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Di seguito il post di @snarfed.org@snarfed.org che dimostra una non comune efficacia nella più trasparente comunicazione dello sviluppo e aggiornamento del bridge tra e

Tempo di aggiornamento dello stato del Bridgy Fed! Sono state un paio di settimane impegnative. Sono felice di riferire che ho fatto notevoli progressi su tre dei miei quattro obiettivi dell'ultima volta (affidabilità, ritardi e bug) e ho migliorato una serie di altre cose lungo il percorso. Ecco un esempio:

  • Modificato Bluesky => fediverso dal polling al firehose . Ciò lo ha reso molto meno traballante e ha ridotto il ritardo di 5-15 m a pochi secondi.
  • Risolto il problema con fediverse => Bluesky rimaneva bloccato per molti account. Ho preso alcune scorciatoie nella mia infrastruttura Bluesky e sono tornate a mordermi. C'è ancora del lavoro da fare, ma i problemi visibili agli utenti dovrebbero essere in gran parte risolti.
  • Vari problemi con la ricerca degli account bot, il loro seguito e l'avvio del bridge .
    Immagini fisse in Bluesky => post fediverse.
    Implementata l'eliminazione dei post, Bluesky => fediverse. (Fediverse => Bluesky stava già funzionando.)
  • Risolto il problema relativo al bridging delle risposte in entrambe le direzioni.
  • Risolti collegamenti , menzioni e hashtag , in entrambe le direzioni . Ancora alcuni pezzi rotti qui, in particolare i riferimenti a Bluesky => fediverse, ma per il resto ora dovrebbero essere molto migliori.
  • Primo passaggio al filtraggio dello spam.

A parte le manichette antincendio, un'area degna di nota su cui non mi sono ancora concentrato è l'infrastruttura . Finora la scalabilità è ok, ma potrebbe essere molto migliore e molto più efficiente. Dovrò lavorarci su presto. Se noti che passa un po' di tempo senza molti miglioramenti visibili all'utente, probabilmente è proprio quello che sta succedendo.

Altrimenti, grazie per tutti i feedback, le domande e le segnalazioni di bug ! Per favore, continuate a farli arrivare. Come sempre, puoi seguire l' etichetta now in GitHub per vedere su cosa mi sto concentrando. Ci vediamo sul ponte!

brianvastag,
@brianvastag@sciencemastodon.com avatar

Deleted my account. Turning into another fucking twitter over there.

vegos_f06,

@brianvastag J. Dorsey left!

Cheesealicious,
@Cheesealicious@snaggletooth.life avatar

I'm thinking of checking out now that dorsey left, but I can't find a list of bluesky servers/instances. Is the federation feature too new? I just don't wanna do bluesky.social because I don't want the bs of being in a mainstream instance.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@Cheesealicious There's also no such thing as "The Algorithm" on Bluesky like on Twitter/Threads. There is instead a system where anyone can built their own "feeds" that pick posts using any filter or algorithm, and there's something like 50k of them right now. You can follow and pin any of them, and now you can even replace the default "Following" feed with some feed that you like.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@Cheesealicious So, on the Fediverse, the instance is your community, your handle, hosts your data, does moderation for you and serves a web UI.

On , you use bsky.app (or 3rd party app) as the UI, host data on the PDS, use any domain as the handle, subscribe to some number of selected moderation services, and use search, hashtags and custom feeds to find interesting content and people.

davidbisset,
@davidbisset@phpc.social avatar

At this point, if you go to #Bluesky just to document bad things happening to that particular social network or to report back to #Mastodon what people on a social network say about people here… I envy the time you have at your disposal.

bobmagicii,
@bobmagicii@phpc.social avatar

@davidbisset for real i barely have enough time to make fun of the people here, yet alone a 2nd network.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

I sometimes wonder how things would've looked on if the first beta had been ready just 6 months earlier, if all those people who left Twitter for Mastodon could have gone there…

I've just checked the hashtag feed for and apparently there were 19 posts in total… (and 9 of those from me) 😕

pshadov,
@pshadov@mas.to avatar

@mackuba but what about #swift :D

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@pshadov … you know what… I haven't actually checked, because I assumed it would be just Taylor Swift, but there's actually quite a lot of relevant posts on #swift apparently 😄

fenarinarsa,
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe avatar

Bluesky now allows you to unpin or even remove the default "Following" feed and make any other custom feed the default one.

