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mifan, in What is up with Baldur's Gate 3?

It’s a combination of good timing, a perfect product and going against the direction of most AAA-studios.

Though BG2 is more than two decades old, a lot of us still considers it one of the best games ever. I think quite a few of us have been eager to return to forgotten realms. That’s one group.

Then there’s a group of Divinity fans (some overlapping the old BG group) waiting for Larians next RPG.

Those two groups would be the critical mass for creating hype. Would the game live up to the old games? Would it be as good as Divinty?

Then comes the first reviews and people get to play the beta, and though the first few months were rough, once we got close to release it was clear, that BG3 would not only live up to its expectations, it would smash through the roof.

Now you have your core fan base talking about how good this game is, how do you sell this to people who normally don’t play this type of game?

Well, talk to them in a language they understand. This game is complete from day 1. No DLC. No ingame shop. Just a complete game that you can play over and over again with new ways of completing it… oh, and you can co-op with your friends. Even on the couch in split screen.

There are simply not anything of major significance to criticize about this game. You may not like it, or the genre is not for you, but as a complete product it’s simply perfect.

As a player you get the feeling that Larian focus on the game first where others focus on money first. That may not be the whole truth, but it’s the feeling this is creating, and hopefully other studios will acknowledge that there are other ways to do things.

Kikkertje,

I was in my early 20s when BG1, BG2, NWN, and Icewind Dale came out. The hype was real, and it was a spectacular time in gaming.

Coelacanth,
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

I feel like there might be room for an old school PC gaming community here on Lemmy. There is usually a console/arcade game focus on the retro gaming communities, but it would be great to have a place to discuss releases from that 1990-2009 or so era.

dingus,
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

Everyone else is playing the System Shock remake while I’m just sitting here hoping for a System Shock 2 remake, because it was a spiritual predecessor to BioShock that included class-based co-operative play. The netcode in the original was/is dogshit, so my friend and I never actually completed the game before our saves were totally corrupted.

Frankly, also wouldn’t mind a remake of the original Deus Ex either. Warren Spector was heavily involved in the development of System Shock and Deus Ex, while Ken Levine was instrumental in System Shock 2 and BioShock.

entropicdrift,
@entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Plenty of communities in that vein overe here on lemmy.sdf.org

Stillhart,

Same. And I grew up on Champions of Krynn and Eye of the Beholder and Pools of Radiance, so Baldur’s Gate was mind blowing when it came out. BG2 was even better!

I haven’t played a CRPG in a while. Never got into DoS series, etc. But there’s no way I was missing BG3 after the rave reviews it was getting, considering my history with the series.

TransplantedSconie,

Icewind Dale was awesome! I still have my copy stored somewhere in my basement lol.

oo1,

yeah, nostalgia for me.
the other larian games didn't register with me.

ChaoticEntropy,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

“a perfect product”

I don’t think anyone at Larian thinks that they have created the perfect product. It’s pretty buggy still, and lacks depth in areas, but its intentions are pure and that buys a lot of credibility in and of itself.

tias, (edited ) in Why do video game devs tie game mechanics to framerate?

Let’s say you don’t tie game mechanics to frame rate. How often should you update the state of the game? 50 times / second? 100 times / second? You need to pick a fixed rate if you want to keep the physics engine consistent. If you make the rate too high the game will not run on low-end machines, so you need to find the right balance.

But let’s say you make it 100 times / second. Now between those updates, nothing changes. You can render at 500 FPS, but you’ll be rendering the same thing five times before anything changes, so the extra frames are useless. There are ways around this. You could perform interpolation of object positions between the previous state and the new state (but this introduces input lag). You can keep things that don’t affect gameplay (e.g. eye-candy animations) running at the full FPS. But none of these things are trivially obvious. So it becomes a question of ambition, competence, and the will to put time (i.e. investor’s money) into it. Hence many projects simply prioritize other things.

Cevilia, in Denuvo wants to convince you its DRM isn’t “evil”
@Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

If you are treating your paying customers worse than someone you perceive as stealing from you, you are doing something seriously wrong.

BlueNine,

Piracy is just a fancy word for price sensitivity.

Photoshop would not have the market dominance that it enjoys if college kids where not pirating it for a decade.

My son knows how to model in blender because a 12 yr old cannot afford maya. In a generation blender will own the space. He will never use maya.

Napster created a generation of music fans that put way more money into the industry than previous generations ever did.

A certain amount of loss should be tolerable, because it is often the pathway to future growth. A pirated copy isn’t a lost sale, it’s your investment in the next generation of consumers

esty,
@esty@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m honestly shocked Adobe hasn’t tried to capitalize on the people who pirate from them, considering they’re the one company where the service is good and the cost is not

Do you know how much they’d take in if they had a yet cheaper tier for certain apps with a ‘personal use only’ clause or something? Probably a fuck ton if i had to guess

HidingCat,

In a way they did, the base Photography plan is ridiculously good value. PS + LR for US$120 a year. It'd have cost me more to buy both outright back then (US$800 + US$400 upgrades every 2-3 years).

