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001100010010, 9 months ago

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SwingingKoala, 10 months ago

Their post about the meetings with reddit:

Moderators of r/blind—along with moderators in other communities who use assistive technologies and Reddit users with accessibility expertise—had a Zoom meeting with representatives at Reddit on Friday, June 16, 2023. While the call was promising in that Reddit invited us to be part of continuing dialog and demonstrated some well-conceived accessible designs for Reddit users, we came away with serious concerns which Reddit was either unable or unwilling to address during the meeting.

Reddit is currently prioritizing accessibility for users rather than for moderators, and representatives were unwilling to provide timelines by when Reddit’s moderation tools would be accessible for screen reader users. Further, Reddit representatives seemed unaware that blind moderators rely on third-party applications because Reddit’s moderation tools present significant accessibility challenges. They also seemed unaware that the apps which have so far received exemptions from API pricing do not have sufficient moderation functions. u/NTCarver0 explained that blind moderators will be unable to ensure safety for our communities—as well as for Reddit in general—without accessible moderation systems, and asked Reddit representatives how blind moderators were supposed to effectively moderate our communities without them. Reddit representatives deferred the question, stating they would have to take notes and get back with us. A fellow moderator, u/MostlyBlindGamer, also pointed out that blind moderators who are unable to effectively moderate the subreddit and thus will become inactive may be removed at Reddit’s discretion per policy, and that such removal would leave r/Blind with no blind moderators. Reddit representatives also deferred comment on this issue.

Reddit representatives refused to answer questions concerning the formal certifications, accreditations or qualifications of employees tasked with ensuring universal accessibility. These certifications demonstrate that a professional has the knowledge necessary to create universally-accessible software and/or documents. Because Reddit cannot confirm that employees tasked with universal accessibility hold appropriate certifications or that the company will provide for such training and certification, we have concerns that employees do not have the appropriate knowledge to effectively ensure access for all assistive technology users both at present and in the future. Reddit has also indicated there are not currently any employees who work full-time on accessibility. This is a necessity for any organization as large and influential as Reddit.

Reddit representatives had previously disclosed to r/Blind moderators that an accessibility audit had been performed by a third-party company, however they refused to answer questions as to what company performed the audit or how the audit was conducted. Answers to these questions would have allowed us to determine whether the audit was performed by an accredited organization known for credible and thorough work. Reddit also could not answer questions as to what assistive technologies, such as screen readers, screen magnifiers, dictation softwares, etc., were used during the audit. Bluntly, we cannot know the thoroughness or scope of the audit—and therefore the extent to which Reddit is aware of the accessibility barriers present in their website and apps—without this information.

During the previous meeting, Reddit representatives raised a question regarding perceived disparities between the accessibility of the iOS and Android apps, suggesting the audit did not confirm that the accessibility failings in the iOS app are much more severe than those present in the Android app. During the latest meeting, u/MostlyBlindGamer explained that the iOS app has no labels for the ubiquitous and essential upvote and downvote buttons while the Android app does. This question raises the concern that Reddit representatives may not have a full and actionable understanding of the issues at stake or, in fact, the exact accessibility failings in their apps.

Reddit representatives narrowly defined the scope of the latest meeting less than an hour ahead of it, explicitly excluding third-party apps and API pricing from the conversation. They did acknowledge that this made it difficult to adequately prepare for the meeting.

Reddit refused to define the term “accessibility-focused app,” alleging that this was outside the cope of the meeting. This term is not industry-standard and was instead created when Reddit carved out an exemption in their upcoming API policies for third-party apps used by blind people to access the platform. Without this definition, we are unable to ascertain whether apps that have not been approved but are nevertheless relied upon by community members qualify for an exemption.

Reddit gave no firm commitments as to when accessibility improvements would be rolled out to the website or apps. However, it is obvious that the Reddit website and apps will not be ready for disabled users—and especially moderators—by July 1.

In general, moderators of r/Blind who attended the call came away with mixed impressions. Reddit seems to be somewhat aware of the myriad accessibility barriers present in their applications and website, and the company appears to be laying the groundwork to fix issues which they are aware of. This is excellent news. However, we also feel that Reddit does not know what it does not know, and this lack of knowledge is exasperating, disheartening, and exhausting. We also came away frustrated that Reddit representatives were either unwilling or unable to answer prudent and pertinent questions which would allow us to determine not only how we can best keep our community safe and healthy, but also whether Reddit is truly prepared to commit to ensuring accessibility for all disabled users both now and in the future. Finally, we hope that our concerns—especially those pertaining to moderation—will be addressed expeditiously and satisfactorily, thus assuring that r/Blind can operate effectively well into the future. Despite our concerns, we remain open to continued dialog with Reddit in the hope that it will foster a more accessible platform.

0xtero, 10 months ago

You can blacklist sites you don't want to see.
Go to https://kbin.social/d/<the instance domain name you want to block>
For example: https://kbin.social/d/sh.itjust.works

On the right side-bar, in the Domain box, you'll see this you'll see this
Click on the block symbol and you will not see content from that domain again.

(hopefully)

themadcodger, 11 months ago

I was on Reddit more than a decade, since before the Digg migration and used it probably daily. I won't be going back save to delete my accounts.

Is kbin and the fediverse perfect? No. Will be a Reddit killer? I actually don't care. A lot of people seem to have this idea that Mastodon failed after Twitter started imploding because [insert reason]. I argue it was a resounding success, and kbin/Lemmy very might well be too. The fediverse isn't backed by VCs and has no need to scale immeasurably in order to corner the market or whatever capitalist speak they use. It's its own thing, and as long as it's being used and growing, it's a success.

The fediverse is a lot like how the web used to be in the days before we handed control of it over to like five companies. What we're building here is amazing and wresting control away from corporate interests. So whether or not it is the link aggregation site or just something a percentage of people use, is really irrelevant as long as it's being used.

So for that reason, I'm sticking it out with the fediverse.

MrsEaves, 11 months ago

Thank you so much for all your hard work! /kbin is what I needed to make the switch to the Fediverse for link aggregation. I looked at Lemmy a while back and for whatever reason, it wasn’t quite a fit for me. Pulling in Mastodon content automatically and threading it is one of my favorite features. Looking forward to the login timeout and upvote/favorite changes!

jeena, 11 months ago

Yes exactly, I call myself very left but the minute I tried /kbin a thread about china from lemmy.ml showed up and there full of Tianomon Square deniers I tried to engage but just after half an hour I was almost done with the whole reddit alternative and was on my way to delete my account.

People are put off of extremist places and don't want to join them, think they are lost already to the extremists. Both online and in real life.

ernest, 11 months ago

Yep, I'm working on solving this problem. I want everything to be clear in the end. However, in the meantime, I need your help to use the reporting option in such situations.

SparkIT, 11 months ago

On the top right of the page, near your nickname, there's a menu where you can select Subscribed.

jdp23, 11 months ago

yes a great opportunity to experiment. thanks for doing this!

hybridhavoc, 11 months ago

It's not on the Lemmy server list because it's not a Lemmy server. It's a kbin server. Different software, just interoperable.

dxzdb, 11 months ago

@tojikomori yes, I’m very interested in what use cases they’ve worked out… and I too have no interest in gaming.

Not a first for me though: HomePods with no line-in are “nope” for me.

And I waited for years with an old AppleTV until they fixed the Siri remote.