Please, help us to better understand how we can effectively funnel reddit users into Lemmy across all demographics, leveraging the average Lemmings advantages like expertise in automation, ai and bots?
What tactics/strategies do you propose? Can we automate the process? Can we somehow add ai to make it more fashionable?
Then do that. There are many Linux communities on Lemmy, participate in them and try to make them a better place by contributing useful comments and posts.
It refuses to install… I got a dell vostro 3468 running on legacy BIOS. I’m coming from windows and there’s an NTFS partition full of data I’m trying to preserve…
The guided partitioning errors out(usually runs out of space, and no packages can continue installing so they throw errors), and using the expert partitioning throws a couple of grub errors at the end when it’s installing grub
It was really good when I last tried it on another device
In my case I found that creating a community that was missing here, then regularly populating it with content, has worked wonders. That it was not just a good way to get myself engaged here, as well as to grow the Fediverse, but to attract users from Reddit and other places given a bit of cross-posting.
Seriously, I’m not sure how many people understand that right now, given that new content is generated relatively slowly across the FV, that any new community putting quality stuff out there is going to get a hugely larger proportion of eyes on it. That’s compared to similar communities on Reddit, FB, etc, in which smaller / newer communities tend to get completely drowned out in the ALL streams.
My own niche community (Euro graphic novels) already has 350+ subscribers in less than 90 days. Even for Reddit that’s a nice jump-start and growth. Which is why I urge people to jump on this opportunity now, because eventually it’s probably going to dry up.
Indeed, maybe it would be good to get this message out to people on Reddit, FB, etc who always wanted to start a sub/community, but the opportunities were ‘all filled up’ already.
Cross post from Lemmy to Reddit. But we must raise the question if we really want that. Reddit became toxic over the past few years, and I think people on Lemmy right night are in general different. Do we want to turn Lemmy into Reddit?
I don’t think we do no. Reddit (users) has long been known for its “know-it-all” elitist attitude. I dunno if that is a natural consequence of the voting system but we shouldn’t try to replicate it.
You’re on an instance that uses very few blocked instances. Perhaps you should sign up on an instance that blocks tankies instead? Remember that the instances that your instance is federated with also determines your feed since their votes are counted as well.
Dear Lemmings, how can we funnel reddit users to lemmy? Please, help us to better understand how we can effectively funnel reddit users into Lemmy across all demographics, leveraging the average Lemmings advantages like expertise in automation, ai and bots?
This almost reads like an AI generated prompt from a company. Personally I don’t think it makes sense to coordinate something artificial because people will see right through that.
Lemmy and the Fediverse at large IS better than the other platforms. With time it will grow for that reason alone.
What tactics/strategies do you propose?
Post content about things you know about and follow. It could be stuff you see on other social media, local news, anything really.
If you want to get more involved, pick a specific community or subreddit type and see what it needs. How can Lemmy serve that topic as well or better than Reddit could. If it makes sense, see if you can work with the moderators for the subreddit to get an official parallel community going (link to eachother, update rules, add the subreddit mods as mods here).
Can we automate the process?
Only in some cases where it makes sense. Lemmit exists for those that want a feed from a subreddit. Otherwise Time sensitive content, such as deals/sales?
Can we somehow add ai to make it more fashionable?
I think the opposite is needed, don’t do any of the random “fashionable” things companies are doing, which actually end up making the experience worse. Areas where it might be nice to have AI might be:
improving the summarizer bot (it’s broken sometimes, not sure why)
local translations when content is in another language
I feel the very specific community topic split is already affecting Lemmy negatively. So I think having larger, broader community topics (e.g. ‘commuting’ instead of a community for every single option to commute by itself), with more diverse content, interaction and of course more visible activity, would also attract new users.
Right now some communities are so specific, that by its creation, it’s a filter bubble by design. And then of course you don’t get a lot of content or interaction, as only yea-sayer get accepted.
Interaction requires different approaches, opinions, options and of course people who upvote them even when disagreeing. The reply box is the correct option when disagreeing, not the downvote. That’s how Lemmy will sprout.
tl;dr Broader community topics for larger, more diverse and more active communities
We could improve Lemmy’s features because this is an important factor in the next of content creation. For example: better sync, account migration, more intuitive UX, etc.
If you remember a ton of people left because for these reasons: Confusing sign-up (having to choose an instance), worse UX, having to use third-party sites to explore communities which aren’t local, suffering from defederation (my main gripe with Lemmy)
I agree wholeheartedly with what you (and others) have said. I wish there was a way to have one account but be able to use it on all instances. It would also be great that even though instances are decentralized, the content still was consolidated. So basically people from various instances visiting sort of fused/amalgamated communities.
@BigBlackCockroach we can already sort of do that? You're from lemmy.world, you're talking to @PrivateNoob from sopuli.xyz, and I'm reading both of you from kbin.social which also lets me follow people on mastodons.
You can use an account on all instances but I think the lack of consolidation is the single biggest problem with Lemmy/KBin tbh (the lack of ActivityPub in some of the other Reddit alternatives also doesn't help).
Obviously there's a smaller userbase here, which is fine and expected but can make some communities feel a little empty. Having basically the same community in multiple places across multiple Lemmy and KBin instances makes that issue a lot worse though - ideally communities covering the exact same topic should be automatically consolidated in the way you describe. And ideally on an opt-out basis for the user - so you see the amalgamated page by default and can see the individual ones if wanted.
Don’t want to. This is good as it is. There’s already a fair crack of wowsers here, and that’s already too many. The discussion here was pretty amazing a while back, but it’s already dumbing down as this place grows.
I see marketing via AI tools and bots unethical. Many things can be done via conventional marketing.
