bramblepatchmystery, (edited )

I like that you are passing off a clear case of your own unexamined antisemitism as a cute conversation starter.

Cool cool finger guns

Edit: anybody downvoting really should be obligated to explain how somebody falling for such a thing isn’t an antisemite at worst or a pure moron at best.

tias,

Antisemitism is about hating jews because they’re jews. That’s completely separate from criticizing a nation for crimes against humanity. The first is a group of people with no central government, the second is an administrative entity with a military that is violating the Geneva convention in another country.

GeneralEmergency,

If they are so willing to believe something so utterly ridiculous. It doesn’t paint the best picture for them.

BirdyBoogleBop,

Volkswagen gassed monkeys for the diesel emmisions testing scandal. The world is full of ridiculousness.

LarkinDePark,

Why is it ridiculous? We live in a world where people believe that enacting a genocide is self defence.

Count042,

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  • GeneralEmergency,

    I’m talking about the Eurovision entry. I think you misunderstood.

    Count042,

    Yep, Misunderstood. Sorry.

    bramblepatchmystery,

    If you press a lot of the people you are getting your information from, you will in fact find they hate Jews for being Jews.

    When you are claiming the world’s oldest conspiracy, you have to start from the position of, "I not one of the other antisemites who has claimed this thousands of times over the years and always been wrong, it’s true this time.

    If you truly believe this far right conspiracy is true now, that’s fine, but if you are at all wrong, you are the same kind of person who has always made this claim.

    tias,

    That’s a conspiracy theory, not fact.

    bramblepatchmystery,

    Yes, these claims against Jews have always been hateful conspiracy theories.

    What makes this time different?

    Count042,

    I got bored: npr.org/…/icj-finds-genocide-case-against-israel-…

    That is literally the first hit from google. I know you won’t read it, but you should.

    You should also really watch South Africa’s presentation: webtv.un.org/en/asset/k11/k11gf661b3

    And the courts findings yourself, and get your news from a primary source: webtv.un.org/en/asset/k1u/k1uwq4cxuv

    Count042,

    All of the evidence South Africa presented.

    Video evidence of the systemic war crimes.

    Written and video evidence of the multiple genocidal statements given by a large numbers of governmental figures, including Bibi himself.

    What would you require to actually entertain the idea that just maybe Israel is trying to enact genocide?

    You know my definition clearly now. You’ve made me repeat it 4 times now.

    Clearly state what would be required for you to stop accusing people correctly pointing out genocide of antisemitism?

    bramblepatchmystery,

    Your definition of genocide is just war crimes though.

    Count042,

    You still haven’t answered why you think that is, or what your definition is, or what you think the ICJ’s definition is.

    You should watch South Africa’s presentation:

    webtv.un.org/en/asset/k11/k11gf661b3

    And the courts findings yourself, and get your news from a primary source:

    webtv.un.org/en/asset/k1u/k1uwq4cxuv

    Count042,

    You literally have no reading comprehension. You pressed me three times, and each time I responded with ‘Any country that deals with a population it considers problematic by completely restricting access to food, medicine, and potable water is committing a genocide’

    Each time you ignored that and tried to ‘press’ me again.

    It’s almost like you’re looking for an answer you’re not getting.

    bramblepatchmystery,

    It’s a yes or no question.

    Are you willing to accept the ICJ’s ruling when they ultimately reject your claim of genocide?

    Count042,

    Not if the government in question is completely restricting access to food medicine and potable water to a population it considers problematic.

    But, you certainly won’t either. You certainly don’t now that the ICJ has found Israel is plausibly committing genocide.

    Plausible is what the recent case was about, if you actually read.

    It was too determine if South Africa has standing, and if it was plausible that Israel was committing genocide for a full trial. As a result of its finding, it called on Israel to stop killing Palestinian civilians and to preserve evidence for the eventual trial.

    Asking me if I will agree with their finding is pointless, as it will be years before the trial is finished.

    So, now that you know that the ICJ has found it plausible, will you stop accusing people who claim Israel is committing genocide are antisemitic, or are you willing to admit that claim came solely from nationalism in bad faith?

    bramblepatchmystery,

    You are using plausible to mean likely, i’m just wondering if the ICJ’s quotes are using the word in the same way you are.

    A problem I am having is whenever I ask for actual quotes and their context, i am either ghosted or bullied.

