If you want to have a laugh at how ridiculous the whole market is, Trump’s Truth Social just IPOed and has the same market cap as Reddit even though it’s much smaller and full of insane people.
Hot take is I don’t think anyone should care about Aaron Swartz. He didn’t do anything for Reddit in the merger and left without doing anything for Reddit so who cares. He then died being a martyr for a cause barely anyone cares about and his death didn’t inspire any change to education publication/copyright. Nobody should care.
Edit: you can downvote me all you want but I would like someone to comment on 1 thing Aaron contributed to Reddit. Why should anyone remember his name other than ‘but he killed himself for the cause bro’.
So by that logic Aaron is relatively obscure right? Must be surprising to see his name on a Lemmy thread with so many upvotes. 2 or 3 references lol sure. I’m sure you haven’t also seen one of the 2 or 3 documentaries on his life either.
For someone who is tired of hearing about Aaron Schwartz, you sure have a lot to say about him, and seem to think about him quite a lot. More than me for sure.
He was also a libertarian techbro who thought ‘child pornography isn’t necessarily abuse’
In the US, it is illegal to possess or distribute child pornography, apparently because doing so will encourage people to sexually abuse children.
This is absurd logic. Child pornography is not necessarily abuse. Even if it was, preventing the distribution or posession of the evidence won’t make the abuse go away. We don’t arrest everyone with videotapes of murders, or make it illegal for TV stations to show people being killed.
In the sense that he actually was a “free speech absolutist” type, yeah. I think we can be pretty certain he didn’t do it himself though, otherwise the FBI would absolutely have charged him for it as they harassed him to death.
So, at some point, Reddit was going to have to be generating a return. Spez or no spez.
I don’t particularly like the route they took – killing the third-party clients was annoying and I think that there were ways to be a profitable super-forum site and still have third-party clients. But it was gonna be something, and whatever they did – more ads, selling data on users, only providing some functionality to paid users – was gonna be unpopular.
I would have been ok with reasonable prices for API calls. Bandwidth has a cost after all. But they so obviously set out to drive the third party apps out of business so they could sell ads in the official app/website it just disgusted me.
Also that new mobile site is so shitty, I refuse to believe it’s not on purpose.
What they didn’t see in doing so was that the core content of the site was curated mostly by people who used either old reddit or third party apps. Modding would be unnecessarily annoying without them. The content is, in fact, way worse than it used be, more importantly bots are in the open and with no counter. You can track the amount if reposts. As for mods they can be as toxic as ever, posting on reddit is hard unless you follow small subs or generic ones that let you post whatever. The site itself is the opposite of user friendly: they wanted to be an alternative to all other social media ever…but instagram, tiktok, youtube, even that deranged thing known as x, let you post peacefully amd without too many restrictions. Reddit…forget about it.
I don’t get why they had to drive out 3rd party apps for that? They try to make the ads look like user content so it seems like they could have fed it into the 3rd party apps. It must have something to do with the exact placement of the ads?
There were some internal docs leaked that made me think their real motivation was that they had signed some contracts for API access and pricing (probably a direct response to AI scraping), and that they were actually contractually obligated to close stuff down and/or set crazy prices. I think it may not have been about apps at all (or very little)
What do you think API access is? They have 100% control over how much they charge for access. There is no entity above them that they’re signing contracts with to decide pricing. There is no situation where what you just said makes any sense.
If you make stuff using money from investors who are giving you that money with the expectation that you will use it to generate a return, yeah, pretty much.
Absolutely. Although, of the 3rd party developers, Christian was probably the biggest thorn in Spez’s ass. Homie’s Apollo developer update posts were legendary and were covered by international press.
yeah he was the one who talked with reddit regarding that issue. idk about the thron thing though. at the end reddit still runs even after multiple subreddits shutdown. hope reddit’s stocks crash.
it might have hurt reddit’s userbase a little but definitely not a scar. he has already sold most of shares, so he will be sailing that ship until he can loot all he could and then jump to another ship when it starts to sink.
They dumped $50 million the same week as the IPO? Talk about confidence in your company!
Also, they didn’t have any lockout period? That’s also bullshit. I worked for a company during an IPO some years back and nobody could sell their shares for something like a year!
He sold about 500,000 shares. He owned, apparently, 3.3% of the 17.06 million total shares of the company, meaning he had a little over 562,000 shares. He sold almost all of his shares. That doesn’t exactly exude confidence in future growth, IMO.
