Macs only get support for three years now. So you’re paying between $1,000 and $53,799 for a computer every three years instead of just updating the operating system in the same period of time.
So yeah, your right… This is inaccurate. It’s not $99 any longer, it’s starting at $1,000 every major update. If you’re outside those three years, too bad. No updates for you, and in a year or less many of your favorite programs will get updates you can no longer ever use again.
Apple machines are supported for like 7-8 years from launch
macOS is only maintained for 3 years (3 generations).
macOS 14 Sonoma just came out, so support for macOS 11 big sur just ended
I think that the oldest system that is still officially supported is the Mac Pro from 2013. So 10 years of support. Likely will not be officially supported next year.
Get your facts straight. Linux fan boyism is lazy and not supported in 2023
I know we all get off on a little Apple hate from time to time, why do so many of these things feel they need to make shit up? There’s so much real shit they do that you could just make fun of
I think this comic might have been from the era when you did have to pay for new versions of OS X… they stopped doing that around Lion I think in 2011 or so.
Hey, they could have taken the Google option and let the phones die at 20% charge because there was too much voltage draw for the aging battery to handle
Good luck with what? Replacing a battery at home is not that difficult on an iPhone, and it’s fairly cheap without AppleCare if you just go to an Apple Store. Covered if you have it.
You’re saying your 13 year old macbook is still getting updates? I know the Pro models usually have extended support, but 13 years sounds a bit extreme. The latest version of OS X that supports the 2010 Macbook Pro is High Sierra from 2017.
Updates? No, but still runs like a champ. Even so, an OS from 7 years after its manufacture date is pretty good. My main point was against your “after 4 years” you need to buy a new Mac.
I've got MacOS 13 running on a 2010 MacBook Pro with OpenCore Legacy Patcher. It's not the fastest laptop but it runs way better than you'd expect a first gen mobile i7 to handle a modern OS
No, but you’ll have to buy another 3000 dollar laptop that’s only worth maybe 1200 bucks because they arbitrarily decide that their hardware can’t support a new OS and lock you out of upgrading it.
We have them where I work and it’s the biggest time sink for our service desk to deal with, replacing with Windows 10 machines absolutely saved us from having to deal with constant “network issues” and Adobe projects that can’t be accessed on a workstation not running Monterrey or whatever version the person who last edited it was on, etc.
Fuck Mac, they’re fine for personal use (if you like wasting money) but are absolutely dogshit for a commercial environment where work actually has to get done.
Uh, what? Have you owned a Mac in the last 30 years?
That’s not how it works. I’ve had two macs in the last 20 years, and more than a dozen Windows machines. I had to reformat the Windows PCs every year or so for various reasons until they became obsolete after like 5 years, but my macs have worked for 10 years each with no issues, and always upgraded to the latest OS easily and always for free. Both my macs lasted 10+ years of heavy use (my current one is 5+ years and still young).
Every time a Windows update came out it was an ordeal and I dreaded it; with each update I’d start looking at the cost of replacing the whole machine in case it bricks and it’s just not worth fixing things. Mac updates are barely a blip in my workflow.
Adobe projects that can’t be accessed on a workstation not running Monterrey or whatever
This makes zero sense. The Adobe suite runs much better on OSX than Windows by orders of magnitude, even on outdated and non-updated OS. There’s a reason most designers and professional VXers have always preferred Mac. (eta: also, rereading, this makes even less sense because Adobe projects don’t care about your OS when opening; just the version of Adobe itself. You can easily open projects made on a whole different OS: Windows/OSX, any recentish version with no problem. Even files made in CS6/OSX can be opened in the latest cloud app on Windows easily. You’re either mistaken here or being deliberately dishonest for some reason.)
I’ve been in IT/software development and VX design for a few decades and I’m really wondering how this is an ordeal for you. It makes no sense to me. My 3000 dollar laptop has outlasted 5 1000 dollar windows machines. You get what you pay for.
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Also, in my few decades in the industry, the sales and marketing staff always ran Windows, but the design staff usually worked on Mac. That speaks for itself.
I don’t like apple but none of what you wrote has been reflected in my last 20 years of Mac experience. There is no “arbitrary” lack of support for older machines and in my experience machines usually get updates for several years.
I’m pretty sure snow leopard was the last version you could buy physical media for at the very least because that’s the last version I have physical media for lol
In my experience they are (comparatively) I absolutely hate using ipados and they messed up airdrop (because why support Bluetooth fileshare when you can have a proprietary protocol) between different versions of ipados with the latest update and now it doesn’t work half the time…
My 2013 macbook pro with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD has been deprecated by apple so the latest OS it gets is Big Sur, it has now been barred from signing updates (since they require the latest XCode which I cannot get with Big Sur) so its only viable life is via Linux from now on.