BlueNine,

I know right. The fuck should I pay 10/mo to use Lightroom as a hobby photographer who will never make a dime off my images? 25-50/yr and I would never even look at the alternatives.

The free hobby license for fusion 360 means I am sort of locked in to auto desk CAD software because it is all I have used for years now. Big win right?

exscape,
exscape avatar

As long as it's as effective as it is, they'll keep using it.

For example, the latest FIFA game that was cracked is FIFA 19. The rest are still safe thanks to Denuvo.

disposabletentacle,

Yeah, but that might just be that no one cares enough about the FIFA games to waste energy cracking them, not because of Denuvo specifically.

exscape,
exscape avatar

Aren't they extremely popular still...? Highest selling sport series of all-time from what I can see. Certainly not as liked these days though, that's true.

Krakatoa,

Yeah but it took the Hogwarts game like a week to be cracked with the most restrictive denuvo in place. If there’s demand for it someone will crack it.

phi1997,

They're popular among a different crowd than those who would go online to talk about video games.

TwilightVulpine,

Just because they aren't on gaming sites it doesn't mean they aren't looking for cracks.

HidingCat,

Yes, after all, the Fifa crowd were more than happy with microtransactions.

Porting that monetisation policy to Battlefront 2, well, we saw how that turned out.

HidingCat,

Think FIFA's popularity also stems from FUT, which I guess won't work with a cracked version. So FIFA's real DRM is via a popular feature that requires account registration for microtransactions.

TwilightVulpine,

FIFA is one of the most popular game in Brazil, a country of over 200 million people. I doubt it's a matter of little interest.

It really is that Denuvo is effective at preventing cracking.

prole,

If enough people want a game with denuvo to be cracked, it gets cracked.

HumbleFlamingo, in Steam Summer Sale: Hidden Gem/ Recommendations thread

It's not super niche, or super on sale, but I'm really enjoying Chained Echos so far.

MadSciencePro,
MadSciencePro avatar

Hot take: Chained Echoes is a much better game than Octopath Traveler 2.

corytheboyd,
corytheboyd avatar

They’re pretty different vibes tbh. I liked both. I finished Chained Echoes, and gave up on Octopath after putting it down for a few weeks and just never getting back into it.

Chained Echoes is great, but not perfect. Some of the mechanics felt a little broken or not well polished. The difficulty was a little too insane, I had to drop it down to actually enjoy them game. But the story is there, the characters are there, and it’s cohesive and interesting and new and familiar all at the same time.

phosphorik,

Man, Octopath Traveler was such a letdown. The total lack of character interactions with other character’s stories made protagonist selection feel pointless and the story felt even more shallow than it was. Just… so meh. I couldn’t talk myself into picking up the second one.

Thaolin,
Thaolin avatar

I feel this. It felt kind of half thought out. Was so disappointed.

Glide,

Tbh, the worst part was that the advertising for 2 really seemed to suggest they’d heard that complaint about 1 and fixed it. The put so much emphasis on the Cross Paths feature. And then you get the game and discover that it is actually just 4 quests for 4 sets of 2 travelers.

I really expected genuine interaction. Character to be present in cutscenes and have minor comments on what’s occuring. You know, stuff the story can technically progress without, but really flesh out the world and the characters. Bosses acting like they’ve caught out a single character only to initiate a fight against my party of 4 just feels weird as hell.

Chariotwheel,

Yeah, maybe 8 characters is too many. but now they can't go back and rename it to Quadropath travellers.

vanquesse,
vanquesse avatar

They could do a 3 franchise mashup and name it "Bravely Quad Strategy"

GadolElohai, in What's achievement in videogames are you most proud of?
GadolElohai avatar

Defeating Ornstein & Smough in Dark Souls. It was the goal I set for myself, and the game was beat enough for me after I achieved it.

Panko, (edited ) in What's achievement in videogames are you most proud of?
Panko avatar

In Kerbal Space Program i circumnavigated Kerbin in an amphibious vehicle. It was a challenge someone in the forums set and it took me about 20-30 hours of play time in total. I documented the whole thing in the forums but it unfortunately got lost during the transfer to the new forum site :( . It was genuinely the most fun I’ve had in a game since there were so many problems to solve, i even had to make a crane to lift the vehicle up the ice shelf at the pole.
EDIT: looks like the post actually does still exist on the forums! You can see it here if anyone is interested

CoderKat, in Starfield physical release won't include physical disc
CoderKat avatar

Why even sell a physical box if it has absolutely no benefit over a digital download? I wonder if it's at all driven by desire to trick people who want a physical disk copy (ie, a copy that can be resold or traded)?

Given that people generally expect physical copies to have a disk (at least for console games), it feels like false advertising.

elephantgrenades,

It’s probably driven by a desire to keep retail partners happy with stocked store shelves.