Contact content creators (especially oriented towards Linux and Free software, like TheLinuxExperiment or DistroTube, or some gaming channels, as well) to create communities of their channels on Lemmy.
Somehow reduce content about world news and politics. Many people go to the Internet to step aside from the real world events.
Also, majority of Reddit users are teenagers. The older generation of Reddit has fled away. We must think twice what target audience we want to bring in. I don’t want Lemmy to become a place where alt-wing anti-establishment political leaders bait naïve teenagers and take them into the rabbit hole (aka scenario described in The Social Dilemma).
Maybe we should establish marketing funds that people can donate to. Then use those funds to run ad campaings to promote Lemmy and get people to join. We could even decide where to advertise like only on hackathons or IT conferences or other select avenues.
Wow, do so many people believe Lemmy user are that much different than Reddit user? I mean I can totally forego all the bots, incels and astroturfing, but I do believe they migrate automatically once a platform got big enough. I don’t think there’s any way to stop that unless you want to keep Lemmy small forever.
Lemmy needs to grow because Reddit needs to go. Reddit has become too powerful for a greedy company like that.
I would be very interested to see the percentage of lemmy users that were reddit users right up until the point they switched primary platforms. I have to imagine that number is near 99%.
I’d like to echo this point. As soon as you set your objective to pull in Reddit users, you’ve set yourself up as the “Reddit alternative”, you’ll be chasing Reddit features and attempting to please the Reddit users. To succeed at this game is to essentially end up creating Reddit, but never surpassing.
In my opinion, Lemmy needs to have a clear mindset on what Lemmy is and what it isn’t, then stick to that.
It would be a real luxury to have that clear mindset, but I don’t think that’s possible.
Lemmy is something like a teenager. It needs time for its own identity and culture to coalesce. For now I think the best we can do is to avoid the notion that we’re alt-reddit.
Wow, do so many people believe Lemmy user are that much different than Reddit user?
Some are, but some are even worse than reddit, for example the cursed reddit custom of profile downvote… actually never happened to me on reddit but here it’s constant.
Reddit made it so you can’t downvote from a profile page, it simply wouldn’t count. You had to open every comment individually and vote on them. Sorry that it is happening to you. Maybe make a new account, karma isn’t that important, yet we all feel more welcome if there’s positive votes.
Nah i don’t give a shit about karma i’m just genuinly depressed people are this angry and petty. But then again it’s not really surprising since it’s mostly coming from the US bootlickers.
It also skews the point of downvotes even as disagree button.
Reddit made it so you can’t downvote from a profile page, it simply wouldn’t count.
I didn’t know that lol, support my theory of some places (.world for example) being really worse than reddit.
I think the only thing reddit has over Lemmy is the number of active communities, and not how big these communities are. If there’s 10k people in a community, it’s fine. It doesn’t help if there’s 100k.
But I need the diversity. I need r/soccer and r/chatgpt that are way more active.
That will happen with a critical mass of users. Maybe it is possible to correlate the foundation/success or just number of subredits with number of active redit users, then we might be able to conclude what number of critical users is necessary for that to happen.
If it’s ONLY for the goals and highlights, I would say to scrape “New” on soccer for video posts that’s been up for 10 minutes. The mods over there mostly take down dublicates and spam pretty fast.
The only problem is the mirrors in the comments that needs to come over with it. This one is tricky as they are not necessarily uploaded within 30 minutes.
I know there’s also a bot on reddit taking all these videos and uploading them in the comments on another video source not taking goals down. So a mix of these two approaches would do it.
I would heartily endorse quality over quantity on this front. I’ve had to block a few communities and users. And there is at least one Instance I have and will continue to block every community on, Yiff.
NSFW thots that post in multiple communities is actually worse on lemmy. Maybe because it’s a smaller audience and there are less communities or less posters.
I’ve blocked several users because I just kept getting the same posts. It doesn’t seem to be helping.
I find theres enough content here to satisfy my needs without it becoming an unhealthy addiction. Also it feels like my comment is actually noticed and sometimes replied to by a real person like me. Reddit relt unhealthy in those ways.
Got to say, the comment quality may be slightly better than Reddit, but I don’t see a fundamental difference in users. Thinking in terms of people commenting without reading the main post, people misunderstanding each other, things like that. Sure, the demographics may skew a little different, but people are people and at sufficient numbers we make similar mistakes.
If you just funnel reddit users onto Lemmy, you’re just going to get a shittier version of Reddit. You’ll be selecting for people who are tired of, can’t use, or rejected from reddit, but didn’t make the move on their own. That will result in growth, but at the cost of quality. Specifically reaching out to reddit users sends the message that you just want to be reddit for people who can’t or won’t use reddit anymore.
Expansion should come naturally. As Lemmy grows and improves, new users will naturally gravitate over, but because it wasn’t some sudden influx of reddit users they’ll be less inclined to just bring Reddit’s culture with them.
The difference lies in how we got here. One means finding a new community, assessing it, and integrating into it. It means seeing the new community as distinctly not Reddit. The other is effectively a “Come as you are” invitation that will just directly import reddit’s culture, after which it will be effectively too late to trim less desirable behaviors.
Then we could still funnel new users from other sources that are more like-minded. Say FOSS community and hackers for example (incidentally those are proabably a large chunk of Lemmy users)
No, why would we force them to join. Funneling makes it somewhat sound like forcing our tricking people to go and join lemmy. I would rather that people do it on their own. That way we get genuine lemmings not transplanted reddit trash.
That simply isn’t true. Reddit is much larger and more diverse than Usenet. I’m willing to bet the vast majority had never heard of Usenet when they started using Reddit, though they probably heard about it along with hundreds of other new and old ideas after joining. If you think everyone you want to talk to is already here, I’m happy for you, but I think it’s a limited philosophy.
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