Lemmy.ml is blocking all requests from /kbin Instances

I discovered yesterday evening that Lemmy.ml is blocking all inbound ActivityPub requests from /kbin instances. Specifically, a 403 'access denied' is returned when the user agent contains "kbinBot" anywhere in the string. This has been causing a cascade of failures with federation for many server owners, flooding the message queue with transport errors.

This doesn't appear to be a mistake; it has been done very deliberately, only on Lemmy.ml. Lemmy.world and other large instances do not exhibit the same behavior. It also isn't a side effect of the bug introduced in Lemmy 0.18. You can observe by sending the following in a terminal

> curl -I --user-agent "kbinBot v0.1" https://lemmy.world/u/test
HTTP/2 200
[...]

> curl -I --user-agent "kbinBot v0.1" https://lemmy.ml/u/test                                
HTTP/2 403
[...]

> curl -I --user-agent "notKbinBot v0.1" https://lemmy.ml/u/test
HTTP/2 403
[...]

> curl -I --user-agent "placeholder-user-agent" https://lemmy.ml/u/test
HTTP/2 200
[...]

Additional evidence of this not being a Lemmy 0.18 bug:

  • This occurs when making web requests to any location on the Lemmy.ml webserver, not just ActivityPub endpoints.

  • Go to https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy and pick an instance running 0.18.0. Perform the above commands, replacing the URL for Lemmy.ml with that particular instance's address.

If this continues, my instance may need to defederate from Lemmy.ml. This is especially problematic because Lemmy.ml continues to federate information outbound to other kbin instances while refusing to allow inbound communication from them.

Spoofing the user agent is less than ideal, and doesn't respect Lemmy.ml's potential wish to not be contacted by /kbin instances. I don't post this to create division between communities, but I do hope that I can draw awareness to what's going on here. Defederating /kbin instances entirely would even be better than arbitrarily denying access one-way. This said, we should all attempt to maintain a good-faith interpretation until otherwise indicated by the Lemmy developers. It's possibel that this is a firewall misconfiguration or some other webserver-related bug.

Relevant comment from me (#354 - [BUG] Critical errors/failed messages during messenger:consume)

Edits:

  • Yes, people have already tried reaching out to the Lemmy instance admins in their Matrix room with no answer.

  • Someone has posed a question on Lemmy.ml about the block here: https://lemmy.ml/post/1563840

MonsieurHedge,
MonsieurHedge avatar

Lemmy seems worse and worse all the time. A completely unannounced bootleg defederation... for what appears to be absolutely no reason? Are the instance admins insane?

Willer,

Platform made up of infants shoots itself in the knee?

DreamerOfImprobableDreams,
DreamerOfImprobableDreams avatar

My cynical thought is that they're not insane, they're trying to kneecap the competition before it gets popular enough to pose a threat to them.

communist,
@communist@beehaw.org avatar

That's not how this works, they stand to gain nothing from eliminating competition, it's open source software, it's likely an accident or a moderation issue.

Machinist3359,

To what end though? This is one lemmy instance, and probably the one fediverse instance facing the highest influx of traffic.

smegger,

Is there any chance they're just blocking things with bot in the name? Just crappy keyword filtering?

argv_minus_one,

Lemmy.ml admins have been silent about this issue for over a day now. The hypothesis that this is merely a technical glitch is rapidly losing plausibility. Something's up.

ChemicalRascal,
ChemicalRascal avatar

No, it's specifically "kbinbot", case insensitive. Even "botkbin" gets through just fine.

halfempty,
halfempty avatar

I believe I saw a workaround for the /kbin "404 not found" error. You must first connect with the primary URL string, and then a subsequent call to the URL containing the specific magazine.

Otome-chan,
Otome-chan avatar

common lemmy.ml L. thanks for the heads up though that interacting on lemmy.ml stuff might be broken.

audricd,
audricd avatar

Well, this is disappointing.

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