ShittyWizard,
ShittyWizard avatar

No benefit? I only buy physical (when possible), because then the game is mine. You dont own digital only games, you just license them. I can give back, resell or lend my games and I get a feeling of ownership. I hate the direction the games industry is going.

lemonflavoured,
lemonflavoured avatar

because then the game is mine.

EULAs say otherwise even in that case.

Kichae,

They don't. They clarify that owning a copy of the game does not confer copyright ownership, and they outline public performance rights, but it's ownership over a physical object in the same way owning a lamp is, or perhaps more appropriately, the way in which owning a book is.

If you say that you "own a copy of Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell," no one crawls out of the work to argue IP and copyright law. Everyone understands what is meant.

This is no different.

lemonflavoured,
lemonflavoured avatar

Given the wording of some EULAs that's debatable. Not that those clauses would be enforceable if anyone actually tried, mind you.

pizza_rolls,
pizza_rolls avatar

But physical disks now won't let you play unless you download 500GB worth of "updates"

I miss old physical games where you had the disk and that's it

phi1997,

That's still the half the case on Switch. You can put the cart in and play without installing the game to system storage, but how big the patches are and how necessary they are varies.

13zero,

A lot of the third-party compilations for Switch include one game and allow you to download the rest (Assassin’s Creed is one).

On the plus side, Nintendo is good about releasing revision cartridges with updates. I think that new copies of Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey have been fully patched for years.

TheEntity,

You only ever own a license and possibly a medium, not the game. From the perspective of the law there is very little difference. Now, the terms of use of a particular DRM platform, this is a different matter.

Kichae,

It's a physical box that contains a download code. There's no game inside. No disc, no cartridge, nothing that actually holds the product.

You're not reselling that.

ShittyWizard,
ShittyWizard avatar

Thats exactly what bugs me.

Kichae,

Yes, but understand the exchange you're having:

"Why sell a physical box if it contains no game? There's no benefit to buying it!"

"No benefit? Buying physical means I own it!"

Does it not seem like you're ignoring the actual issue being discussed?

Lowbird,

No, they're saying that what is being sold here is being falsely advertized as a physical copy of the game when it is not.

"Why sell a physical box if it contains no game?" Is about this "physical edition" that isn't.

"Buying physical means I own it" is about actual physical editions that aren't lies.

DarkDarkHouse,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

You've missed the point. The point was not that it was a fake physical box (we all get that), but rather why sell a fake physical box.

Gert,

Maybe I misunderstood your point, but I think the original comment was saying they like buying physical, transferable copies of games (ie. disks) because of the points they mentioned. The Starfield physical copy is pointless because you're not getting a transferable copy, you'll just get a single use code (which is the same as buying digital). The only reason people would want the Starfield physical copy is to have an item on their shelf.

AgileBed,

because then the game is mine.

What? No, that's wrong. You only ever purchase a license to play the game. The only thing you own is the package and the disc.

Also, you can just copy the files of the digital download.

Kichae,

Having a product on a shelf is a form of marketing. It's why big releases get a full wall at GameStop. They cna keep a box in the back, but the publisher has paid for all of that shelf space, and they've paid for it because it makes it look like a big deal to people who are just wandering in looking for a gift, or for their next thing to play between Fifa or Madden releases.

bitwise,

I have no idea why you're being downvoted; this is literally what those walls full of game boxes were meant for (even back when they actually had shit in 'em).

Anomandaris,
Anomandaris avatar

Honestly I'm not very bothered. I struggle to see this as false advertising when they're declaring on public forums that physical copies will not include a disc, and it's quite likely that those physical copies will also state on them that it includes a code and not a disc.

Given our increasing environmental concerns the idea that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of discs are not going to be produced for this is a good thing, I think. I imagine the only reason a physical version exists at all is to ensure the game has a presence in physical stores, so large advertisements can catch people's eye, so stores can do related promotions. In essence, all those empty boxes will be produced purely for advertising purposes, otherwise I imagine they would scrap physical copies all together to save the related production, transportation, and logistics costs.

yoast,

I think at least part of it is to let people buy with cash or store credit though I do wish they made it more like a branded gift card or something because that would be less waste

Poppamunz,
Poppamunz avatar

Nintendo does exactly this with digital Switch games, so it's definitely possible for Starfield too

lemonflavoured,
lemonflavoured avatar

I do wish they made it more like a branded gift card

That would be preferable.

phi1997,

Those already exist, they just want the presence a plastic box has on the shelves

Itty53,
Itty53 avatar

Because brick and mortar retail isn't entirely dead. Impulse buys, Christmas gifts, etc etc etc etc. All the reasons to have a product for sale in a store. The product was never the CD or DVD or floppy disks, and gamers who make a fuss about it are just crotchety for the sake of it. There's no reason to print physical media. I haven't even owned an optical drive in my pc for well over a decade. Still bought some "physical copies" of games that were just codes. I'm not upset.

You're old grandpa, go back inside and stop yelling at The Cloud.

Lowbird,

Ffs, a shockingly large portion of the U.S. still has terrible internet. People buy physical copies so they don't have to download over several days and exceed their data caps.