    Count042,

    Do your own research. That was literally the point of the court hearing.

    It’s why they ordered Israel to preserve evidence.

    Seriously, watch all three presentations. It’s worth doing. Unless you don’t want your obvious world view destroyed.

    If you don’t want to be `bullied’ (although, I can’t for the life of me understand why you’d use that word for people defending themselves from your accusations of antisemitism due to them pointing out a genocide), then don’t attack people with the bad faith accusation of antisemitism.

    You still haven’t answered the question.

    Come on, I answered yours. It’s your turn.

    What would it take for you to admit that recognizing a genocide isn’t antisemitism?

    bramblepatchmystery,

    If the ICJ stated genocide is likely happening, those quotes exist and would be used by you to bolster their case.

    I think.you are essentially just makinf your argument on the vibe of your reading of the international.courts, and not what is documented. Am i correct?

    Count042,

    I think you are refusing to do any research on something you aren’t willing to change your mind about. I think nothing would change your mind, so you didn’t even bother watching any of the three parts of the hearing because you already knew what you would believe.

    Your method of doing that is to never state a clear opinion, not engage in any logic, and respond to everything with questions.

    I’ll follow suit. What do you think the purpose of that hearing was, and what do you think the conclusion was for the hearing?

    But, as per my previous paragraph, I’d bet you didn’t even watch it.

    bramblepatchmystery,

    I’m sorry you don’t like the fact that I’m asking you questions regarding your claims instead of just arguing at you or outright accepting them without question. I imagine I can be frustrating when you are wanting one of those two options and I won’t provide it.

    But you are bringing forth accusations, millenia old accusations, and they should be examined.

    As for what I think the conclusion of the hearings was, we have not concluded the proceedings whatsoever and anybody claiming determinations have been released is being dishonest.

    I’m giving you every opportunity to discuss this without hyperbolism.

    Count042,

    I got bored. npr.org/…/icj-finds-genocide-case-against-israel-…That is literally the first hit from google. I know you won’t read it, but you should.

    You should also really watch South Africa’s presentation: webtv.un.org/en/asset/k11/k11gf661b3

    And the courts findings yourself, and get your news from a primary source: webtv.un.org/en/asset/k1u/k1uwq4cxuv

    We do know the conclusion to the prelimenary hearing to determine if Israel is plausibly committing genocide, which is what has happened so far. Pretending that that hasn’t happened is just bad faith arguing from a bigot.

    Have fun justifying people starving to death with bellies full of grass caused by a government found by the ICJ to plausibly be committing genocide.

    But you are bringing forth accusations, millenia old accusations, and they should be examined.

    They have been. You’re ignoring anything that gives an answer you don’t like, and accusing the people who have paid attention of being antisemites, cheapening the word for actual antisemitism.

    Count042,

    Last week the first children (cause children always die first from starvation) died from starvation.

    Say it with me: Israel is committing genocide you bigoted fuck.

    Count042,

    I got bored: npr.org/…/icj-finds-genocide-case-against-israel-…

    That is literally the first hit from google. I know you won’t read it, but you should.

    You should also really watch South Africa’s presentation: webtv.un.org/en/asset/k11/k11gf661b3

    And the courts findings yourself, and get your news from a primary source: webtv.un.org/en/asset/k1u/k1uwq4cxuv

    hppylttlhrb,

    I believed a headline that Ryan Reynolds threw on a Wrexham shirt and played half a game as a substitute… it was April 1st.

    EnderMB,

    When I was younger I used to play at a well-known football academy. Some of the better players stayed on, and one of them (easily the best player in our cohort) signed a professional deal. He was 10x better than me, a player that was probably considered pretty good by normal standards.

    Compared to pros he was nothing. He never played a game, had his contract terminated, and he eventually found his level in the 9th tier of English football (lower regional leagues).

    Age aside, Ryan Reynolds would look hilarious out there. At his fittest, I still think he’d almost definitely get injured trying to go up against a pro defender. Similar to the sort of smurfing videos you see of pro fighters destroying a local gym in disguise, the difference between even someone at National league or League 2 level to a “good” footballer is crazy.

