What’s the fucking point. The community isn’t even hosted on lemmy.world. I don’t want to have to create a new a account on a new instance every time a dumbass admin decices to block a community I follow. Lemmy is doomed to fail.
Maybe you can host your own private instance and smirk as you block everybody while the rest of us communicate.
This nonstop suggestion of “hOst yOuR oWn iNstAnCe” is rarely a good solution. They already know it’s an option. You never provide anything when you say it, except to display your own smug smirk as you tell your fellow lemurian to get lost.
And they don’t provide anything by whining about having to make accounts on different instances and saying Lemmy is DOOOOOOMED because of it. It’s the nature of the fediverse, deal with it or make your own instance.
We will deal with it by raising concerns among our peers, even as you callously tell us to leave. You make your own instance and leave others to communicate openly without your ugliness.
People can talk about piracy all they want here it seems. It’s when folks start giving very direct advice about how and where to do stuff that things turn into a legal grey area for websites. It also helps to not blow up a great source by sharing it all over the internet for the feds and ignorant people to easily find.
I’ve been on the internet for a long time. Back in my day, we just referred to the where as “the usual places.” Seems that’s not the norm anymore.
Devil’s advocate, all content is replicated onto federated instances, the admins of Lemmy.world may be afraid of legal repercussions in their country for technically hosting such content. Personally, I don’t think merely discussing piracy will get them in trouble, but their instance, their call.
But that’s the beauty of the Fediverse, you just migrate your account to another instance that isn’t afraid of repercussions or doesn’t have repercussions in their hosting country. There are a few easy to use migration tools out there.
That’s not the beauty of the fediverse; it’s its greatest weakness. The federation, defederation, blocking of communities and words (world even had a word filter smh) depending on what server you have an account on - this is the shit why the fediverse doesn’t have a chance to get to critical mass. It will never be more than a niche thing on the side.
No, making hundred accounts on hundreds of instances is not a workable solution.
I think that many users on here are clearly biased and will make arguments defending this aspect of the Fediverse because the users of the Fediverse likely skew on the “techy” side of things. Many times, when I see critiques of this platform that hold it back from being more accessible, I often see replies with some variation of “good, if it’s too easy then we’ll get those people”.
I think it’s an arrogant attitude that stems from a pointless sense of elitism over people who don’t have the same perceived level of technical skills. There are small, non tech and non political communities on the fediverse that will struggle to grow because of how unapproachable the Fediverse is and because of the gatekeeping that awaits them.
People visit content aggregators for two primary reasons: 1. Curated and personalized content delivery and 2. Social engagement. For both of those to work, you need people to continuously interact with the platform. That means you need users and you want them to be engaged. If it becomes difficult for people to get the platform to deliver on reason 1 and reason 2, people will lose motivation to engage. And no, people will not care if they can “easily” create a new account on another server to visit an instance that is now blocked because an admin of the server they joined (which, for most new users, is probably whichever they are presented with first) decides to take it upon themselves to make some big moral statement.
Personally, I don’t defend the Fediverse. I think it’s still too complicated to reach critical mass. I would like to see an SSO-style sign in where an instance can orchestrate a sign-in with another instance, so you can use your account anywhere.
I hate elitism, it has been a plight on the Linux community for years. I want the Fediverse and Lemmy to reach critical mass. I want the average Joe to be able to enjoy the Fediverse without having to become tech savvy.
It’s to be expected in this transitional time and period away from corporate social media, towards federated. It sucks, but it’s really not the end of the world. Cool your jets, salty
I mean I get it, it’s a business move. I’ll just make an account there and continue to use it. Pirates sail the seas with their own ship and crew - they’re used to this sort of thing 🏴☠️
I just have whatever ports forwarded but I don’t have signups public. It works fine except for the arm64 image not being updated but I switched to the other build of the docker image and it works.
It is relatively light on resources, you can even host it on your own PC. And it does not need to be public, just don’t expose the port publicly and voila…
Ah thanks, I couldn’t find anything about it. I run all my stuff on a server behind a Tailscale network, so nothing is accessible without VPN access. I thought it might need connections from other instances.
