rahmstorf, German
@rahmstorf@fediscience.org avatar

We do understand the caused by fossil fuels - for four decades it’s been going as predicted.
But we don’t understand the surprise upward leap that is happening now.
And that worries me.

JonasR,

@rahmstorf

On some weather channel I heard that recent underwater volcano added water vapor not sulfur to stratosphere (leading to warming as opposed to usual volcano cooling) and Hansen also suspects reductions in aerosols (China, shipping) to be a factor in addition to not even very strong El Nino. Are there papers which support this? I am looking for factual reasons to be calmer regarding feedbacks (early permafrost melting, or even methane hydrates, etc)
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2023/ElNinoFizzles.13October2023.pdf

kevinrns,
@kevinrns@mstdn.social avatar

@rahmstorf

linchpins and suffusion, and it should worry

xerge,
@xerge@mastodon.nl avatar

@rahmstorf if you disregard the last 6 years or so, the last point looks totally in line with the rest (assuming exponential growth). What happened the last 6 years?

BlippyTheWonderSlug,
@BlippyTheWonderSlug@social.cologne avatar

@rahmstorf
I liken it to the wobbling of a top as it looses momentum.

At first it wobbles ony a little, but it yaws and pitches wildly just before collapse.

I think that's where we're at. The beginning of the collapse phase..

But, my math is questionable, at best. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

Firestarter_OL,
@Firestarter_OL@troet.cafe avatar

@rahmstorf
I guess it is Murphy's Law:
Possible measurement errors always add up in the same direction - and always to the bad.

RecursiveElegance,

@rahmstorf Have there been changes in methodology in how the data is gathered?

posixgnulinux,

@rahmstorf

Using R's decompose() function (just exploring it the first time), the certain september 2023 data does look less spectacular. This might calm down from panic mode.

Nevertheless the trend part looks bad enough...
...that's enough to be concerned anyway.

NichtVielZuSagen,
Gegenwind,
@Gegenwind@chaos.social avatar

@rahmstorf three years of la niña, caused by Australian wildfires, masked the baseline?

jobsboils,

@rahmstorf Brings to mind a phrase used by my old armchair Marxist buddies: "Qualitative change; quantitative leap."

Except this time it's for real.

AlgoCompSynth,
@AlgoCompSynth@ravenation.club avatar

@rahmstorf Are they tracking methane in the atmosphere in real time?

interplanetarisch,
@interplanetarisch@swiss-talk.net avatar

@rahmstorf

Is this the time lag of the impact of CO2-concentration?
Is this the state of uncertainty after linearity, the dawn of a dynamic system?

Ataraxia,

@rahmstorf
Are you saying this cannot be explained by long term warming, El Nino, or variability but there is something else?

largess,
@largess@mastodon.au avatar

@rahmstorf
James Hansen enters the chat ?

posixgnulinux,

@rahmstorf

A first taste of this one?

Rhaedas,
Rhaedas avatar

@rahmstorf Lots of variables at play, but I think the biggest cause of this rate increase is the failure of the ocean to continue its absorption and filtering of the effects. Pumping carbon into the air at insane amounts would have had this dramatic rise visible earlier had we not had the oceans to buffer the jump for decades or centuries.

Thebratdragon,
@Thebratdragon@mastodon.scot avatar

@rahmstorf el nino, and self sustaining ocean temp rises. It is goingcriyical.

christal,
@christal@social.tchncs.de avatar

@rahmstorf

No its easy. The earth had million Times before kind of Code initialise to make the system more hot. Its needed to speed up evolution and deconstruction if something was a mistake, like a reset. So we see everything works fine. Just not for Humas after we pushed the restart button. The 4 decates... the ocean backup tipping point run out of memory to store carbon and many other tipping points will fail in future if we do not enough. Hate to say but cubes are set.

NaturaArtisMagistra,
@NaturaArtisMagistra@mastodon.world avatar

@rahmstorf

There is a terrible lack of science and clarity and public understanding. Also the Pope himself declared the efforts of the world are too little and too slow.

@fossilfueltreaty Fossil Fuel Non Proliforation Treaty

noam,

@rahmstorf Is this significantly different from the 1998 jump, also during an El Niño year?

ng,
@ng@mastodon.eus avatar

@rahmstorf we have at least heard of a combination of

  • strong El Niño on
  • weaker winds from Sahara to Atlantic (lower dust transport, more sunlight getting in)
  • little mixing in the Atlantic (more heat at surface)
  • cut sulphur emissions from cargo vessels

What I don't know is whether those elements are quantitatively sufficient to explain such a jump

firstprimate,
Thumptastic,

@rahmstorf Positive feedback loops.

forthy42,
@forthy42@mastodon.net2o.de avatar

@rahmstorf Some random jumps up and down are expected, but this is at least a bit more than expected…

theklan,
@theklan@mastodon.eus avatar

@rahmstorf I read that the prohibtion of sulphur in ship's fuel oil had reduced a layer of pollution that actually made the oceans warm less.

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