Others enjoy physical copies for the collectible aspect, which a box alone does not suffice for at all.

Selling a box that looks like it contains a physical copy, and calling it a physical copy, when it demonstrably isn't is just deceptive advertizing. If they just want to sell a digital copy in stores, it should be a card with a code on it and marked as a digital only copy.

You're entitled to not care about the physical copues yourself, but calling everyone who does care "crotchety for the sake of it" is just nonsensical and shitty.

Itty53,
Itty53 avatar

You have a problem with packaging. The product is the software. Software. Soft. Media is irrelevant. You may as well be insisting games be provided on floppy disks for your own contentedness.

It isn't false advertising. You're just self-entitled and want companies to cater to you specifically and not the masses. Gamers are really the most entitled group of folks on the planet. You may as well demand Netflix provide VHS copies of every new show they make. Same stupid argument. If you don't like your arguments being called stupid, don't publicize your stupid arguments.

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

chill a bit, please. other people are disagreeing here without saying things like "You’re old grandpa, go back inside and stop yelling at The Cloud." or making charges "You’re just self-entitled", so you shouldn't need to either at the people you disagree with.

Itty53,
Itty53 avatar

I'm calm as shit man. Relaxing on a Sunday. It's just that I'm not wrong. He is self-entitled. He wants game developers to spend their money publishing DVDs for the one-off collectors -- nevermind the environment, nevermind that they're going to be downloading day 1 updates the size of the game anyway, nevermind all of the ridiculous arguments about "oh poor me, they won't let me easily copy and distribute their product to my friends". Nope -- "I'm a collector, and game developers are awful people for not giving me my CD and this should be illegal and society should make laws to satisfy my collector quirk."

Are you fucking for real. Go back and read this fuckin' thread, dude, that's what people are fucking saying. "Make laws against this".

That's self-entitlement defined. It's not a charge, it's an observation made by an adult living in a society of law regarding another publicly made comment. I offered scrutiny from the apparently rare perspective of being a grown up.

And this is very much a childish argument. Like whining your dinner at the restaurant didn't come in a colorful box with a toy inside, or that the book you have to read has no pictures in it. They're not even complaining about the product, they're complaining about the package it's delivered in. Literally the same as saying "that meal is gonna suck because it didn't come in a McDonalds box". Six year olds think like that.

Gamers are the most entitled group of brats on the planet and this is just one tiny example it. Literally demanding useless plastic trash, not even a toy or anything you look at - no, just a useless blu-ray disc that the hardware all but ignores anyway.

And again - I'm calm as shit. Don't make the mistake of thinking a few paragraphs means I'm angry. That's just being lazy, you can read. Hell, you can even read criticism. And if you can't, get the hell off social media.

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

"i am very chill" you then proceed to write what is basically a screed doubling down--this isn't ban worthy but it is a bit silly, please do a little bit of self-reflection here about how this comes off right now

Itty53,
Itty53 avatar

It's pretty fucking immature (and gaslighty) to respond to valid criticism with "chill out bro".

Go ahead and ban me, you don't need to make passive-aggressive threats. You can just power-trip away. Don't forget to leave a comment that reads "user was banned" so everyone knows how calm and collected you are with your ban hammer.

And I'll say it again. *Deep breath, peaceful mind, thoughtful spirit*: That user is an entitled child who made a stupid argument.

Butterbee,
@Butterbee@beehaw.org avatar

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but that's not what gaslighting is and it's fairly disrespectful to those who have actually experienced that kind of abuse to just throw the term around because someone disagreed with you and asked you to calm down.

Itty53,
Itty53 avatar

When someone says a thing and you deliberately interpret anger where there was none (especially after they've said it, "I'm not angry") and insist they "calm down" rather than addressing any valid criticism or complaint they actually bring up, that's quite gaslighty. It's intentionally presenting a false reality and insisting I adhere to it "or he's just wild, he won't calm down".

Or "he's just a troll not worthy of consideration" as you put it. Which is definitively dehumanizing as well, but you don't see me whining about it. It is ironic though. Me calling childish arguments childish, whoa! You calling someone a troll, that's perfectly reasonable. You calm down.

It's not strictly the same as gaslighting but that's why I said "gaslighty". But go off about the hypothetical strangers I belittled, please, whatever gets you going down there.

mint,
@mint@beehaw.org avatar

Hey bud you're at like a 130%, I'mma need you to drop down to like a 15% please

Shift_,
Shift_ avatar

You're absolutely right. All these people shouting about "back in my day we owned games!" are forgetting that games have to be manufactured. Is all that plastic and pollution worth having a plastic rectangle with a different plastic circle in it? At the end of the day once you've played the game that's it, it's yours. Your experience is unique and it can't be taken away, don't cling to manufactured waste when what you cherish are the memories.

cnnrduncan,

Honestly if you're making the environmental argument then you also have to factor in all the electricity, rare earth metals, fossil fuels etc. used to serve games over the internet - data centres aren't exactly eco-friendly places, and running a worldwide network of fibre optic / copper cables takes a fair chunk of resources.