    Trollivier,

    I was very excited for the release of Star Wars : The Force Awaken trailer. On that day, I knew the trailer was out, so I searched “force awaken trailer”, on YouTube, watched it and shared it…

    Annnnd it was a fake trailer.

    alansuspect,

    I assume all trailers on YouTube are fake

    cookie_sabotage,

    This happened in a biology class where we had groups of people trying to get the DNA out of fruits and vegetables, my group had chosen an onion, in an effort to try and be the cool kid I ate some of the onion, no one noticed.

    Yerbouti,

    Do fruits have DNA?!? Like unique DNA like human do?

    cozycosmic,

    All plants, animals, mushrooms, bacteria, etc have DNA. Any time a living thing reproduces there can be unique mutations that give the offspring a unique DNA. And, especially if it is a sexual reproduction (having two parents, like in most fruits) the parents DNA is mixed together to form a unique combination of the two parents.

    Fridgeratr,

    They do! Though I think their genome is a lot simpler

    s_s,

    Except for onions.

    Typhoonigator,

    Oh man, sometimes yes but sometimes not so much. Know how humans have 23 chromosomes? And we’re diploid, which means they come in pairs of 2?

    Some plants have a few more pairs than that - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolyploidyAnd some plants have way WAY more than 23 chromosomes - en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_organisms_by_chromosom…There’s a plant at the bottom of that list that has 1260 chromosomes.

    I only took 1 botany class back in college, so I don’t know or remember enough to talk about this in more depth. I really only know enough to be shocked by how crazy a plant’s genuine can be.

    Fridgeratr,

    Whoa, very interesting! Biology is so fascinating

    pingveno,

    The way I’ve had it explained to me, plants as a general rule have a much, much larger genome than animals. The reason is simple. When an animal runs into a problem like not enough water, it can just get up and move. Plants are rooted where they are, prey to whatever comes along. They have to develop an arsenal of genes to deal with different situations, whether that’s drought resistance or producing various toxins so that animals don’t make a meal of them. It’s not like animals don’t do this to some degree - the immune system is incredibly elaborate - but not as much.

    jagungal,

    Can’t remember what the article was, but it was a local one for an area I don’t live in (I think it was a Canadian one). Anyway, ate the onion in a large discord server I had just joined. I was mostly just trying to become part of the community. Nobody corrected me for a couple of hours until some smug bastard said something along the lines of “…at least I know it’s a satiric publication.”

    ThisIsNecessary,

    I got pretty excited to see an advertisement for Hardee’s mini biscuits and gravy. It was like tiny biscuits swimming in a bowl of gravy like cereal and it looked delicious . Then I realized it was April 1st.

    ArcaneSlime,

    Tbh make a bowl of gravy at home (super easy, just milk, flour, sausage, some of the fat from the sausage, and some pepper),

    The problem is the biscuits would get too soggy this way, buuuuut maybe you could use the tiny octagonal (or are they hexagons?) soup crackers, that sounds like it’d be a pretty fucking good facsimile and I may have to try it!

    KumaLumaJuma,

    Oyster crackers is a pretty good shout actually

    ArcaneSlime,

    YES thank you that’s what they’re called! It was killing me like a song I couldn’t remember lol.

    BenLeMan,

    I learned a few years ago that the Duke is, in fact, not frozen waiting to be resuscitated. Of course I only learned this after arguing with my prof in film class about it. Classic urban legend. Now I’m worried about any other hoaxes I might have absorbed in the pre-Internet years. At least I know that the Glomar Explorer was not looking for manganese nodules.

    Tathas,

    Wait until you hear that Disney’s Frozen was only created so that searching for “Disney Frozen” would result in the movie intead of Walt Disney’s frozen head.

    sxan,
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    Who’s frozen? Who is “the Duke?”

    BenLeMan,

    Ah yes, that probably showed my age right there. The Duke was the nickname of John Wayne, who died of cancer in 1979.

    sxan,
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    Wait, there’s a conspiracy theory Wayne was frozen? He died before cryo was even remotely feasible - that’s got to be even more fringe than usual.

    MrFunnyMoustache,

    I got reverse onioned a little while ago. There was an article about a kids version of the AR-15 called the JR-15, and it was so ludicrous and I didn’t know that website, I thought it was a satirical article for a while… Weeks later I mentioned it as a joke, but my brother said it was real and I checked and saw he was right.

    teawrecks,

    I just can’t figure out why we have a school shooting problem…

    • says the only nation where this regularly happens.
    sxan, (edited )
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    My favorite childhood toy was a metal-and-plastic, kid-sized Winchester 1873. It came with plastic beads it could shoot - they were all lost within days, but it still made a “pop” when you cocked and shot it. I tried to carry that thing everywhere; I clearly remember the trauma when my parents refused to let me take it to church, or school.

