arnelson, to bluesky
@arnelson@fosstodon.org avatar

The is great from the Fediverse side, but the side is still missing a lot. Posts longer than the limit just get truncated; wouldn't a Read More link be better? And self-replies don't seem to get bridged at all, so threads don't work.

mackuba, to bluesky
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

The by Snarfed was soft-launched this week - still very alpha and a lot of things don't work, but posts are starting to come through both ways 🙂

Right now you need to follow the bridge to get bridged (the DM-request mechanism isn't finished yet). I'm tracking the bridged accounts (M->B) here: https://blue.mackuba.eu/directory/fedi

rolle, to bluesky
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

Slowly, but surely my Mastodon posts (this one included) are showing up on Bluesky. Bridgy.fed kicks in. Thanks to @snarfed.org@snarfed.org for all the hard work.

majorlinux, to ai
@majorlinux@toot.majorshouse.com avatar

Opt-out is never the answer when it comes to users work, data, and privacy!

Automattic isn't protecting user choice when it comes to gAI - Desk Chair Analysts

https://dcanalysts.net/automattic-isnt-protecting-user-choice-when-it-comes-to-gai/

Jezebelley,
@Jezebelley@mstdn.social avatar

@majorlinux this is the same way I feel about the

UlrikeHahn, to random
@UlrikeHahn@fediscience.org avatar

I wrote something on the and surrounding debate

https://write.as/ulrikehahn/bridging-to-bluesky-the-open-social-web-consent-and-gdpr

I had hope would produce such analyses but I couldn't find anything so there we are...

all comments (and corrections!) welcome!

J12t, to fediverse
@J12t@social.coop avatar

In preparation for #FediForum and various other things, I'd love to hear people's opinions on:

  • what are the next three things we need to accomplish in the #Fediverse? (anything goes, from tech to moderation to funding to ...)

  • how would we go about this?

J12t,
@J12t@social.coop avatar

@kern One of the concerns people bring up when products such as wish to connect to the Fediverse, or somebody builds or such is that it exposes vulnerable people in a way they don't want to be exposed. That's a very valid concern. It seems there could be shared allowlists that define very specific communities and keep them safe according to what feels safe just to them. Say, specific PTSD triggers. Is that kind of thing what you have in mind?

chrismessina, to random
@chrismessina@mastodon.xyz avatar
mackuba, to bluesky
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar
gordon, to random
@gordon@mastodon.social avatar

bridges two permissionless protocols

“noooooo nobody asked my permission!! nooooooo!!!”

happyborg,
@happyborg@fosstodon.org avatar

@gordon
Make fun if you like but it shows that doesn't have what it takes to power and operate with consent of individuals.

We're still beholden to server owners.

It's the same problem that opt-in consent laws have begun to push back against, and it matters here even more where the whole point of is supposed to be preventing those kinds of abuse.

This is why I say the is a lifeboat and will be the shore.

det, to random
@det@hachyderm.io avatar

While part of me wants to write off this business as...well, the thing Bluesky people mock Mastodon people for, there is a little bit of there there. One is that from a user perspective, many do actually feel they've "opted out" of corporate social media, and that bridging is dragging them back against their will. Presumably the same feeling re: Threads.

det,
@det@hachyderm.io avatar

Now, should there be a ? In my opinion, nah. Bluesky and the Fediverse are very techncially different, and any bridge is likely to be a hack that loses functionality in both directions. Bluesky itself (the PBC or the software stack) could implement an ActivityPub layer, but I figure if someone is on Bluesky and not on the Fedi (or vice versa), there's probably a reason. That said, some people even used Twitter-Fedi bridging, so 🤷‍♂️

dentangle, to random
@dentangle@chaos.social avatar

Imagine you are sitting in your favorite café. The food is good, the coffee is better, and you know all the regulars. Sure, you're in public, but it's a public you've chosen.

As you drink your coffee, you hear a rumble and a crash. One of the walls has been knocked thru from the McDonalds next door. The sights, sounds and smells come in, as do the people. A guy wearing a MAGA t-shirt and a mouth full of burger comes over to sit at your table.

