I'm so thankful the kbin.social owner doesn't give in to the relentless cries and pearl clutching for censorship. You want piracy? Go right ahead! You want to make fun of politicians? Be my guest! You have the "wrong" political beliefs? Just don't go there if it offends you.
From my understanding, Safe Harbor Provisions in the US ensure that as long as the owner responds to DMCA requests in the allotted time, they are not liable for what users post on their sites.
Seeing as the Fediverse is way under corporate radar so far, it seems to be prudent to just wait and see what happens. Then maybe enforce a "no direct links to piracy" if needed. I don't think you can sue a site for simply referring people to sites that do have illegal content, just hosting.
Ok … do people not think that lawyers send out DMCA takedown notices and coerce police into taking into custody entire servers? Because lawyers send out DMCA takedown notices and coerce police into taking into custody entire servers…
I guess it would be Hetzner instances, news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32470266, and it would be Hetzner who would get contacted and potentially shut down lemmy.world in their case. Let’s not even talk about the people launching DDoS’es against lemmy.world and how they could abuse it similarly.
It seems lemmy.world has only blocked communities, not entire servers in this case. I mean, get behind all the comments calling for a migration to “avoid instances moderated by clowns” and migrate all you want (wishing migrating was actually possible instead of simply creating new users), but I personally will stay in the server who has a code of conduct that considers legal concerns and doesn’t think that just because they are on the internet in a less popular medium that will eventually grow that it will get ignored.
I’ll just move if it gets taken down for incompetence or bogus reasons anyway, because all the dumb drama doesn’t really matter in the fediverse.
coerce police into taking into custody entire servers
Name instances where this has happened, other than on entire websites dedicated to piracy. And overzealous hosting providers who shut down entire servers over a single DMCA (especially when the site doesn’t appear to host any content) should be avoided.
But I agree that it’s his own instance and he should do what he wants with it; that’d be the beauty of federation.
Did you miss the part “other than websites dedicated to piracy”? The kingpin was making 150k€/month from his piracy ring, not some guy running a small free message board.
n total, 10 search warrants were issued and 14 people detained or accused of IP crimes, including four who were arrested in Spain. According to Europol, the prime suspect in this case had been earning €150,000 per month and lived in a luxury villa, drove expensive cars and took luxury holidays all over the world.
really coerced them through legal proceedings, damn.
People are missing the fundamental point of defederation. THIS IS A GOOD THING.
You can have an absolutely squeaky clean instance for memes, news and generally huge sharing communities. Instances that dont have to worry about DCMA notices or having their servers seized and you can have instances that are willing to run those risks for niche content. If legal threats start being thrown around, the meme and hobby communities dont suffer. The piracy instances can shut down, migrate and start again, making the lawyers play whackamole.
That’s basically the WWW in a nutshell, applied to the fediverse. The problem usually is when they start going after the people and not the sites.
What matters more is the country the people and the infrastructure are being hosted on, since that tends to determine which laws apply. The Pirate Bay has been able to continue existing because of how Sweden allows content aggregators like it to exist.
It was inevitable and it’s not their fault. Because of how the Fediverse works it means they’re storing all content from those communities on their servers too. This means they’re storing piracy content and can be subject to a takedown.
We knew larger instances would defederate from piracy communities at some point, don’t take it out on the admins.
The communities discuss piracy, not host the content. They are two different things.
The user that requested it was a troll account create dhours before. The same user then went on to create a transphobic community and post hate. Not the sort of person the admins should be knee jerking to.
The Pirate Bay also doesn’t host content, just links to torrents. Why has it been taken down then several times already?
When you directly link pirated content it becomes a liability. Doesn’t matter if the actual content is on your own server or hosted with a third party.
Edit: Imagine my entire account being banned from lemmy.world for disagreeing with an option that was REVERSED after public backlash. LOL! Enjoy your propaganda cesspool lemmy.world users
It’s weird seeing otherwise normal working class people rush to defend admins, moderators, governments and authorities all the time in situations like this. I’m imagining some college kids working at starbucks or grocery stores picking up their phone in between customers posting replies championing copyright law. It’s embarrassing
As an administrator of many different public-facing services I’m always going to defend other admins right to moderate their services in whatever manner makes them comfortable, even if I don’t agree with their decision.
It’s weird seeing people who think they are entitled to piracy. Appeal to emotion all you want. It won’t work. Boo-hoo. Poor college kids. You are still not entitled, legally, to copyright infringement. Creators and publishes DO OWN their intellectual property. Your attempts at logical fallacies are embarrassing.
Explains how it’s OK for you to not pay an artist for their creation when they do not offer that art for free.
Human Knowledge was develeped socially, its fruit should be shared socially. The commercial use of other people’s work is unethical and it’s basically what every copyright holder company do, with or without the permission of the author. To lock human knowledge behind copyright is more than simply wrong, it’s elitism. Thanks to piracy, several books that aren’t published anymore, several games and several movies were able to remain. Doctor Who, for example, have tons of episodes that only exists nowadays because someone recorded them.
It’s seems like a reasonable choice to me, I don’t understand why this is being posted on mildly infuriating, you can just make an second account if you want to go to that instance
Lemmy isn’t one place. It’s hundred of independent places across the globe that communicate with each other. Each subject to the laws where they are hosted, the laws where they provide service and the judgements of their independent administrators.
It’s reasons like these that I like to create 2-4 different accounts on different instances for all around the fediverse , so that if one fails I’ve got a backup, but also so I can “pick and choose” which pros and cons of each instance I like.
It’s obviously more to keep track of, but I encourage others to do the same: create like 3 different accounts on different instances, and toggle through them whenever you need something that one offers that another doesn’t.
Actually no, or maybe combine that with a pop-up to move to another more open, freer instance - with automatic subs, blocks and settings migration. That would be productive.
I’m late to comment, so I may be typing into the void.
I understand the admin’s decision to limit their exposure to legal risk. I had similar experiences as a small business owner and you would be surprised how quickly most people’s idealism is tempered by the risk of potential legal action. It’s totally possible to believe strongly in the legality of something and its benefit to society (in this case piracy) and still choose to limit your own legal exposure. As far as I know, none of us paid to be here, so the polite thing to do is say “thank you for hosting us” and move on if it’s not your thing (or just make a second account).
I believe our current copyright/intellectual property scheme is broken at best, and designed to fuck us out of every bit of culture that has ever existed, at worst. Piracy exists because the system is broken and the industry is entrenched and refuses to adapt to customer demands. It screws music fans, artists, and probably the individual low-level employees of many music industry companies and organizations.
Greed … it’s the cause of all these issues. Greed on the part of the corporations and industries that run these services and own all this content.
If they just tempered their greed, lowered their costs, paid themselves less, shared profits with those who actually deserve it and made all of it more affordable and even cheap for customers … no one would think of piracy and we would all just feel comfortable paying for services and content knowing that the money we did spend was being shared fairly.
Instead when we all know that the profits they make just go towards corporate greed, giving away money to shareholders who do nothing and give little to no money to the actual content creators while artificially inflating costs on all of us just to squeeze more out of everyone … those of us at the bottom really don’t mind pirating content because we know that the only people we are stealing from are the greedy idiots that instead feel that it’s normal for them to steal from us.
Everyone pirates everyone else … it’s a matter of economics … either we pirate them … or they pirate us. If we all live with an understanding, we learn to live in balance without pirating one another.
Right now the they’re tilting the balance against us … which is why so many feel obligated to raise the Jolly Roger once again.
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