It doesn’t, he had like 4.6 million shares before the ipo. The 500,000 number sold is just his class A shares. He’ll still have 4.1 million shares of class b stock after this it looks like. The class b stock has ten votes compared to one vote for class a stock for any shareholder votes I believe. So selling only his class a shares won’t change the percent voting control of the company he has by much. The person you’re replying to is confused about how many total shares he has. I don’t think the class b shares are being openly traded though, I think the ipo is just offering class a shares, which is what’s causing the confusion here. He sold almost all of his class a shares, but still has plenty of class b.
Yeah, I mean ipo’s in general are definitely a rich get richer kind of thing that screw over retail traders, but I don’t think there’s anything particularly unusual about this one.
The site’s audience grew rapidly in its first few months, and by August 2005, Huffman noticed their habitual user-base had grown so large that he no longer needed to fill the front page with content himself.[11][14][15] Huffman and Ohanian sold Reddit to Condé Nast on October 31, 2006, for a reported $10 million to $20 million.[3][16] Huffman remained with Reddit until 2009, when he left his role as acting CEO.[17]
Huffman spent several months backpacking in Costa Rica[18] before co-creating the travel website Hipmunk with Adam Goldstein, an author and software developer, in 2010. Funded by Y Combinator,[19][20] Hipmunk launched in August 2010[21] with Huffman serving as CTO.[22] In 2011, Inc. named Huffman to its 30 under 30 list.[22]
In 2014, Huffman said that his decision to sell Reddit had been a mistake, and that the site’s growth had exceeded his expectations.[23] On July 10, 2015, Reddit hired Huffman as CEO following the resignation of Ellen Pao[24] and during a particularly difficult time for the company.[25] Upon rejoining the company, Huffman’s top goals included launching Reddit’s iOS and Android apps, fixing Reddit’s mobile website, and creating A/B testing infrastructure.[3]
Since returning to Reddit, Huffman instituted a number of technological changes including an updated mobile site and stronger infrastructure, as well as new content guidelines.
I don’t think that he’s had a whole lot of faith in Reddit as a business since early-on.
They acquired Alien Blue, but what they put out under “Reddit” was not Alien Blue in the least bit. They basically bought it to kill it. I had Alien Blue. :(
My favorite way to visualize the meaning of “asshat”: the person is such a sad waste of human life that their entire upper body is effectively just a hat for their posterior.
Well, you wouldn’t expect it to in the growth phase.
A lot of consumer-facing Internet companies have a large portion of their costs be fixed costs. That is, a programmer or QA guy costs the same amount whether you have ten users or ten million users. But your revenue is linear in your userbase size. So you really don’t want to be a small company, if you fit that profile.
The idea is to burn money and grow rapidly to the point where your fixed costs are relatively small. It makes no sense to try to generate profit if you lose growth for it.
That’s especially true for social media companies, because for them, network effect is a major factor – the value of the network is something like the square of the number of users.
So you really want to be big, not small.
So the solution is to grow quickly, lose money during that period, then adjust and monetize the userbase when you can’t afford to burn money growing any more.
That transition to a profitable state after a money-losing growth state usually means that a company is gonna do something unpopular (since they’re optimizing for something other than appeal) and what Corey Doctorow was complaining about as “enshittification”.
The fact that Reddit lost money during the growth phase doesn’t mean that it was a failure – that would have been intended, part of the business model.
Now, if it’s losing money once the growth phase is done, that could be another story.
According to the second link, he sold nearly all of his class A shares, but none of his class B shares. His total share of the company went from 3.2% to 2.6%, which, is still not insignificant.
19% is still a lot higher than the “only 40mil out of a 16 bil stock” that I’ve seen mentioned and upvoted elsewhere in the thread. But yeah, not that big of a deal, I imagine. I was expecting him to sell over 30%
I don’t. Such as the nature of living in the conservative fascist multiverse.
You cant expect everyone to stop wanting to crush the weak just because you were born in a era of unprecedented technological advancement. Feudalism is still alive and well in some parts of the world, and it has been going strong throughout human history. For all we know, it will outlast democracy.
We are cavemen and cavewomen with space ships and computer phones. Stop having such high expectations for us dumbasses.
When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I’m rich and I complain about inequality they say I’m a hypocrite. I’m beginning to think they just don’t want to talk about inequality.
