We need a movement for conscientious objection to ReCaptchas. I don’t want to be forced to participate in training machine learning models to identify sidewalks, crosswalks, buses and cars in order to go about my daily life digitally.
I don’t want driverless cars on my city streets. I don’t believe the fiction that this technology will ever be safe.
I do not consent to using my own cognitive labor to train the models that will mow down people on foot or bikes later with no accountability.
@cassey anyone got a better solution to offer? I understand the hate for ReCapthca, but it's the best most site owners can use currently to stop bots polluting their data. Keeping up with bots costs money, helping to train AI is the price we pay, if we asked users to pay real money or identify themselves instead it would add real barriers to web access.
@cassey We added hcaptcha (and email validation) to a project that we were worried about being very targeted by bad actors. Is there an easy alternative to making it more annoying for bots to signup that you recommend?
Edit: I do haaaate the AI nonsense, would love to avoid training them and am disappointed that hcaptcha might be doing so
Twitter isn't using it, and strangely enough, I didn't find their alternative too painful. It was entirely vision based and I didn't see any alternative to make it accessible, however.
If you come up with an alternative to captchas, I'd happily stop using these.
@cassey We asked scientists, philosophers, and religious leaders what it means to be human, and they all agreed it is the ability to recognize a crosswalk or a fire hydrant
@cassey Since I have Google blocked, I never see ReCaptcha. If a page won't open without unblocking Google in NoScript, I close the tab. This is much easier when you don't shop online.
You could also screw with Google by going to sites known to use ReCaptcha just to throw a bunch of wrong answers at them and screw up their data. Better yet, program a bot to do this as fast as possible, selecting photos according to the usual pseudorandom number generator.
@cassey@adrienne I object for the simple fact that my life is being made more tedious by the captcha not accepting my identification of “crosswalk” so I have to re-do it twice before it lets me through to submit a smartsheet form for my job.
sure there are layers of moral object but base level, they’re making my life more difficult and using me for free labor
@cassey Since over 90% of accidents are caused by HUMAN error. I'd feel more comfortable with driverless cars (when it comes to cars).
I personally can't wait until Level 4 automation is regularly available. There are six levels. Most advanced driver assistance systems available right now are at Level 2 (including Musk's so called full self driving)
There are a few at Level 3.
Once you ride in a Level 4 or Level 5, you will likely change your mind.
Once you are old enough that being old affects your driving, you will prefer it.
I don't drive, I typically ride a bike. I rather suspect I'm an edge case to driverless car software. It's not a comfortable place to be when the potential consequences are so severe.
@RadtkeJCJ If it helps any, bicycles are one of the cases that self driving address, probably a hell of a lot better than humans without assistance. They are one of the must pass test cases for Automatic Emergency Breaking. It will be required for all European new cars starting with the 2026 model.
My car only has Level 2 but warns me of a bicycle in my blind spot. If a bicycle moves to within the 120 degree viewing angle, it will stop. I watched it being tested
on several makes and models.
True Full Self Driving, not Musk hype FSD (AES Level 2), but AES Level 4 or Level 5 will have continuous 360 degree monitoring for all sorts of things, including bicycles, children, emergency vehicles, etc.
And, they won't have two beers in them and texting their friends.
@Ralph058@cassey The driverless vehicles on the road today frequently get stymied by things that human drivers almost always either deal with easily or avoid, and when they get stymied they behave in unpredictable, dangerous ways.
One of the things they seem to do pretty frequently, that human drivers very rarely do, is interfere with emergency responders at the scene (that’s not the only thing).
@Ralph058@cassey If driverless cars frequently and often dangerously screw up situations that human drivers navigate without incident almost every single time (or don’t even get themselves into), are they really an improvement? Are they really safer?
And levels of autonomous driving, what does that even mean? These vehicles aren’t even operating as advertised.
I’d rather have good public transportation and walkable communities.
@MisuseCase@cassey
Re: Levels https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update
So far as I know, there are no Level 5 cars available...even in research. There are some Level 4 which are being operated as if they were Level 5.
Virtually every state has laws against interfering with emergency responders. I'm sure that state legislatures just sat around and said, "Oh, what can we make illegal that rarely happens."
COPS have interfered with emergency responders.
I agree with:
"These vehicles aren’t even operating as advertised.
I’d rather have good public transportation and walkable communities."
@Ralph058@cassey In SF these cars get in the way of emergency responders all the time (it’s not a rare occurrence at all) and if they are doing that and also going out on public roads operating under false premises the companies fielding them should be shut down.
These are not safe to have on the streets and if they have poisoned the well for ever having fully functional, fully autonomous cars, whose fault is that?
@MisuseCase@cassey I would like to know how many times they really have interfered. When I searched on the subject, within days of each other, it was reported that it had happened 55, 68, and 85 times.
Cruise reports that they had encountered emergency vehicles 168,000 times without incident (I don't know if they encountered emergency vehicles 168,085 times or not)
I do know that ZF demonstrated a system that was able to detect and pull over with and emergency vehicle running a siren.
I do know the Mobileye has demonstrated being able to do it with multiple camera systems with their EyeQ4 processor based upon lights.
That is one problem affecting their performance. Every little Podunct town in the US has their own standards for identifying an emergency vehicle.
I live a block from a busy state highway and I see idiots not pulling over for emergency vehicles very often. I used to know an ambulance driver and he had tales to tell about it happening to him all of the time.
@Rhababerbarbar@cassey I would like to be excited about that but the page is so brief with no information about what it is or how it differs from traditional Captchas.... and the home page link on the right goes to a 404.
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