The "Following" feed is the chronological one by Bluesky but there's thousands of other custom algorithmic feeds created by other users and generated by federated third party servers.

axx,
@axx@mstdn.fr avatar

@fenarinarsa So this is happening. It was a goal of Bluesky and the AT protocol, and it is becoming a reality, which is neat.

fenarinarsa,
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe avatar

@axx yup federated feeds has been a reality since almost a year.
Now everything else is federated, including moderation.

Other apps have been built on ATproto as well
https://fediversereport.com/video-audio-and-blogging-japanese-bluesky-is-building-in-the-atmosphere/

And there’s also a bridge between ATproto and ActivityPub
https://www.fenarinarsa.com/?p=3176

fediversereport,
@fediversereport@mastodon.social avatar

New: Video, audio and blogging: Japanese #Bluesky is building in the ATmosphere

I take a look at 3 new products build on #atproto

Blogging with whtwnd.com
Video with bluemotion.app
Audio spaces with bluecast.app

Read at: https://fediversereport.com/video-audio-and-blogging-japanese-bluesky-is-building-in-the-atmosphere/

seanbala,
@seanbala@mas.to avatar

@fediversereport Thank you for sharing. It is exciting to see what is happening! I think your point at the end is really worth considering: is and the interested in multiple apps or is it merely a vehicle for microblogging? I don't have technical background, but I suspect that the decentralization for BSKY is more for show than practice. Critique all we like but I do think the commitment to platform diversity is there and is practiced.

maegul,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

@seanbala @fediversereport

There are problems here too. I suspect this is a fundamental issue that decentralised social media hasn’t taken seriously enough. It’s a bit like back and front end people not working together well. Protocol people can be inclined to underestimate the importance of what happens in the client, which IMO is where federation actually happens, as it’s there that platforms and UIs need to get stitched together.

I’ve ranted about this before (eg: https://hachyderm.io/@maegul/112319245679533802)

fenarinarsa,
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe avatar

Bridgy Fed: how to enable federation with Bluesky for your account.

https://www.fenarinarsa.com/?p=3176

I tried to keep it short and simple.

#bluesky #fediverse

fenarinarsa,
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe avatar

@Yamakyu Pour une fois que je reçois un badge de MVP XD

Yamakyu,

@fenarinarsa À mon avis t'en mérite d'autres, vu ton dévouement pour aider à naviguer et s'y retrouver dans le post-Twitter :torcat_keur:

migratory, Spanish
@migratory@jorts.horse avatar

I clicked a toot or whatever they're called and it turns out they've implemented the most critical twitter feature: in-page loading spinners that make you wait several seconds for no fucking reason before you can read less than a kilobyte of text

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@migratory Officially "post", unofficially "skeet" 🙃

kohane,
@kohane@cupoftea.social avatar
emmecola,
@emmecola@mastodon.uno avatar

I have tested @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy and I really like the idea. However, now I would like to quit and delete my mirrored account on . How can I do it? I have blocked @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy so that he can't follow me, but I still see my mirrored account on Bluesky.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@emmecola I think this might not be implemented yet, but probably coming soon, I think it's this: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/1027

I've pinged the Bridge author on Bluesky.

hgrsd,
@hgrsd@hachyderm.io avatar

I'm trying to get a sense of what Bluesky is like. Do I have any followers who are active there, too? Would love to connect.

I'm at @hgrsd.bsky.social :)

Not leaving here, just exploring the world of social media.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@hgrsd 👋 I'm here and there (more there) :)

beatnikprof,
@beatnikprof@mas.to avatar

What is the point of ? There is no engagement, and there is no joy.

ColesStreetPothole,
@ColesStreetPothole@weatherishappening.network avatar

@beatnikprof I know no one IRL on there. There doesn't seem to be community migration to that platform, just brands.

beatnikprof,
@beatnikprof@mas.to avatar

@ColesStreetPothole There’s a lot of yelling. A lot.

hello,
@hello@social.wedistribute.org avatar

It's now possible to connect and accounts together, and talk across a bridge! We get into the nuts and bolts of how it works, and what you can do to get started!

https://wedistribute.org/2024/05/fediverse-bluesky-bridge/

deadsuperhero,
@deadsuperhero@social.wedistribute.org avatar

@grishka @hello I’ll be honest, this didn’t use to exist on the site. I’m not totally sure wtf I toggled, but it’s unintentional.

deadsuperhero,
@deadsuperhero@social.wedistribute.org avatar

@grishka @hello Figured it out, should be good now.

kaffeeringe, (edited ) German
@kaffeeringe@social.tchncs.de avatar

Das perfekte Social-Network! Ohne Moderation! Was könnte schiefgehen?