I have had to buy a Mac Mini with 8 GB of RAM and a 250 GB SSD to be able to upload updates for my iOS apps.
I mean I can afford it, but yeah, we are paying for OS updates dude.
That’s the reason they also updated their EULAs to set a minimum renting period of 24hs for providers like Amazon and MacStadium. They want you buying hardware, they don’t want to leave any easy way out.
except the time is spent learning something instead of waiting for the pc to update(or you can, of course, use one of the many common distros that require no time to understand, eg. linux mint, fedora, tuxedoOS etc)
You’re either memeing, and you use Arch btw, or you are a decade behind. Most PC users surf the web, print a PDF, and possibly look at pictures from their phone on a larger screen. All of those can be done from a vanilla install of most Linux distros. Before you say “yeah, but windows comes pre-installed on my pc” congratulations you’ve discovered why monopolies are bad, but also I can install Linux on my hardware before you’re done watching the “please wait while we are setting up your computer” and “just a few more moments” screens that give you absolutely no information about what is actually happening.
“I just heart my Ubuntu, and my computer friend was right: this was easy to install!.. wait a sec. What do you mean it’s only got 3 months of support left?!? You told me to get the latest version!”
If you want to do anything beyond using linux as a web browser, then nothing is simple. Windows and mac also have web browsers, but in addition to that they can also do a lot of other things easily.
You don’t have to open a single terminal window if you don’t want to, nowadays. Hardware compatibility is mostly excellent, outside some specific vendors that keep giving trouble (fucking Nvidia, go fuck yourself). I’m not sure what’s inherently complicated about the modern Linux experience otherwise, outside having to figure out what’s a distribution. Most have app stores with bunch of stuff available OOTB, excellent software, etc.
Now, I’d have agreed with you 10 years ago. Just installing Ubuntu on a laptop meant dealing with shit power savings and non functional sleep unless you were ready to tweak obscure config files and install stuff manually. Wifi support was a nightmare.
Unless you’re speaking about software availability, which is not something you can really blame the OS for. Unless vendors make their software available natively, of course trying to mess with compatibility layers like Wine will always be complicated. I still can’t fully get rid of Windows because of media creation software mostly - music/audio DAWs are slowly coming over to Linux, but most commercial plugins obviously aren’t following. The rest is pretty smooth sailing though. I haven’t had a single fluke with my PopOS partition in years, while I’ve already had to repair my Windows partition twice in the same period - once for a borked update, and the second it just broke itself after a power outage.
“please wait while we are setting up your computer” and “just a few more moments” screens that give you absolutely no information about what is actually happening.
Fun fact, Windows actually does have a verbose mode for these screens. It’s completely convoluted to get it to do it though, but you can lmfao 😂
It’s been awhile, but the gist of it as after the boot disk installation you have to stop it from rebooting and go back into the boot disk, open a command prompt, open the boot disk’s regedit, connect it to the registry hive installed on the drive and set some flags there and reboot
If you like pain, there’s a YT video of a madlad installing windows completely manually
There are still workarounds for getting new macOS on older not supported hardware (aka the OpenCore Legacy Patcher) which works very well, even with really old macs. But yes, of course, there are no official updates.
That’s not an Apple problem per se though, that’s an industry problem. Windows 11 isn’t officially supported on Devices older than 2018 and unofficially not older than like 2015-ish, if you want full functionality and a non-hacky install (because of TPM 2.0). Also, most Android phones have a notoriously short period getting updates (although that is getting better with some manufacturers promising and delivering way more than before).
Windows 11 isn’t officially supported on Devices older than 2018 and unofficially not older than like 2015-ish
Having old computers not compatible with the latest OS is not a problem, just keep running Windows 10. Having an OS that no longer gets security updates is a huge problem.
Fortunately Apple goes out of their way to ensure their hardware doesn’t survive that long anymore.
First I’m seeing it. That’s the thing with reposts, the venn diagram of people who have seen it, and of people who have not seen it is rarely a circle.
Lol, I mean sort of… They charge 2-3 times too much for their hardware (all of which is outdated save for some of their processors) and cut off any computer over three years old.
I’ve never in my entire life retired a computer after only three years. It’s so incredibly wasteful and greedy of them.
MacOS Sonoma, released Fall 2023, is available on iMac Pro, released in 2017. That’s the oldest they support, but even the lower-tier MacBook Air and Mac Mini models are supported back to the 2018 models. That’s six and five years.
Fuck Apple and their greedy business tactics, but let’s not just spread false information either.
Apple makes solid hardware that’s good for way longer then the software supports. Previously being a mac first user, I’ve taken to buying 10 year old macbook pros and putting linux on them for that reason.
2006 MacPro. I should use it as a server, but between the 32bit firmware and that it’s a space heater that only supports 6 drives without adding a SAS card, I have better options.
