I’m sorry, but what was even the point of this post? What have you accomplished by coming here and then complaining about the content here?
It seems like the root of the problem is that you’re not really clear on why you’re here in the first place. A lot of us are here because we’re sick of corporate social media. For those of us that this applies to, we have seen what Reddit has done, we have seen what Meta has done, and we have decided we have had enough. Seems like you kinda just came here because of Reddit’s API changes, and have not done any thinking about the broader trends this is indicative of with regards to the way tech companies operate and destroy friendly communities on the Internet like these. To me, they have shown that they see this group of users as a business opportunity and money they are missing out on, and they will do everything in their power to take advantage of it.
If you have so much faith in these companies that you are even ambivalent about them following you to the Fediverse, what are you doing here, in an environment that was created to escape them? You’ve literally heard from former artists whose dreams and livelihoods were destroyed by Meta changing its algorithms, and you want to see what Meta brings to the Fediverse? Can you not see why we, who moved here to escape Meta, Reddit, and tech companies, would be annoyed and frustrated by that? I see you apologizing for that user’s loss, but are you really sorry if you’re chill with bringing those things back into the one refuge we have left?
Please just figure your shit out. If you don’t like memes, you can block meme communities. If it’s too much, you can go back to Reddit or Meta. Lick their boots and pretend they have a motive of anything but profit, and will do anything but attempt to poach users from harmless, open source projects like these and destroy them. I don’t care. But complaining about a platform to users on that platform accomplishes nothing. And for the love of Lemmy, don’t be surprised that people are angry when you maintain the facade of keeping an open mind to something that has destroyed so much for so many. In my opinion, you may as well be a part of them, because the attitude of indifference you display toward these companies is what enables them to destroy good things for the rest of us.
I’m not contesting the location of the post, just its content. I upvoted your post, because that’s how the unpopular opinion subreddit worked, so I assume that’s how this works too.
I freely admit I was annoyed when I made my comment. I’m sorry about that. I did make an effort to specifically phrase it so that it simply shares my perspective and doesn’t assume anything about yours; simply asks questions. I guess I just don’t get why someone would bother protesting Reddit’s API profit-driven API changes and move to a not-for-profit platform only to turn around and be happy to invite a profiteering entity with a terrible track record onto it. Sure, I’m annoyed by it, but I’m also just confused, because it’s… inconsistent. Do you believe Meta/Reddit and other tech companies are interested in just profit, or not? From a corporate perspective, can we not agree that Meta would like to incorporate Fediverse users into their social media, and will reap additional profit if they do, which is all the incentive they need?
I’m sorry I implied I didn’t see a point of your post. I agree with you on all the other stuff you mentioned about Reddit having larger communities, and so on. Yes, Lemmy apps are still under development, and they’re a bit buggy, and this is new and weird, and so on. Change always is. That’s all fine and valid, and I can see why your post is a bonding ground for all the Redditors (including myself) who’ve left in the last month. I’m just confused about the attitude toward the companies. Honestly, I’m really afraid of having to move to yet another platform if Meta comes here, and that fear manifests itself as defensiveness. So I wasn’t very nice, and I’m sorry about that.
not to be a dick, but good riddance to anyone implying meta isn't an unethical, monster of a corporation that is defined by it's opportunism, serves only it's own interests, and has forfeited any and all good faith it may once have had. trust them at your own peril, and go back to reddit.
csm10495: Hey, guys. Can we not be assholes about why we are here?
becool: Not to say "fuck you and get out" but fuck you and get out.
Personally, I see both sides of this matter. As a long time redditor, I am seething at the thought spez is effectively claiming "We are entitled to all the free data users gave us over the years and to jack up our API prices which will make for a worse user experience. I also think there is a right way and a wrong way to discuss the overreach of some people, like spez, who have a pathological lack of awareness in a way which makes constructive resolution easier and more imminent.
For example, instead of what you wrote, I might have said something like "Fortunately, reddit is still a thing and we can work on showing the people over there just how shitty spez's actions have been and how they will lead to a worsening experience for them while simultaneously encouraging them to join kbin".
I'm not saying your position and its premises are necessarily wrong; I am saying time, place, and manner of communication often -- if not always -- matter.
See… this is the type of comment that cements my opinion. I don’t really care about the ‘meta’ of the platform at the moment. Most businesses tend to be this way in this world. There can be a separate conversation on that pitfalls of today’s capitalism. I just want a link aggregator with friendly people that is usable for all.
If those friendly people wind up coming from Threads or whatever, that’s ok with me. It doesn’t have to be ok with others though, I won’t push my opinion on others at least in this context.
I gave my opinion and you gave good riddance. That isn’t exactly welcoming.
Reddit wasn’t welcoming to opinions outside the hivemind either, you just didn’t notice because you were inside it.