Gründer Jack Dorsey wollte ein Netzwerk schaffen, aus dem niemand gekickt werden kann. Wegen Meinungsfreiheit usw.

https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2024/05/10/jack-dorsey-bluesky-decentralised-social-networks-and-the-very-common-crowd/

leobm,
@leobm@norden.social avatar

@kaffeeringe ich glaube er ist bei Nostr engagiert.

kaffeeringe,
@kaffeeringe@social.tchncs.de avatar

@leobm In dem Artikel liest es sich so, als sei das vor Bluesky gewesen.

gonzalo,
@gonzalo@hcommons.social avatar

I think I can now post on from my Mastodon account through the bot
@bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@gonzalo I can see you there :) (not this post yet though)

jraedisch,
@jraedisch@mastodon.social avatar

Major #BlueSky use case: “Is #Mastodon down?”.

dusnm,
@dusnm@fosstodon.org avatar

This is what considers a perfectly acceptable implementation of a two-factor authentication system.

Just send an email with the 2FA code. This is insanely irresponsible and I'm sure they know it.

Since most people unfortunately reuse passwords, any sane person must reasonably assume the email is likely to be compromised as well...

I have no clue why they don't use . Unless the attacker has access to the device with the shared secret, it's borderline impossible to defeat.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@dusnm This is a temporary solution they've implemented very recently as a "quick fix" because some accounts really needed it, and a proper implementation was still a bit away. They're working on a more complete authentication system with OAuth and proper 2FA, which should be available maybe in a couple of months.

dusnm,
@dusnm@fosstodon.org avatar

@mackuba TOTP can be considered a "quick fix" as it's trivial to implement.

josemurilo, Portuguese
@josemurilo@mato.social avatar

"#Jack recently deleted his account on #Bluesky, once pitched—by him—as #socialmedia’s decentralized solution to censorship, and left the company’s board. I reached out and asked him why, which is where our call began…what follows is a missing chapter of internet history that sheds light not only on Bluesky, but #Twitter, X, and the past 5 years of censorship & backlash. The future will be decentralized, or it won’t be free."
https://www.piratewires.com/p/interview-with-jack-dorsey-mike-solana

seachanger,
@seachanger@alaskan.social avatar

@josemurilo that is a fascinating and bizarre read

marix1,
@marix1@mastodon.social avatar

https://www.piratewires.com/p/interview-with-jack-dorsey-mike-solana

Interesting interview with Jack Dorsey. Why he left #Bluesky , the relationship with Twitter and what he thinks about #nostr.

Where I agree with him: The importance of identity handling and the need to divide (commercial) platform and protocol.

rolle,
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

Bluesky enthusiasts are stating that Bluesky has ”plans” to make ATProto universal and transfer it to W3C or the like. Well, there is no evidence that Bluesky wants to give up control or the protocol is going to be widely adopted after 5 years of development so forgive me being sceptical. The story is a bit different with ActivityPub.

torgo,
@torgo@mastodon.social avatar

@rolle agree. If they were serious about this, they would commit to participate in social web working group and to moving toward full federation with the rest of the #Fediverse, instead of scoffing at anyone who raises these points.

schalkneethling,
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yachtie,
@yachtie@mastodon.social avatar

Why there aren’t any leading news organizations on @Mastodon? is on but not here.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@yachtie @Mastodon They tend to not like journalists here (although tbh Bluesky also has this problem)…

Richard_Littler,
@Richard_Littler@mastodon.social avatar

Jack Dorsey is furious that has attracted "very very common" people. He also doesn't like the idea of moderation tools facilitating the banning of racists.

All these tech billionaires are like a version of the movie Big, in which a pre-adolescent boy wakes up in the body of an aging Howard Hughes. Or Colonel Kurtz. Or a sardine.

anathema_device,
@anathema_device@bne.social avatar
binaryphile,
@binaryphile@fosstodon.org avatar
arnelson,
@arnelson@fosstodon.org avatar

The is great from the Fediverse side, but the side is still missing a lot. Posts longer than the limit just get truncated; wouldn't a Read More link be better? And self-replies don't seem to get bridged at all, so threads don't work.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@arnelson Yeah, I think this is all on the task list

TVPaulD,
@TVPaulD@mastodon.social avatar

If I could have one app that combined what all four of these Apps do, I would be so happy

rolle,
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

@TVPaulD In some form you will, because Threads is implementing ActivityPub and Bluesky can be bridged via BridgyFed. In the future it would be possible to just use one to access them all.

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