic problem.

You have to remember the political climate in 2000. Bush was seen as incompetent. Gore was handicapped by Clinton's impeachment & sexual misbehavior (remember when those things actually mattered to the ?)

saw an opening as support for the other two parties was below 50%.

This was also just 8 years after made it seem like a 3rd Party candidate could actually win.

killick, to random

This guy. Ralph Nader. If he can stop the Greens from supporting Cornell West, fine. But I will not forget his vanity campaign that gave us 8 years of Dubya Bush.
Gift article from WaPo: https://wapo.st/3RvdANj

pluralistic, to random
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

Does anyone like the US ? The parties are opaque, private orgs, weak institutions, prone to capture and corruption, and 's "safe seats" means the real election takes place in the party's smoke-filled rooms, selecting the sure-thing candidate:

https://doctorow.medium.com/weak-institutions-a26a20927b27

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If you'd like an essay-formatted version of this thread to read or share, here's a link to it on pluralistic.net, my surveillance-free, ad-free, tracker-free blog:

https://pluralistic.net/2023/08/17/popular-front-of-judea/#speaking-frankly

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pluralistic,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

The and campaigns were doomed from the outset, in other words. Either candidate could have been far more popular than the D and R on the ballot, and they still would have lost. It's how the deck is stacked, and to unstack it, reformers would need to take charge of at least one - and probably both - of the parties.

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