You’re basically telling everyone to be nice and pretend these same kinds of people who killed reddit for us won’t kill the fediverse when we have every reason to believe they will, and you don’t want us to talk about it or do anything about it?
I don’t really get why you’re here in the first place. If you liked reddit and don’t hate modern social media why not just stay there? People came here to avoid what meta could do to the fediverse and avoid what reddit became. Why are you acting surprised that people are acting that way?
You’re basically telling everyone to be nice and pretend these same kinds of people who killed reddit for us won’t kill the fediverse when we have every reason to believe they will, and you don’t want us to talk about it or do anything about it?
Up to now, I've asked probably like 6 times in various different threads on kbin / lemmy / mastadon
Nobody has given a concrete mechanism by which federating with Meta will kill the Fediverse. At most people just parrot out the acronym "EEE" and link the singular article by Ploum and pretend like they've said something meaningful
Federation is like email. I'm not going to block Gmail off from my email server because there are millions of people who use Gmail. It would be a disservice to my open standard to be blocking off millions of people from communicating with me. Instance owners are not going to give them their admin passwords. The Lemmy devs aren't going to close source Lemmy and license it to Meta.
It's not even like federation is a permanent thing. Instance owners can federate and as soon as Meta brings negative consequences they can defederate. The main risk I see is a large influx of people.. which is not a bad thing, especially once it stabilizes. It would mean more people make more subs and all sorts of niche things will start to pop up - the only really nice thing about reddit.
So tell me, what is the urgent crisis attitude for? How is this the end of the world? Why do we see post after post of people freaking out about this? Instance owners can't even sign an NDA without getting death threats.
You gave your opinion and he did as well. I agree with becool, Meta has proven themselves to be an extremely unethical and untrustworthy company throughout the years. I believe it's in the best interest of the fediverse for instances to distance themselves from Meta. That said, there's nothing stopping you from using multiple platforms, or working to foster the type of community and culture you want here.
This is still the very early days of the fediverse and it will no doubt change a lot in the coming months and years. If there were things you liked about reddit then try to bring that culture here and you might attract more like minded people.
I mean, there are dozens of rational and polite comments in this thread, and you’re choosing this one comment to ‘cement your opinion’. I’m a techie, but I don’t know if I’m one of those weird people you talk about, or just a normal person you want. I have noticed less hostility in the comments, and the hostile ones like this one stand out because the friendly ones are most prevalent. I also have been seeing more and more of the text based communities gain traction over the past week with more normal people stories, and hope they gain even more traction in the coming days.
As for Reddit, I have been occasionally visiting some of my niche communities that haven’t migrated over, but have decided not to participate in anything there. I have also noticed that the Reddit front page is now a lot similar to Lemmy, that I often can’t tell if I’m on Reddit or Lemmy. I saw a post there today about some guy playing a song on piano for 3 girls, and the top 10 comments with thousands of upvotes were all the same old Reddit tropes of panties down, floor wet, leave some pussy for us, and so on. I’m noticing them more and more because of how different the comment section on Lemmy is.
You don’t have to feel bad about staying here or visiting Reddit or doing them both at the same time. You have no obligation for either site.
That’s fair. I’m working through comments. Kind of got derailed by a trip to Grocery Outlet. Lots of positive comments in here as well.
Lots of nice response and good people. I guess I sort of made an example out of this one. Not everyone is like this. The idea of using possibly both this and Reddit isn’t really something I had considered since I wanted to protest them being dicks… but maybe that’s a good compromise till things get further along. 🤷
It’s really up to you. But I decided to cut off reddit completely because I personally feel like, if you don’t quit cold turkey, you’re never gonna leave (not you in particular). Mind you, reddit has been a huge means of support since the fullscale invasion if Ukraine started, so quitting reddit of especially divestment. But you know what, being without reddit has been easier than I imagined. I feel like, to truly help Lemmy pick up, we have to believe that it will and invest energy only here. But that’s just me. You’re not obligated to either community.
Reddit is somewhat known for being unwelcoming as well though?
For myself, honestly no I don't miss it at all. But mostly b/c I'll stay with Reddit, after a month's hiatus for protest, and probably only check it once a week for an hour rather than multiple times a day as before. There's a particular gaming community over there that doesn't post much content here yet, and even while I'm trying to help do my part there, I still want to be informed... which means at least reading Reddit (probably via Teddit to deprive them of traffic). I'm also on Squabbles too. Some people also are saying that kbin.social is more welcoming than most Lemmy servers, especially sh.itjust.works - I don't know about that b/c wouldn't you see mostly the same content b/c of federation? - but in any case it could be a thought to try different instances, maybe especially smaller ones.
It depends on what you wanted it for tbh. If you can stand to be on Reddit, then go for it? Maybe also stay here too, if you like certain parts of it, and get the best of both worlds. You can't force people to be welcoming, you can only find places where they hang out and then you hang out there too. Squabbles is fairly welcoming - it's being described right now as something like toxically non-toxic, as in activist-level hunting down of toxic personality traits, I can't really explain it but check it out if you are interested:-).