    Anyway, I’ve always assumed my experience and desires were pretty standard for kids: they like guns. Is that uniquely American? Do German and Chinese kids not run around with gun-shaped sticks or toys “shooting” at each other?

    Edit: typo

    tias,

    Sure they do. The difference is they don’t do it with real weapons because people generally don’t own real weapons. When they do own one (for hunting or sport, never for personal protection), it’s locked in a secure safe by law and requires successful completion of a fairly tough training with a proficiency test at the end.

    sxan,
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    Was the JR15 mentioned above a real gun? I have a hard time imagining a functioning rifle chambered in 5.56 that would be small enough for a child to handle. And AR15s aren’t that big; a young teen can handle them fairly easily.

    I guess my point is that the AR frame is about as small as you can make a functioning 5.56 rifle anyway. You could put a shorter barrel on it, maybe lighten the stock, but now you’ve just made a carbine. The upper isn’t getting any smaller… so what’s “JR” about it?

    Scaling an AR down so it just looks like one, but is chambered in something shorter like .22 short… I guess you could call it a JR15. Seems like a cheap cop-out, since that upper is the defining feature of the AR15. Although a guess there are derivations chambered in Blackout, Grendel and so on, and they’re all considered based on the AR platform.

    Hence, my assumption it was a toy.

    teawrecks,
    sxan,
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    LOL I guessed at the caliber. .22 long isn’t much longer than short, in the grand scheme of things.

    What a crazy development.

    ArcaneSlime,

    There’s conversion kits for regular 5.56 AR to .22lr too. It’s just a bolt and mag change, cmmg sells the “good” ones. Pretty popular choice for plinkers too!

    This Jr-15 is injection molded btw, gotta be light af. And it’s made by Schmid of Schmid Tools which is actually pretty cool, they make some good shit. The site for wee1 is down though so while they were at SHOT idk if the product is live or ever will be.

    Saigonauticon,

    I only occasionally see that here in Asia. It exists, but I feel like it’s much less. I immigrated here maybe 12 years ago from the West. The overall level of violence is much lower than I grew up with (even in Canada).

    Most young people I know consider handling guns more of a chore. In Vietnam, learning to disassemble, clean, maintain, and reassemble an AK-47 is a mandatory class. My wife got top score :)

    Anyway, we stumbled on a great way to make guns uncool, I think. Personal possession is illegal here except for shotguns, it’s for some very specific scenario that I don’t exactly recall. I knew of some remote workplaces with one, in case of wild animals. We get some, but not many, illegal firearms.

    groupofcrows,

    They got rid of gun shaped transformers (megatron) and gun shaped Pez dispensers. You can’t expect Americans to do more than this.

    bob_lemon,

    AR is short for Adult Rifle

    ArcaneSlime,

    It’s a .22lr though, which is common for teaching kids firearms safety. The only difference between that and the usual .22lr squirrel hunting rifles is it has a few cosmetic features like a pistol grip and a detachable mag rather than an 1880s style mag tube under the barrel. It’s also largely injection molded so it’ll also be lighter than said regular hunting rifle (and of course you could still hunt with this and it takes optics easier thanks to the 1913 rail.)

    PatMustard,

    Probably a lot safer to just not give a gun to a child

    MummifiedClient5000,

    And leave that kid totally defenceless against all the armed kids in the playground? What sort of monster are you?

    ArcaneSlime,

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDmgDlc-KUg

    Works out fine more often than not, just don’t give a 9yo a full auto uzi.

    This kid may not be ready for semi, but she will be before she can comfortably hold a heavy aluminum/steel or wood/steel rifle. Gun safety is important for kids to learn if they’re going to be around guns, typically if a kid learns to properly respect the dangers involved it cuts down on the 18 and life type scenarios. Sure, you can keep yours locked and you can vet their friend’s parents before you allow them to stay over at the friend’s house all you want, but you can never truly know if they adhere to safe storage around children or if they keep one out of the safe "where their kid can’t reach (spoiler: he can). If they’re aware of gun safety it increases the likelihood they’ll snitch at the mention of “wanna see my dad’s gun?” (and of course you should instruct them to do so regardless), it decreases the mystique of guns so they’re less curious and more “been there done that let’s watch that awful teen titans reboot abortion instead,” and even if they did find themselves in possession or close to a firearm for some ungodly reason, at least they know how to safely clear the chamber, watch the muzzle, etc, so even if they ignore you telling them to get an adult (grounded for life for sure ofc), if they do handle the gun it decreases the likelihood someone will be injured.