Consent matters, even in public.

mima, to github

I mean I just told people in that #GitHub thread to stop with the threats of suing/litigating against the #bridgyfed developer and the #FLOSS/#FOSS project and I got instantly dunked on. The initiator of the issue got dramatic, despite them not really giving out legal threats to the dev (like why did you feel hurt by that generalistic statement? ​:SanaeConfuzzled:​) I guess it's easy for the #fediverse to just not care how such a litigious attitude can be damaging. I mean, who would want to work in such an environment knowing that people around you want you jailed? ​:reimu_sigh:​

We're fucking lucky that the developer gave us a heads up, an approximate timeframe (where the launch is at least a month away), and was mature in their responses. And even more lucky that despite all those legal threats and mudslinging the dev still continued engaging respectfully with the criticisms and offered an opt-in method that people I knew were vocal against the bridge's opt-out, accepted. Seriously, @snarfed.org@fed.brid.gy deserves some credit for keeping up a cool head and rest from all of that mess.

Yet most of those vocal detractors couldn't just resist acting like immature people throwing out #GDPR and comparing the dev to rapists in an effort to scare them out of fedi. One of the #ActivityPub authors/founders even had to show up in the thread to clarify how those detractors got their understanding of how the fediverse works wrong. ​:ablobcateyeroll:​

#fediversemeta #bridgy #bluesky #blueskybridge

RE: https://desu.social/users/pixel/statuses/111928612924814849

Steve, to random
@Steve@mstdn.co.uk avatar

I see it’s all gone off over a and I’m just sitting here waiting for a decent crossposter. Just because I’m lazy and copy and pasting something to two platforms is tiring.

Although, I’m not against the bridge idea. I haven’t looked deep into it but isn’t it just a different way of connecting to another server?

jmanumeza, to fediverse Spanish
@jmanumeza@mstdn.mx avatar

¿Cómo está el chisme de ? me parece que se quieren unir al pero sin usar

jmanumeza,
@jmanumeza@mstdn.mx avatar

@categulario ahí en la etiqueta está el chisme, calientito, de calidad. Nadie en español ha comentado aún, al parecer

denizarslann, to Quotes

Courage is the most important of all the virtues because without courage, you can't practice any other virtue consistently.

― Maya Angelou

video/mp4

happyborg, to mastodon
@happyborg@fosstodon.org avatar

Opt-out is not consent.

Everyone knows this and yet many admins continue to abuse us.

Where are the good guys?

mackuba, to random
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

This is a question that I've asked myself more than once in the last year+ (not only on Mastodon, happens on Bluesky too)…

noellemitchell, to bluesky
@noellemitchell@mstdn.social avatar

Why is there a ? If I wanted to be on I would just join Bluesky. 😒

mackuba, to bluesky
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar
carlile, to random
@carlile@veganism.social avatar

Veganism.Social has implemented a block on the newly created "" which aims to link public BlueSky posts with the Fediverse, and allows BlueSky to access and scrape our data. This bridge is being "forced" upon the Fediverse with a bizarre opt-out approach, which in itself goes against the nature of the Fediverse.

We urge other instances to impose the same block, especially those that are already blocking Threads.

More info on the bridge can be found here: https://snarfed.org/2024-02-12_52106

mackuba, to bluesky
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

Man, I'm so happy to not be building any software for ActivityPub, I dodged a bullet there by reading a bunch of these threads early on… https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/835

naan, to random
@naan@sakurajima.moe avatar

For the people asking about GDPR issues with -- the developer's talked about it here:

https://brid.gy/about#gdpr

And here: https://brid.gy/about#eu-data

And for those in California, USA: https://brid.gy/about#ccpa

And because I have yet to see anyone pipe up about Bluesky's federation angle coupled with GDPR when discussing Bridgy's GDPR issues, here is the best I could find: https://bsky.social/about/support/privacy-policy#supplement-jurisdiction

Remember to always search and verify to the best of your ability :blobfoxcomfycomputer:

naan,
@naan@sakurajima.moe avatar

Looks like I used the wrong hashtag (figures, lmao) -- for folks interested in whether Bridgy respects GDPR rules, please look at the post above :blobfoxcomfycomputer: I found the links where the developer explains how Bridgy works within GDPR.

anianimalsmoe,
@anianimalsmoe@sakurajima.moe avatar

@naan
The main rule to refer to is GDPR article 14. I'm not a lawyer, but this case makes me think that he probably has no legal standing because it would be simple for him to inform every account and ask permission to opt-in.

Even this huge company that claimed asking permission by post was too expensive was still fined, specifically "UODO stated that contacting affected individuals would not be impossible or involve a disproportionately large effort."

https://www.technologylawdispatch.com/2019/04/privacy-data-protection/processing-publically-available-personal-data-without-telling-data-subjects-the-polish-data-protection-authority-has-bad-news-for-you/

So if he does implement it, someone from Poland could probably complain to UODO and get a similar ruling against him easily. :leafeonmoney:

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