Good luck, and I hope that you find what you need. Also, please remember to use social media responsibly rather than let it use you: it is addictive regardless of what platform you find yourself on, and maybe you are awakening to that possibility b/c of the switch, i.e. if you moved back you would find that it was no longer "the same" as it was before, b/c of your new understanding of that fact? If so, hopefully these growing pains lead to something better:-).
I don’t think the point is to be welcoming to big tech messing up another platform. Seriously, which big tech platform hasn’t had a scandal around fucking over its users?
I understand the feeling of not having the kind of content you vibe with yet. There’s a lot of stuff on Reddit that I miss too. This is still primarily a Western audience, while Reddit was just starting to get popular in my country.
The insufferable people going on about open source and privacy is the reason we have Lemmy in the first place. If you don’t have strong opinions and a desire to get away from big corporations, why would you make Lemmy in the first place?
The algorithms big tech uses to boost engagement on their platforms is the reason things don’t stay friendly on their platforms. So, it’s fine if they come over but helping extend the reach of big tech over Lemmy is a serious no no.
Think of a union striking. Yes, it could impact your daily life and inconvenience you by making you late to your appointment. But, at the end of the day, they’re fighting for your right to reasonable working conditions just as much they are fighting for theirs. You don’t have to actively support them, just not oppose them for the slight benefit of your present convenience!
For example, the “normal” people are the ones who will complain about jobs going overseas but then not buy American because of minimal price differences! Here’s a link that talks about the case of American Apparel.
Reddit is part of the symptom. We need to treat the disease at its roots. And yes, that is going to take at least some amount of sacrifice/inconvenience on our part.
I think it makes more sense if you think of it like a system.
I’m with you, I miss it too. Lemmy and it’s instances confuse me, but I’m doing my part by doing my best at avoiding Reddit since I’m strictly a 3rd party app mobile user.
We will wait it out together and hope it gets better (I’m so tired of seeing crap about Meta and Threads).
If you had a good time chatting, they probably did too. Sometimes i have an extra drink and get too talkative and laugh too loud, but my friends look past my faults and like me anyway. I’m sure yours will too.
This community is designed and set up to help younger male users figure out the traditional traits of masculine leadership. Recent studies show how lonely and disillusioned young men are in particular. I think we should encourage good traits in young men. And no one said anything about some kind of personal attack against “fake men”. Sounds kind of like a personal issue to be honest, no offense.
If you’re a man and you do X, then X is a thing real men do.
Comparing what you do, as a man, to what other men do to check if “you’re a real man” is an inherently insecure thing to do.
These kinds of lists seek to destroy men’s self esteem. “You don’t do Y? Then you’re not a real man” is not helping anyone. It is a good way of finding men with low self esteem, or creating men with low self esteem so you can sell them things though.
I disagree, its just a guideline like self help book shit, if you let this type of content get you down or depress you i think you should seek a therapist idk cz im not a professional
You see what these lists do to people? They destroy your self esteem to the point that you double reply to strangers on the internet that don’t give you the attention you crave.
To Wigglehard: Please stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.
I said what needed saying, you told me to go my way and let you go yours. I was happy to leave it there, thanks for proving my point though.
I drive tractor trailer trucks for a living and only post while im working, sometimes i cant get back to the person Immediately. And your comment “ you double reply to strangers on the internet that don’t give you the attention you crave.” keep reaching cz tbh i dont care if ppl like it or not, im a keep posting stuff like i have on this website for the past three years and other social networks, if you don’t like this community i would suggest you stop being a cry baby about it and move the on or block me or this community cz your post is pathetically irrelevant to anything other than you basically saying “reeeeeeee how dare you define what a real man is, you’re destroying peoples self esteem mr wiggles, reeeeeee” Just my opinion mr fish dude
Post nut clarity makes you want to talk I guess, here’s the comment you ignored. Thankfully, you demonstrated my point about these lists and their readers’ self esteem:
Except these lists don’t uplift men.
If you’re a man and you do X, then X is a thing real men do.
Comparing what you do, as a man, to what other men do to check if “you’re a real man” is an inherently insecure thing to do.
These kinds of lists seek to destroy men’s self esteem. “You don’t do Y? Then you’re not a real man” is not helping anyone. It is a good way of finding men with low self esteem, or creating men with low self esteem so you can sell them things though.
I’ll admit fully that im a bit hot headed at times and never said i cant be an asshole so my bad on that, i did respond with my thoughts on young ppl men in particular feeling disillusioned in today’s society, i think society has forgotten and dismissed certain values, i think helpful discussions on make leadership or values would help, like for example why is it that fatherless homes are an epidemic in society, are men not living up to certain standards, idk what the solution is, im not a professional
Obviously, some men’s self esteem is through the floor. Articles like this one are actively making it worse and profiting on the misery.