Shift_,
Shift_ avatar

Electricity can be generated sustainably. Rare earth metals can be recycled. We are working on alternatives to fossil fuels. Environmental issues aren't a zero sum game. You don't "Lose" just because something else also pollutes. It's an issue that is worked on systematically. Could it be a lot faster? Yes of course. But we work with what we have.

Data centers are also multi-use. You don't build a data center just to house your game. You pay for the space in one that already exists. A company can choose to make software available on a platform that is open to a large portion of the world, or it can spend cash and resources shipping boxes of plastic all over the world. The pollution and waste generated by shipping something across an ocean massive. Do you really want to put all that into the air so you can have the plastic circle?

ConstableJelly, in I’ve fallen into a deep gaming rut lately. What helped “get you back into” gaming and rediscover the magic of video games?

Have you played Outer Wilds by chance? I agree with many that it's probably one of the best games ever made, and I can't think of any game that better encapsulates what games should be capable of. It captures the magical potential of exploration and discovery like nothing else I've ever played. So many cool ideas waiting for you to figure out, and the process is just so fun.

Along those lines, I've just been growing fonder of smaller, indie-style games, which had never been my preference before now. Games like Gris, Little Nightmares, Hades (if you consider that "smaller"), Deliver Us the Moon have left a really positive impression. Many of them are imperfect, but I feel like there's a lot of love tangible in those experiences. Maybe I'm just imagining that, but they lack the bloat that has disillusioned me with a lot of the bigger games lately, and they feel more purposeful in general.

If you haven't, look through some lists of best indie games and see if anything jumps out at ya.

e-ratic,
e-ratic avatar

There are moments in Outer Wilds that left me grinning like a child. It hits at that same time of wonder I felt playing ocarina of time when I was very young

ConstableJelly,

Exactly! There were other times that I don't want to mention here cause I don't know how to hide spoilers, where my fully adult mind too was thrilled by some of the revelations.

flak,

My girlfriend got me to play Outer Wilds and the first thing I did was try to fly into the sun and she was just staring at me like “why are you like this” while I was grinning like mad.

HeartyBeast, in One of Steam’s best strategy games is free right now
HeartyBeast avatar

To save you a click: Crusader Kings 2

bigyamms,
bigyamms avatar

ty lmao

tal,
tal avatar

Also, note that CK2, like many Paradox games, has a lot of DLC, and if you get that, you're going to be paying a pretty penny.

Azabs,

Yeah, this game is kinda unplayable without a few dlc

CoderKat,
CoderKat avatar

I haven't played CK2 yet, but if its DLC is like Stellaris or Cities: Skylines, it's arguably usually worth it. Very expensive when you add it all up and not all DLC is worth it (e.g., the race packs of Stellaris aren't really that interesting), but for how much play time you'll get out of the game, it's pretty great. I regularly think about how often I want to go back to Stellaris lol. Part of the reason I haven't tried CK2 yet is because I'm pretty confident that I'll love it and be sucked in for weeks.

tal,
tal avatar

I mean, I'm not saying that the game is bad or not worth the money, but the announcement just says, unqualified, "free", and I just want to make it clear that there are some strings that come with that to people who may not be familiar with the way Paradox sells their games.

poVoq, in Apple has a Proton-like Game Porting Toolkit for getting Windows games on Mac
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Saving you a click: It's just normal WINE. Typical Apple: taking open-source software, hardly contributing anything back and also claiming its their own stuff. F*ck you Apple!

cavemeat,

ugh, how lazy

aRatherDapperFox,
@aRatherDapperFox@lemmy.ml avatar

What a joke... All the more reason I'm glad I left that ecosystem.

XLRV,
@XLRV@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, their walled garden ecosystem is really user hostile and against real innovation, I'm glad I only got an iPhone 7 and came back to Android.

byteseb,

Shouldn't it be open source? I thought Wine was licensed under the GPL

poVoq,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Sure, but they are combining but not linking it with their x86 to ARM transition layer and are keeping that closed of course. Also don't expect them to do much actual work on WINE itself as seen with similar examples in the past. For one of the richest companies on earth it is a disgrace to see such consistent freeloader behaviour.

iusearchbtw,

It's an inevitable consequence of permissive licensing, especially on behalf of a company as heavily invested in walled gardens as Apple. They won't do anything they're not forced to do, unless it will somehow benefit them way more than anyone else. It's as simple as that.

poVoq,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

They also do it with Copyleft stuff. But yeah, I am not surprised at all. I am more surprised that there are examples like Valve that do contribute back despite it potentially also benefiting shitty freeloaders like Apple.

iusearchbtw,

Do they do it with copyleft stuff? As far as I know, Apple has taken an aggressive stance against using or distributing GPL software, like refusing to ship modern (>3) versions of Bash, pushing for the adoption of Clang over GCC, and banning GPL software from the App Store.