But you can’t decline them or postpone indefinitely. It’ll eventually force you to restart and update, and that’s a problem.
When updates break a piece of critical software and can’t be postponed indefinitely it’s a real problem.
I’ve also run into instances where my PC was performing a task that required several weeks of processing time and Windows forced a restart because the process time was longer than the postponement window, so a task that’s supposed to take 3 weeks suddenly takes 6 weeks.
Yes, security is important, but sometimes it’s secondary to the entire fucking reason a computer has been deployed, and Microsoft shouldn’t be dictating my priorities.
I forget the specifics, because I’ve had autoupdates turned off for a while now, but I think it would make you set “active hours” and then would do updates outside of your active hours. Regardless of you actually using your computer at the time. And, back in the day, my sleep schedule was non-existent, so there was no time that was completely safe for doing updates.
There was a time when you could postpone, but they got rid of that, or limited it… eventually you’d end up with an unstoppable update. It seems microsoft is trying tons of things to get people to stay up to date, but none are satisfying to everyone.
I prefer my method, which isn’t easily accessible to all, manually updating periodically. Sometimes I’m a month or 2 late, but the worst of the worst vulnerabilities ends up news and that’ll get me to update sooner.
There are high-schoolers alive today (maybe even in this thread) who were born after Apple stopped charging for updates. Maybe it’s time to get some new jokes.
This meme has been doing the rounds for few years now. Also, I don’t remember the exact date now when Apple stopped charging for updates. I assume it has been a decent long time since they last did so. The only pain point is Windows which takes the most time to update and has basically made dual booting tougher than ever, thanks to their ever screwing of Grub configs.
Last time they charged for an OS update was with Mountain Lion, which was also the last “big cat” OS. That was in 2012, and it was only 20$. The last OS release that was over 100$ (or even 50$) was Leopard, in 2007, at 130$. Back then, the only way to get it was on a CD, which is obviously much more expensive to manufacture and distribute than a download…
I miss when new macOS releases were actually paid and came with actually useful features that worked on pretty much every Macintosh they ran on for the most part.
I get the general point. Apple apps are more often paid and at a higher price generally. But Mac OS has been free forever. And when they did charge it was waaaaay cheaper than Windows
Which Apple apps are paid for? Their entire productivity suite is free, Office 365 is a hefty enough price. You get a free photo editing app, free video editing app and free music production app on every device. Of course there’s a couple of Pro apps for music and video but they are literally for pro users and generally the investment is worth what you can do with them.
That’s true, and I believe it was to lure people from using Windows computer / make the switch. I almost forgot that they charged it at some point though, it brings back memories!
I’ve always been curious how people who give away software for a living make that living. I have a few OSS projects but I make my living other ways, those OSS projects are hobbies and my living takes precedence every time because I like to eat food and buy things.
Like they can sell support, but I have never paid for a solution. They can sell packaged solutions, but I can compile it myself. They can survive on donations but, while I have donated to a lot of FOSS projects, I imagine most people don’t donate.
A lot of good FOSS projects start off as a company’s internal tooling, which they release to the public. The main source of income is sometimes an entirely different product/service.
More like, “Damn, another one, do I have to? Oh no, the new update removed that awesome feature/app I used and only added something super lame I never needed and will never use!”
When their last paid update launched, Mac’s were expected to last the better part of a decade, just like Windows (and certain Linux distros can last much longer.)
Today, Apple cuts off all support after just three years. Their “updates” are fluffy marketing bullshit. The latest one is just a bunch of wallpapers and screensavers.
Windows, on average, releases an update every three years, on average. Any computer thay can run it can get them for about $100. The cheapest Mac is $1,000.
So people are paying ten times more, all while they believe they are getting a great deal and “free” updates compared to the “paid” alternative.
The last paid Mac OS update was Mountain Lion in 2012. Wasn’t the last paid Windows update Windows 7 in 2009, since it’s technically possible to update all the way to Windows 11 without buying another license.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty to gripe about with apple, just like every tech company, but I swear half the complaints I hear about Apple products on lemmy are either outdated or just plain wrong
For some reason the anti-Apple circle jerk is supercharged on Lemmy. I’ll never understand why people get themselves so worked up over a brand they never have to do business with
Lemmy users just have better taste. Also all my negative opinions about Apple products were formed a decade ago and I haven’t had anything to do with them since.
I agree. I work in IT and often get asked what the best phone is when someone is looking. I tell them to go to the store and play around with a number of phones for a while. The one they seem to like best or are drawn to more is the one they should get. It makes 0 difference to me what brand of phone/pc/diapers/whatever someone else uses.
