All Things Usenet

Htbaa,
@Htbaa@fosstodon.org avatar

Time to kill off one of my oldest subscriptions. Have been using a paid provider for nearly 20 years. About 5-6 years ago I could upgrade to a yearly subscription for a big discount (compared to the prices they would introduce shortly after). But I haven't really used Usenet for anything at all in the last years.

Somehow cancelling the subscription gives me FOMO for some reason. Can never get it back for that price again. But then again, why would I want Usenet access again...

Htbaa,
@Htbaa@fosstodon.org avatar

@amoroso To be totally honest I only used Usenet to download stuff (which I haven't done for years now, mind you :-)). Have never seen it being used as a discussion forum or sharing of info. But looks like Eternal September is a traditional Usenet server in that regard.

amoroso,
@amoroso@fosstodon.org avatar

@Htbaa Yes, it's a traditional server. I subscribe only to discussion groups, so I'm not familiar with binary ones.

josemurilo,
@josemurilo@mato.social avatar

"Today, many folks look back with fondness on the early days of computer-based messaging. Depending on age, they may wax nostalgic for , or . All these technologies still exist, although either barely used or are full of spam. It’s hard not to think that something may have been lost.
Perhaps the future isn’t one of endless growth for all-powerful corporations but a return to smaller, more personal “third spaces” where we can feel comfortable."
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/first-post-a-history-of-online-public-messaging/

rek2,
@rek2@hispagatos.space avatar

This is a list of free providers of Usenet server access. Several carry groups in French, German, Spanish, Polish, and Russian. If you know of any that should be added to the list please email the admin of this site. https://sybershock.com/#usenet @hispagatos

nothing,
@nothing@hispagatos.space avatar

@rek2 @hispagatos cookies! :awesome_rotate:

metin,
@metin@graphics.social avatar

From the ar(t)chive…

3D illustration for a 2006 issue of the Dutch ComputerTotaal magazine, about the SABNZBD tool, which was (is?) much-used for concatenating multi-part downloads from Usenet newsgroups.

daniel,
@daniel@social.dhelonious.de avatar

@metin This is a very nice illustration for a Usenet downloader! I like the low-poly style of the machine 🙂

But who is in this picture? I have a vague feeling of familiarity, but I probably don't know this person 😅

metin,
@metin@graphics.social avatar

@daniel Thanks Daniel!

The fragmented picture is Jack Nicholson in The Shining, one of my all-time favorite films:

https://letterboxd.com/metinseven/film/the-shining/

dillo,
@dillo@fosstodon.org avatar

Playing with a plugin for to read messages. Posting may be doable too.

CC @yeti

The rest of the message.

njsg,
@njsg@social.sdf.org avatar

@yeti @dillo /me again wonders why #MastodonWebUI stopped linkifying news: addresses

Sure, I can copy and paste in another tab, but this is still a downgrade from the previous behaviour...

(Sorry for the OT)

#NetNews

dillo,
@dillo@fosstodon.org avatar

@yeti is probably a good time to switch to another language other than Bash script.

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zeruch,
@zeruch@mastodon.social avatar

", or NetNews, is a text-only social discussions forum, or rather a set of a great many forums, called "newsgroups," carried by multiple servers around the world. Although the original developers closed down their instance in 2010, that was just one server out of hundreds, and many are still running just fine. It never went away – it's still alive, you can get on it for free, and there is a choice of client apps for most OSes to help you navigate."

https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/30/usenet_revival/

zeruch,
@zeruch@mastodon.social avatar

@ChrisWere it's still a PITA to manage, and most options out there are security nightmares IIRC.

ChrisWere,
@ChrisWere@toot.wales avatar

@zeruch Interesting, I'm a little surprised at that. I thought it would have been relatively simple compared with modern systems.

michaela, German
@michaela@lsbt.me avatar

Übrigens, das gibt's immer noch. Und beispielsweise enthält einen Client dafür (ich nutze allerdings ).

HopelessDemigod,
@HopelessDemigod@mstdn.social avatar

There was nothing wrong with the underlying technology and methodology of Usenet groups. The issue was unmoderated discussions leading to complete chaos. Arguably Reddit built on this model and attempted to address its shortcomings. Unfortunately the original designers of Reddit fell down the money hole and sold their soul to get rich. Time to bring back Usenet.

I offer equal time for an opposing view.

kyonshi,
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

@HopelessDemigod I would say the federated model of usenet actually offers more resilience. I was always a bit wary of reddit's stranglehold on it's own space.

But that also is the issue with usenet. When Google hooked up Google Groups and flooded the whole system with both users and bot spam it became difficult to deal with. Cut out both users and spam, or try to handle spam one by one?