poVoq,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Yeah, but sometimes they do use (L)GPL software like the example of WINE above. They just make sure not to depend on it in any substancial way and just leech of other's improvements or as in the case of CUPS hire the main dev just to quarantine him in a cellar or so somewhere until he resigns out of frustration.

cavemeat,

Good god, I despise corporations, but especially Apple.

iusearchbtw,

LGPL is still permissive as far as I'm concerned! But yeah, I get your point. The reality is that corporations like Apple will never do anything but (being optimistic...) the bare legal minimum, and permissive licensing willingly and knowingly grants everyone the right to take your work, extend it, and then pretend it's their own with nothing more than a footnote in a Credits text no one reads. It's leechable by design.

derived_allegory, (edited )

According to some, this is the source code they released: https://github.com/apple/homebrew-apple/tree/main/Formula 3MB of unreadable patch file with almost no documentation whatsoever.

Open source license cannot really force them to release "readable" source code. No matter how strong the licenses are, compnies that are dicks will be dicks. Nothing will change as long as people keep buying their products.

aksdb,

WINE is the foundation, but they added own stuff for their hardware.

Yes, they re-use tons of stuff from WINE. Yes, they should actively contribute back. But no, it's not just "normal WINE".

poVoq,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

They are probably also using MoltenVK, something that Valve bought and made open-source. Otherwise it is probably just their old Rosetta x86 to ARM transition layer. WINE had x86 MacOS support for a long time already.

aksdb,

Why "bet"? It's all open source. Just take a look: https://github.com/apple/homebrew-apple

A 3.5 MB patch is more than "just normal WINE" though.

poVoq,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

That is exactly what I mean: Leech off open-source projects, contribute back the bare minimum (and not even upstreamed) and then make a big announcement about the new "Apple Game Porting Toolkit"(tm).

scrubbles, in Star Wars: The Old Republic Going Third-Party as BioWare Focuses on Mass Effect and Dragon Age
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

This might be a good thing all around. Bioware needs to focus on DA and ME, they need love and attention to not have another ME:A or Anthem.

In addition 3rd party studios are usually trying hard to prove themselves, depending on the relationship it could end up great. Fallout:NV of course is a great example of a studio handing IP over to a third party.

Then there's Grove Street Games, so who knows

Onihikage,
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Bioware needs to focus on DA and ME

I'll just wait here for them to show ME3 co-op any respect at all...

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JCDenton,
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I must be one of the 10 people who liked Andromeda but I believe it was unjustly criticized. It is more bland that the Mass Effect trilogy but still a decent game.

scrubbles,
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Me too, I thought it was a fine game. It was not at the same level as the original trilogy - but I had a fun time in it. The story was fine, the worlds were a bit empty but fun, gameplay was fun. I put it on par if not a little better than an assassin's creed game.

bionicjoey,

You're allowed to enjoy something while still acknowledging it doesn't live up to the other entries in the franchise.

Lowbird,

You're also allowed to disagree and think it did live up to them, or exceeded. I know some die hard fans of Dragon Age 2, for instance.

I haven't played andromeda yet tho, I've no opinion.

_ed,

I played ME:A all the way through and.. so much filler. Not a train wreck though, I tried to start another playthough and couldn't do it because while the engine was good when you scratched the surface, it was just surface.

For the record I love the mass-effection of Dragonage called Dragon Age 2 so I get it.

scrubbles,
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Yeah that's why I compare it to Assassin's Creed. It was fun, had a good time, I wouldn't put it on the top tier of my favorite games though. I think people should just judge it for what it was, a spinoff

Exaggeration207,

I agree, BioWare does not need to be devoting its resources to SW:TOR at this point. It's been out for a good, long while and the fact is, MMORPGs are not big money-makers these days. There was a huge wave of them in the wake of WoW's success but none of them were able to achieve the kind of market success, player base or staying power of WoW. That ship has sailed, and it's only appropriate to let the BioWare devs get back to doing what they do best.

I don't have high hopes for the next Dragon Age game, but would love to be pleasantly surprised. They've changed directions so many times during the development of that game, so I'm expecting the end result to be a mess. Mass Effect gives me slightly more hope as a possible return to form for BioWare though, if they learn from Andromeda's missteps and focus on what made the original trilogy (particularly the first two games) great.

scrubbles,
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What have we even heard about DA4 yet? From my knowledge there have been 2 teaser trailers and a weird behind the scenes video, and just dead silence beyond that. I hope they're taking the time to just nail it. I've heard rumors that they think if they don't nail it that'll be it for Bioware and frankly.... kind of yeah.

Exaggeration207,

I haven't seen anything solid, just the occasional story here and there about the changing vision of the game. It was originally intended to go hard on the multiplayer game-as-a-service model but EA backed down after Anthem and a couple of other failures. I think now, they're back on board with making the focus single-player? I'm not sure though, as nothing official has come out yet. Maybe we'll see something about it at Summer Games Fest in the near future.

scrubbles,
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Yeah read the same, then silence since then. Cautiously optimistic for a great RPG.. but trying not to get my hopes up either. I've been hurt before

ChristinWhite,

I really want to see where they go with Mass Effect and I do hope they’ve learned from their mistakes. I actually think ME3 was better than 2 in a few respects right up until that terrible ending. ME:A turned out okay once they fixed the issues but it wasn’t the Mass Effect I was hoping for.