Some of these people have been with Reddit since the very beginning and this is basically their first practical chance to sell any of their shares - I wouldn’t read too much into their activity this week. For a company valued at $9B, having the founder & other executives only sell $41M in the week of the IPO if anything feels like the opposite of dumping.
From my experience, these people have lots more shares than what they sold. And aside from spez, it’s not really that much.
If I am not mistaken, these sales are also planned and public knowledge before the sales are executed. The key shareholders should know executives are going to dump stock.
But yes. This seems normal to me.
One thing of note is the average price spez sold for. That is actually below market value so it’s likely that his sale price was fixed, which I believe is a thing.
Yes. Insiders with that high a fraction of ownership exercise the ability to sell shares at a predetermined percentage value of a full priced share. Usually pegged to the closing price at the beginning or end of a quarter, whichever is lower.
I was thinking short sellers looking to profit would buy up as much as they could to make a bubble then short sell once the market started going sideways, and this chart seems to accurately reflect that:
There are no guarantees an IPO will pop, even a buzzy one. Uber debuted at the low end of their estimate and trended downward, for ex, and didn’t recover for over a year.
His purpose is to implement all of the unpopular shit, take off with his golden parachute, and then a new CEO steps up promising better mod tools and maybe better performance in the mobile app. They’ll make the users think Reddit is headed in a positive new direction with Huffman gone, even though all of it has been preordained and effectively nothing will change, but at least the users will have their bread and circuses.
Problem is Pao cracked down on the toxic hate shit that was making Reddit risky to invest in. It was controversial but ultimately a net positive for the community. Huffman is essentially selling seed corn by betraying developers and power users for short term gain (unfettered bot traffic, juicing native app usage, selling out to AI companies). A net loss for community morale and cohesion.
Ellen Pao was also the face of Victoria’s firing (who was actually fired by Alexis Ohanian). Other events outside of Reddit (her failed gender discrimination lawsuit and her husband’s own legal issues) also provided fuel for the then-nascent alt-right movement to position her as a feminist, POC bogeyman.
It is also hilarious reading the things she was vilified for back then. How quickly the “free speech absolutists” revealed their true colors when they tried to make their own platforms like Voat. I remember reading shortly afterwards how the sites became “taken over” by the alt-right as the MAGA crowd got more vocal, but the truth was they were there from the beginning.
Most of my etfs are doing better than my stock purchases, but I have had a couple big wins over the years. I’m expecting my reddit put options to be another, though.
No one is “keen” at day trading, some people get lucky and think they’re talented. The vast majority lose money because the big players make sure of it.
you definitely have people who go positive in day trading on average more than not by following some patterns and such, its just most people lack the kind of skills to do it and usually do worse than the index (even if they go positive)
I quit trying to day trade ages ago. I put my bigger investments in indexes or companies I think I’m more familiar with than “wall street” and usually long term hold.
If you have the money to spend/blow, the “correct” approach is to:
Put the vast majority if your money into stable investments. Index funds, bonds, etc. You should have a retirement fund with at least one of the major companies (I have had good experience with Vanguard and Fidelity) and they can help with that. This is for retirement and the like.
Put a VERY small amount into “one off” purchases of various stocks. Stuff like “I think this apple computers might take off some day” kind of purchases. This is not a retirement fund. This is gambling. But it still might mean you have money for a kitchen remodel or a rainy day.
But if you don’t have money to “throw away”? Do not buy individual stocks. Or crypto. Or anything other than what you need to have a life after you age out of the workforce because late stage capitalism.
I bought put options on Monday. So far the stock is doing exactly what I thought it would do. I expect to see it at 25 a share before they expire in a few months.
I’ve got a single $35 p for 4/19. Didn’t wanna go too nuts, I’ve seen plenty of shitcos reach ridiculous valuations after IPO like DASH, and then lose my ass buying puts waiting for the drop everyone knew was coming.
I was pretty confident this was going to follow the same path like what robinhood did when it went public and I threw a bit of heavier money at my confidence on it. Mine are $40 put options that expire mid July. Should be enough time to bottom out on the stock price before it starts to rebound and settle at closer to where it should be. Hoping to triple up on profits. Reddit owes me for the massive amount of ai data from comments I gave them. Lol
I think that would be shorting the stock, which is financially betting against their stock. It’s worth mentioning that shorting a stock has potentially infinite risk.
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