Turns out finding a good lemmy instance is a huge pain in the ass. I started on lemmy.ml but it was full of tankies so I moved to lemmy.world now they banned piracy so I’m on lemm.ee which gets a lot of crap from tankies still, not as bad as lemmy.ml but it’s really fucking annoying. Like I’m not interested in Russian propaganda or how the soviet union’s genocide was justified actually, please give the user a way to block all tankies and nazies and stop blocking things globally for everyone.
Dbzero seemed good until they mentioned anarchism and anti-right-wing directives which means it’s a leftist-first instance and that’s a no-go even if I do support their cause.
i’ve created an account the day the api changes was announced and i’ve never seen any political discussions around communism. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but i’ve seen far more complaining about tankies than tankies themselves
like reddit, if you avoid all and just subscribe to the communities you’re interested in then there’s no problem.
When I first came over i dove head first into it and it wasn’t that bad. Just well read, polite extremists I guess. Lot of issues on the left it seems. 🥱
You seem to worry a lot about “tankies,” yet you support piracy. You do know that capitalism is based on being able to produce a good or service and sell it to the highest bidder, right? Piracy is the opposite.
Why would you think I like capitalism? Tankies are just authoritarians that like red, very little to do with socialism. Like if you’re a tankies why support piracy? It’s not like there’s a strongman who rules over all pirates with an iron fist.
There is an essentially immeasurable difference between support for anarchy and support for coercive power structures. Marxist-Leninists hope to exchange one coercive power structure for another. It is little different from the imperialism it would hope to supplant. Piracy belongs to anarchy, not Marxism.
Piracy wouldn’t even be possible if it wasn’t for the people who actually produce the product being pirated. Anarchy doesn’t produce anything but chaos.
Is capitalism all great? Of course not, but it produced the foundation of piracy in the first place.
Can someone explain what a tankie is, I keep hearing it and getting called one but have no fucking clue what they’re on about
Also, you could just make an account for the dark side of lemmy for defederated things and then use another for regular usage, no? I basically just switch between accounts through my reader app
Someone who supports authoritarian regimes with socialist aesthetics. Originally coined when the soviet union rolled tanks into Hungary to squash their attempt at independence and there were people in Britain who liked that, those were the original tankies.
Yeah. You can usually find them on any post remotely critical of China or Russia, where they show up enmasse (usually from Hexbear where their explicit goal is to brigade other communities) to defend the genocides they commit because “Well America did it too so it’s okay to murder entire ethnicities” and dismiss any criticism of those countries as “Western propaganda” while simultaneously gobbling up CCP/Russian propaganda like it’s candy. They never argue in good faith, and get off on irritating people.
But I like all, there’s often new stuff there I would miss otherwise. Also an excellent source of new things to subscribe to. Also blocking every community on like 3 instances would take way more effort than I want to put in. Like why not add functionality that let’s users block instances they want, why require defederation for such a simple feature.
I just block them whenever they pop up on my feed. It is annoying but they have have ~20 active communities on Lemmygrad and Hexbear each, at some point you’ll run out of places to block and they’re gone.
Yea but what if lemm.ee decides to block piracy as well? Back to square one then. Honestly I’m thinking if self hosting at this point, at least then I get to decide on the bullshittery.
Oh my god thank you, been trying to find something that does exactly this for a while. Subscribed to hundreds of communities and blocked even more and I was seriously considering adding and blocking everything manually to another account on another instance. Thank god I was lazy with that.
Problem is, people from Hexbear/Lemmygrad don’t stay in their corners. They brigade and flood into other communities and instances to spread their disinformation and vitriol, and shut out any real discussion. That’s been their explicit intended goal, to deny everyone else a forum. You can block their communities, but it’s the users themselves that are a serious problem. I’ve been blocking every Hexbear user I see and there’s still more that keep cropping up.