Helix, in Why I Miss Forums, and Despise Discord/Matrix/Element

I also dislike Discord mainly because it's all either walled gardens or information silos.

It's especially bad when you have Open Source Software doing stuff on Discord. If devs lose interest, all the documentation is gone.

jherazob,
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The average Dev absolutely sucks at documentation from the start, this makes it worse

Helix,

exactly.

noodlejetski, (edited )

it's really annoying. for people gaming on Linux systems there's this genius project called ProtonGE, a customized version of Valve's Proton that lets you played Windows games with some additional enhancements over Valve's version. there's a Github page that hosts the code and releases, but the readme file says that if you have any issues, you have to contact the developer on Discord. like... why? the issue tracker is literally right there, viewable for everyone without having to create an account. how's a glorified instant messenger better at tracking issues than the interface that's been specifically made for that purpose?!

Helix,

and the funniest part is: you could just bridge the issue tracker into Discord and get notified there.

AlolanYoda, (edited ) in Switch performs better running games through an emulator emulating the switch than natively.

That’s so weird. This isn’t about Nintendo hardware sucking: it’s running on an actual Nintendo Switch, except instead of it using the Switch’s OS and it running the game, it goes Linux -> Emulator (yuzu) -> game (running from an actual cart through a dumper) and somehow that’s faster.

It’s a software issue.

Is it the Nintendo Switch OS which is needlessly bloated? It does nothing, how can it be heavier than an actual Linux Distribution?

I’m not familiar with how the Switch works, but the dumper has a FPGA for decoding the cartridge. Is this something that the Switch has to do in real time in software, and maybe that’s where the performance loss comes from? It seems unlikely but I know nothing of the Switch’s internals or software. In fact let’s just say I know nothing at all, I’m just an idiot.

PS: Everyone who buys used Switch games should see this until the end. The dumper allows you to extract a certificate file from a cartridge. Basically, someone malicious could buy a new game, dump it including the certificate file, clone it, and resell the game. Then they would be able to play online with it. If you buy the original copy afterwards and play online, you are likely going to be the one whose certificate is flagged as fake, leading to you being banned.

Also, they could just sell multiple copies of cloned games and you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference… Except for the certificate, which would be the same and would signal Nintendo that you (and like 10 other people) are playing a fake game, unbeknownst to you.

eveninghere,

This is actually not surprising to me. I heard that Windows used to perform better on a virtual machine with a Linux host. The Linux kernel is very mature, and virtual machines (or emulators) use tricks to improve performance.

Natanael,

I think a bigger factor is the memory and resources reserved for the account system / store / online services, etc. But also, yeah the emulator might be more efficient on a few calls

Trainguyrom,

This has been big on some of AMD’s workstation and server chips because Windows generally doesn’t know what to do with the unexpected NUMA Node layouts. Or the scheduler just can’t handle 128 cores. So abstracting that away with Linux’s superior scheduler can help significantly on certain hardware

ReversalHatchery,

It does nothing, how can it be heavier than an actual Linux Distribution?

Are you sure about that? Data mining, even to the extents that take toll on user experience, is a common thing in consumer electronics

AlolanYoda,

To be honest I naively assumed Nintendo not to be the type of company (… Or even competent enough) to implement the type of data mining that would impact performance lol

senseamidmadness,

I have seen the phrase “the Switch is a telemetry nightmare” on CFW websites

gens,

Contrary to popular opinion, i’m gonna guess graphics driver. Specifically the shader compiler.

_Lory98_,

Is it the Nintendo Switch OS which is needlessly bloated? It does nothing, how can it be heavier than an actual Linux Distribution?

AFAIK the OS is based on a microkernel and the modules are rather small, so there’s probably a lot of overhead for IPC. Also I guess the power management is quite aggressive to increase battery life and lower heat.

realitista, (edited )

Yeah power management is the most likely culprit here. What is not shown is his battery life and thermals which I suspect are deplorable.

_Lory98_,

I remember there being a mod for cfw that unlocked a manual power setting slider and the results were similar.

vanderbilt,
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Additionally, as a high level emulator Yuzu sacrifices some accuracy for speed. It’s possible that this allows it to also be faster than the official implementation.

LunarLoony,
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One look at the Switch store app says everything about how sub-optimal the OS is

DarkThoughts,

At that point why not run the Java version when you're using Linux anyway? Java apps run great on Linux (compared to Windows) and this also allows them to use the Fabric based performance mods too which would boost it even more.

AlolanYoda,

Sure, this makes sense for Minecraft, and the video itself only compared Minecraft (for fear of being struck by the Nintendo Ninjas, which is an interesting fear considering everything else in the video). I’d love to see if other games, like BoTW or Pokémon S/V, have similar performance enhancements.