Are men not living up to certain standards
You see that’s part of the problem. You think there’s some “man standard” you have to live up to, there isn’t, if you want to paint your nails that doesn’t make you any less a man. Here’s the man standard, the actual man standard:
If you’re a man and you do X, then men do X.
That’s it. Men who aren’t insecure about their masculinity don’t give a shit what an article says, they’re going to do what they want anyways, be like them.
After that, the problems become bigger than the stated scope of this community.
Oh dude, stop. Or don’t, hopefully everyone sees what you’re doing and how. Honestly, starting off with the whole “see a therapist if you’re that offended” (the “you snowflake cuck” was unspoken but loud, don’t worry) was waaaaay too obvious.
Real men don’t think therapy’s an insult (d’ya see what I’m doing there? My tongue, however, is firmly in my cheek when I write shit like that).
I dont care, “seek therapy if you’re insulted” idk man its the internet bro, we all see shit we like and dont like, get real, most ppl spend way too much time on the web, given a choice i think ppl would be better off working on themselves in regular life than stressing about what some random fuck face like me wrote on a shit website deep in the shitterverse
And you're posting a lot of abject nonsense about "real men". All men know how to be real men because they are real men. The only thing they need to know is to ignore the terminally insecure sadsacks who bang on about real men.
1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”
1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four Black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.
1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”
1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.
1993: In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”
2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”
2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a Black contestant, for being overeducated. “You’re an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything,” Trump said on the show. “At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’”
2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”
2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the “Ground Zero Mosque” — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it “insensitive,” and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, “Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.”
2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first Black president — was not born in the US. He claimed to send investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a “carnival barker.” The research has found a strong correlation between birtherism, as the conspiracy theory is called, and racism. But Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.
2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”
I realized how much of a marketing cesspool Reddit has become once I left it. That along with the whole doom scrolling has been toxic to my mental health. So I am much better off without it.
That said, the fediverse seems to be a little too small especially for niche topics. Plus the this world still needs some tool/interface to unify it and make it easier to use. I still go back reddit once in a while for those niche communities but I have logged out for the first time in a decade+ from reddit.
I have started focusing on my hobbies more, the whole reddit fiasco has been a reminder that it is not just FB that is bad, it is everything including Reddit and in time possibly places like this if it grows.
I remember joining reddit a few years back, and it was on the cusp of when it became a cesspool. I wouldn't post often (Maybe twice a month), but every time the engagement became less and less useful. Kind like how stack overflow users can never actually give you a helpful answer, they only link to other vaguely related ones, Reddit became "Oh, it's because x and y" to "Oh god you're so fucking stupid it's obviously Z".
And I just kinda dipped out to lurking on twitter, and then twitter became so god awful that I can't even open the app without feeling like humanity lost its way.
Anyways other than that Kbin has been doing me justice. I've never been more active on any other platform.
I feel like the key to all those places that get bad for general use but still has use is moving to access through unofficial means without bothering with any accounts, and taking interacting completely out of the equation. Like Twitter for example just setting up a RSS with nitter.net or Fritter app. So you get nothing beyond what you specifically want. No algorithms suggesting random unrelated stuff to you. And there's extra benefit of not providing extra telemetry either by using official means.
So basically what this guy is saying: "Let's go from reddit to another closed platform, so they could lock us again later the way reddit did". Nice alternative
Yeah, that's my concern when it comes to BlueSky as a Twitter replacement. Seems like the Fediverse is the best way so far to keep that from happening.
Microsoft Windows is a closed platform, while Linux is an open one. You could make the same argument, but that doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of things that Windows has going for it that Linux does not. While there is a subsection of power users who are fine with Linux, it's nowhere near what it needs to be to appeal to the masses.
I understand why an open platform is important to you, but it should not be treated as the only metric that matters.
I really don‘t get their point regarding the negative impact. A platform should never be production critical. No one should rely on it for solving production issues. That is what enterprise support is for. I think that this is just an excuse for not being bothered to participate
The mods just don't want to participate. All of the points they are using are just excuses.
It'll cause problems for people? Like the members have said, if a sysadmin relies on a reddit sub to do their job then they shouldn't be sysadmins.
It doesn't work? The pandemic would like to remind them what happened to some anti-vax/misinformation subs.
They're not political? I guess until the mods themselves are affected?
Now I'm not a member of that sub, but I just checked it out and there's a lot of members disagreeing with the mods. It looks like it's just the mod team's decision and not a reflection of the members' stance.
I see it as a massively inflated sense of self worth on the mods' part. Yes, /r/sysadmin has been handy for keeping up to date with events in the IT world. Is it the only source of breaking news? Hell no.
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