Where do they do this? Do you have links? So far what I’ve seen is they comment on posts that go viral on their instances, as they’re allowed to do. I can’t say I’ve had any problems with Hexbear users.
Typically, it’s on any post that mentions China, Russia or Ukraine, especially on lemmy.ml. The defederation post on lemmy.ca (Link here) provides several examples of very poor behaviour by Hexbear users, and I can personally attest that it is worse than that, having seen it.
What is why? What is the solution we’re trying to solve?
Lemmy being imperfect doesn’t change the fact that it does solve one big problem: it takes the big corporation and its influences out of the equation. It is not possible for a centralized solution to do this.
To be fair, while Lemmy is a step in the right direction, I don’t think it’s aimed quite right. It solves one problem while introducing a host of others. I’ve talked about this previously in various places, but ultimately I think it’s a mistake to bundle communities, user accounts, and moderation all into the same package. It’s easy from the standpoint of “Lemmy is just a mini Reddit” mental model, but then you run into problems like exactly what’s being discussed in this thread, where you have instance administrators making decisions about what federated content their users are allowed to access.
A better design would be to decouple users from communities. Communities should be hosted on super targeted instances with similar communities who all can agree on content rules with each other. That in combination with some kind of central registry of communities and a mechanism to repost content between communities that wish to be partnered with each other would take care of that part of the equation. I would also invert the relationship between user registries and communities. The community should be where the user goes to view content in that community, just with an account provided by a 3rd party, similar to how OpenID worked. The only tricky part is working on how to do a unified front page with content from many communities, as that would imply that all that content would live in one location, and then you run into the legal issues of nobody wanting to allow arbitrary federated content to be rehosted on their server.
I fully agree. User accounts should be separate and content should not automatically be hosted on all linked instances. It’s not scalable and will only lead to endless defederations.
So join one of the smaller instances rather than the big ones. The big ones have been around a while long before the Reddit exodus for a reason, and that reason is because the people that were kicked out of the likes of Reddit already (so there must have been pretty awful), and needed somewhere to go. Inevitably you’re going to find that when you use those instances, you have to put up with these prats.
It looks really good but I’m quite hesitant to use a server in North America to discuss piracy. I’m looking into self-hosting at this point, that way I can defederate from who I want and it guaranteed my account won’t be gone because an instance shut down.
Also it should goes without saying but if anything less than full control is undesirable for someone, it’s pretty trivial to spin up a personal instance.
Yeah. Thankfully there’s an industrious community of innovative collaborators out there to keep those corners of the Internet thriving and findeable.
I make a lot of noise about how irritated I am at anti-piracy measures in my paid streaming services, but it’s not because I think they’re going to actually stop any piracy. It’s because they’re charging me an extra $1.00 per month for their stupid useless anti-piracy measures.
piracy is the only remaining counter force to the full blown mega corp monopolies that have full price control and right now showing us that with their way above inflation extraction antics.
It’s sad it has come to this but given failure to regulate and the concentration and capture of almost everything by these companies rent seeking everyone really requires some kind of counterbalance.
I’m guessing LW is also prepping for a shareholder sellout down the road.
They were defederated for legal reasons, not everybody has the balls to constantly fight expensive legal battles and dodging maneuvers. Nothing to do with politics. But if you did want to actually dispute some of their ideologies, I’d recommend next time actually listing their points and disputing them with your own logic and rationale instead of whatever this shit post was
Well yeah, the sub itself wasn’t illegal, but them linking methods and hosting lists of places to access can get you in trouble with hosting providers. It also increases your overall risk due to the nature of the piracy scene
Also, I’ve never claimed to be better than anyone else, just pointed out how useless of a pissing and moaning comment that was and made the suggestion to take a more constructive route 🤷🏻♂️
My bad won’t happen again 🫡 you can stop going through my post history now you caught me. I am indeed a part of the largest surge as of late, correct. You can also see such information in my profile info which you’re obviously aware of - but I’m glad to answer rhetoricals any time.
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