Kolanaki, (edited )
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The switch natively can tune the performance, which you might notice going from docked to handheld mode and seeing the quality dip.

The emulated setup is probably bypassing some of this, which would likely have a “safety” zone it never leaves to make sure the performance is always smooth and the battery isn’t being drained too fast, and it’s likely pretty conservative.

The Quest 3 does the same thing and using some tools, you can adjust the hidden visual settings of a game to make it look better or run faster at the cost of some more heat and battery usage. Natively, it really holds back what it will allow the software to do with the hardware because it’s focused more on battery life, and cranking up, say, Wrath of Asgard 2, you might only get an hour of battery but it looks and runs way better.

scratchee,

Yeah, the switch has an entire core locked off and everything is downclocked to improve battery life and control temperatures. No doubt this emulation gives everything more clock cycles (and perhaps an extra core?). Probably very short on battery and possibly very hot too.

AlolanYoda,

Ah, yes, this makes a lot of sense and is something I had not considered. Great point.

TwilightVulpine,

Ah, that's more reasonable than simply being a matter of system bloat. They should test for battery duration while doing that.

helenslunch,

The switch natively can tune the performance, which you might notice going from docked to handheld mode and seeing the quality dip.

Yet another problem. Steam Deck let’s me decide how much performance I need and when.

Kolanaki,
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I agree, but I mean… Nintendo’s primary audience are children and adults who aren’t necessarily tech savvy. The Deck’s primary audience is practically the exact opposite. Having it work is more important than squeezing out every last ounce of power for most consumers. The same applies to the Quest (though it is much simpler to unlock that power if you’re a dev or power user than a Nintendo product).

helenslunch,

That’s what default settings are for. Those who don’t care to configure them don’t need to. Those who do can.

Kolanaki,
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I just think of giving some mercy to the tech support team by not having the options where someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing could fiddle with it. The way you enable developer options in Android would be nice though. Fun even; it’s like finding an Easter egg.

In a perfect world, we’d be able to just use the hardware however the fuck we wanted without any barriers. 😞

tslnox,

I love the phrasing in the parentheses, which can be read as saying you’re either dev/power user OR a Nintendo product.

thomas,

Is it possible that the native card reader is slower than the usb-c one ? Maybe a bus bandwidth issue ?

Kolanaki,
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I would assume the cart slot is directly connected to the bus and should be faster than going through the USB port, but that’s just a wild guess since I don’t know enough about hardware let alone the specifics of the Switch’s.

Natanael,

The card reader isn’t super fast actually, but most games for the switch don’t rely on storage throughput (few heavy assets, etc).

Computerchairgeneral, in The return of Gamergate is smaller and sadder

The thing that gets me about this is that it's always some nefarious outside group pressuring devs to make their games "woke" or whatever. It never seems to occur to these people that the people making the games might actually hold those beliefs and aren't being forced to put them in games at gunpoint. Also, did the guy complaining about Ragnarok play GoW 2018? The fact that Kratos isn't the same person he was in the old series is basically the entire point.

scrubbles,
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I always love that. It’s some liberal plot all the time. Like video games artists aren’t some of the most lgbtq folk I’ve ever seen lol

Uranium3006,
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for disney, the rank and file are pushing against their own bosses. the gay you're seeing is what they got away with after their bosses tried to cancel shows. I don't know about video games but if you say so I believe you about it. I wonder what internal fights are going on?

metaStatic,

How many diverse representational check boxes are drug out on the street and shot so they can sell their uninteresting dross in China?

They don't have values they have a marketing strategy; and it's because of that marketing strategy that those check boxes are totally 1 dimensional, boring, and replaceable.

Actual diversity doesn't look or feel like a personal attack.
Go watch She-ra and tell me the gay dads aren't integral to Bow's character and try to tell me that isn't the exception to the vast majority of cardboard cutouts whose ONLY character trait is a single DEI check box.

ReCursing,
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She Ra was superb on that front, but representation matters even if its done badly

metaStatic,

you're not normalizing what you think your normalizing

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Honestly no. Bad representation is worse than no representation. This is an extreme example, but just look at Muslim representation in Western media. I mean just take the extremist terrorist Muslim, or the idea that Muslim women are oppressed and need to be "liberated" from their hijab.

Again this is an extreme example but this is what bad representation is; it reduces a group of people into a few stereotypical character traits. As a Muslim I'd rather Islam not be represented at all if this is what that representation will be.

AnarchistArtificer,

“The fact that Kratos isn’t the same person he was in the old series is basically the entire point.”

I always feel a little bit sorry for rage bigots like this, because of how dull their world and experiences must be. Like if he felt that the new Kratos felt narratively unsatisfying, or that his journey felt unsatisfying, that’d at least be an opinion with the potential to be interesting. But nah, it’s just “things are different”, with embedded implication that different = bad.

belated_frog_pants, in Netflix is reportedly exploring adding in-game ads to its gaming service

Fuck these companies lol. This is worse than cable ever was and is far more expensive.

Sail the 7 seas and tell them to get fucked.

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