(A situation not dissimilar to the fediverse/threads situation)

Methylcobalamin,
@Methylcobalamin@mastodon.social avatar

comp.os.linux.misc has been overrun with spam. At least as it is viewed on the web via Google Groups.

It had one of the best crowds for solving Linux issues.

Does anyone know if that crowed migrated somewhere else?

#GoogleGroups #Usenet #Comp.Os.Linux.Misc #Linux

njsg,
@njsg@social.sdf.org avatar

@Methylcobalamin
#GoogleGroups should still(*) have the messages up to the cut-off date, but it might be hard to browse the archive of affected groups because of all the spam.

(*) At least until it gets flagged for having spam and Google blocks it because it has spam — yes, Google blocks groups for having spam that was injected via Google, it has happened before, there are still groups affected by it, and probably will happen again until somebody finally fixes some internal process...

#USENET

kyonshi,
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

@njsg @Methylcobalamin nobody is gonna fix anything with usenet/groups at Google. That's some dead project by someone who left the company decades ago

sinza,
@sinza@bitbang.social avatar

What platforms were used in the 80s up to about 1993 or 1994 for Internet servers? It can be , , , , the , or anything else that was on the Internet in that era.

My research indicates Solaris was very popular for web servers until Linux took over, and so I suspect it (and SunOS before it) was very popular for the Internet in general, but I'd like to hear from anyone with this sort of experience.

vga256,
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

@CodingItWrong haha i have a similar world wide web dating system - for me, it was Ultima VIII: Pagan in 1994. the first thing i did was use lynx to find a text walkthrough for the game, which progressed to searching for Ultima IX screenshots in Mosaic and Netscape a few months later.

pitrh,
@pitrh@mastodon.social avatar

@sinza During the 80s, likely VAXes running some BSD variety, also some Sun kit. Moving into the 90s, some sort of TCP/IP was available for more systems, but still BSDs or derivatives mostly. Linux only really started catching on later. And notably ft.cdrom.com, the download site back then, was one (rather beefy for its time) FreeBSD box.

ReK2,
@ReK2@pxlmo.com avatar

https://hispagatos.space/@rek2/112231145240283887 Stop Electron, stop using a browser as if it was an Operating System!!! Go use your OS, not the browser for everything! And be liter, more ethical, your computer will love you! Use on TUI apps as your text/IDE for videos and more... !!!

rek2,
@rek2@hispagatos.space avatar

Stop Electron, stop using a browser as if it was an Operating System!!! Go use your OS, not the browser for everything! And be liter, more ethical, your computer will love you! Use on TUI apps as your text/IDE for videos and more... !!!

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kyonshi,
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

Also fiddling with my configuration. Originally I just wanted it as a replacement for the leafnode proxy server on my windows machine, but and are making enough problems lately that I wonder if using it as a proxy mail server wouldn't also be reasonable.

I mean, the program is like 5 mb in size, which 20 years ago might have been sizeable, but right now is a drop in the bucket.

kyonshi,
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

Whoops, using #hamster as a tag for the #mail/ #usenet program of the same name might have been a mistake.
I mean, people who are talking about hamsters are generally not talking about proxy servers.

In fact even searching on Google for help has been a chore because the joke about server hamsters being tired has become so widespread it has replaced any discussion about the software.

kdriscoll,
@kdriscoll@aoir.social avatar

In July 1999, someone stole a trailer jammed with Sonic Youth gear out of a Ramada Inn parking lot. Lee Ranaldo immediately sent an email that was reposted to alt.music.sonic-youth:

> Please no pranks, all, this is really serious--
> all the gear we've used to write our last few LPs
> worth of stuff, instruments used for songs old
> and new which if truly lost will mean those songs
> will be lost forever.

https://usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=alt.music.sonic-youth&mid=PDM3ODIyOTJhLjU3OTY3MDhAbmV3cy5kbGMuZmk%2B

feld,
@feld@bikeshed.party avatar

@kdriscoll did they get it back?

kyonshi,
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

ok, pet idea: anyone interesting in an alt.comp.infosystems.fediverse group for off-fedi discussions of the and that leans itself more towards longer discussions?

kyonshi,
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

@darreninthenet well, Google closed down the connection to Google Groups. All of a sudden most spam has disappeared.

(I assume this wasn't even targeted anymore in the end it was just trying to find any open form it could find to post in)

darreninthenet,
@darreninthenet@dice.camp avatar

@kyonshi I was thinking about the death-by-spam before Google even existed... if it's all gone away, perhaps there's hope for it again

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