I have no problem telling non-technical people to get an iSomething. Most of the time, it just works, especially amongst its own ecosystem. Android on its own works plenty fine too, but getting it to play ball with other gadgets can be an adventure sometimes.
Apple clearly expects/intends you to get a Mac if you have an iPhone. For a notebook, that’s great, I like MacBooks… there’s no way I’m getting a Mac desktop, though. There’s obviously great interoperability with iOS devices and MacBooks but not so much with Windows. Apple has an iCloud extension for Explorer, but it isn’t very well written and wastes a lot of resources. I also have never been able to get windows to connect to the iPhone for a wired USB hotspot.
In general, the anti-apple cult is much stronger than the supposed pro-apple cult. I haven't seen people really give that much of a fuck about apple positively in years but if you prefer an iphone, some people insist you're obsessed with them.
My cousin’s and brother love to give me shit about having an android because it screws up group chats on their end. Sorry, but not getting a new phone and getting used to an entirely new system because a couple messages get wonky, and only because you phone’s manufacturer are elitist assholes.
on this site at least - you’re absolutely right, and the fact that you’re getting bombed with downvotes is pretty solid anecdotal evidence of that if nothing else lol
Don’t get me wrong, I get just as annoyed by those who insist Apple can do no wrong as those who insist they can do no right. I just find it weird how pseudo-religious people can get about Apple. It seems like you’re not allowed to just view them as another tech company. You have to either crusade against them, or else you’re a paid apple shill
Ooo that’s a nice feature lol - how’s kbin these days? I checked it out at the beginning but went with Lemmy - have they added hashtag following to the microblogging portion? And is there a good app?
It's been pretty steady. I've alternated between kbin and lemmy for a while. I generally only use the web interfaces... I don't think the kbin app is ready for release yet. Overall I like the interface more than the default Lemmy, though it has some strange aspects also. It doesn't seem there's a way to follow hashtags. Overall I find the microblog interface somewhat confusing (I can't even tell what the up arrow does).
At the time I made the comment, it was literally just those downvote and not one up vote(except the one by the OP), hence my comment
Its actually an interesting phenomenon I’ve noticed on reddit and now lemmy - if someone is getting down voted for something dumb like violating the circle jerk, if a child comment points it out, the downvote stop instantly and it starts being up voted 🤷🏼♂️
Either that or an elitist whose goal is “to appear rich”. Like, the flagship models of the major Android phones are the same price if not more, but for some reason having an Apple device is just some sort of status symbol.
I’m pretty sure the whole “iPhone as a status symbol” thing is a thing of the past - I literally can’t remember anytime in the last 5 years that anyone expressed envy at someone owning a iphone.
I’d argue that yearly upgrades regardless of phone brand are more of the status symbol now
Oh I agree entirely when it comes to people expressing envy or something. But I still see people bring up the status symbol argument when debating whether iOS or Android is superior.
i use a mac for work, so i got an iphone. An ipad replaced most of my laptop work. At that point the ecosystem just made sense for me. Apple are a bad company, but their shit just works for me.
Bright to you by the same people who will trash Windows over some aspect of the OS, and in the same sentence praise Linux for how wonderful and innovative it is for doing the exact same thing.
What exactly do people complain about Windows doing that Linux also does? Trying to be neutral here, but I can’t think of a single issue that is a common windows complaint that is also an issue on Linux. I can think of plenty of issues for both OS’s (and MacOS too fwiw), but the venn diagram of windows issues and Linux issues is just two non overlapping circles as far as I can tell lol
Mac user: I’ve never once paid for a system update and am wildly confused by this meme.
And hardware support continues for so long I’ve never had a machine be unable to run a new OS before I already needed a new machine (I used my ‘08 MacBook Pro for a solid 10 years no problem).
I feel like some of y’all have never used an Apple machine before.
You had to pay for OS X updates before, but they changed that around 15 years ago. I remember paying I think $60 to upgrade from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion.
As much as I hate Mac from the few times I used it for work and helping my wife I never remember paying for an update.
Also it may not be much but windows does get extra features in the yearly feature update. Recent updates brought built in winrar and the last one let you have tabs in notepad.
I don’t doubt it, but that has not really been my experience. Honestly the only OS I have used that breaks things after updating is Mac… applications, printers, and drivers just don’t work until the developer updates them, which sometimes can be 3-6 months after the release.
And my last one (involuntary Windows update) overwrote GRUB because of course that’s what I wanted, then after the first reboot not even Windows would boot and I had to create a live USB on my old laptop instead.
Semi-related but I remember the ancient days when the original iPod touch (not iPhone though) initially had paid OS upgrades - not too crazy for back then when the firmware was often done when the device shipped save for maybe a small patch or three. But there were also larger updates too but not too common.
And then I remember Steve getting up on stage proclaiming that Apple “has found a way!” to make it free.
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