    Honestly, it isn’t that bad a move, just be smart, you know, like no full auto uzis until you’re 14. .22lr bolt actions (or air/pellets first then .22lr), then keep moving them up as time goes on (assuming they’re interested and capable, but I mean, don’t force em into ballet either lol).

    wildcardology,

    For a country that has more guns that people. I think learning about gun safety at an early age is safer.

    DirigibleProtein,

    Thirty years ago, I told a friend that Australians come from Australia, Romanians come from Romania, and Canadians come from Canadia. She called it Canadia for thirty years.

    We’ve been together for ten years and she’s only just found out that it’s actually called Canada. Boy am I in trouble.

    flambonkscious,

    Maybe you can double down and day it’s more of a French Canadian thing?

    eatham,
    @eatham@aussie.zone avatar

    I accidentally call it Canadian sometimes

    Xavienth,

    Honestly if she went 30 years without looking at a map that’s on her.

    Gerbils,

    Going to college in New Orleans, we had a game where everyone had to convince at least one tourist that the river was pronounced MissisSIPPi, but the residents of the state preferred it if you’d say MisSISSippi.

    a_baby_duck,

    About 20 years ago I was so outraged by Bonsai Kitten that I asked a friend’s mom to help me write letters to ISPs and law enforcement to try to get it taken down.

    It was a site with pictures of cats in glass jars, but it had very graphic details about how they supposedly kept cats alive in jars and grew them into weird shapes… I still think it’s pretty tasteless, but it was clearly someone’s idea of satire. It felt like a big deal back then, but these days it would be nothing more than a bad meme.

    Thavron,
    @Thavron@lemmy.ca avatar

    It kinda was a big deal back then. This was the early days of mainstream internet hoaxes and a lot of people actually believed that shit (my teenage self included).

    rekabis,

    a lot of people actually believed that shit

    Wot. Srsly?

    Wow, looks like I hit the Internet really, really early. Because by the time that stuff came out, I laughed myself silly at how ridonkulous it was.

    ArcaneSlime,

    Dude people fell for “grow crystals on pennies” and “cut for beiber.” People are fucking dumb.

    DestroyerOfWorlds,

    Early internet joke/hoax sight was “drill a hole in your head”. pictures of people with drills in hand and bloody bandages looking all blissed out. I think it was shocking for some because the internet was so new people didn’t think you just blatantly lie without a disclaimer.

    Thavron,
    @Thavron@lemmy.ca avatar

    I remember that one!

    CaptainBlagbird,
    @CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world avatar

    You were not alone, it was taken down (and rehosted/mirrored) multiple times because of complaints.

    knowyourmeme.com/memes/bonsai-kittens/

    xilliah,

    I honestly thought that kangaroos were poisonous. That they had a kind of stinger on the elbow.

    I even managed to convince a few people of it, including two Australians.

    Then later I couldn’t find it any more on Wikipedia. Apparently it was a prank edit years ago.

    Xariphon,

    Kangaroos don't but platypus do.

    xilliah,

    What doesn’t the platypus do at this point?

    all-knight-party,
    @all-knight-party@kbin.run avatar

    Speak English...?

    averyminya,

    Only by choice, let’s be honest.

    xkforce,

    April fools on /r/askhistorians

    metaphortune,

    Do April Fools jokes count? I was bereft after reading an article 13+ years ago from a trustworthy gaming site that said Armor Games (a popular flash game dev at the time) was taking over all development for the Elder Scrolls games.

    (In retrospect, maybe that wouldn’t have been the worst thing after Skyrim came out)

    EonNShadow,

    I fell for an April Fools joke years ago saying that an upcoming character to be released in Smite was The Morrigan, then confidently posted about it on Reddit weeks later.

    This was years before she actually was released, and long before development was started on her.

    Addv4,

    It took me way longer to realize an article about how Alaskan airlines was giving passengers a pass to bring your own pocket tools on one of their flights that it really should have. My only real excuse was that the site wasn't the onion.

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