randahl,
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30,000 Palestinians killed.

— World leaders: “Israel has a right to defend itself.”

7 international aid workers killed.

— World leaders: “ISRAEL HAS GONE TOO FAR!”

If your moral values change depending on the nationality of the victims, you do not have any moral values.

All you have is racism.

DeeGLloyd,
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@randahl
I think your criticism is fair.

However, I'd frame it somewhat differently:

If will bomb a convoy of vehicles with logos visible from every conceivable angle during movements they coordinated with the & whose only crime was to feed people in who'd otherwise starve, imagine what they're doing to everyone else there.
It wasn't that long ago that they killed one of the Israeli hostages that managed to escape from .

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    @GhostOnTheHalfShell
    Three Israeli hostages that escaped from HAMAS were shot dead by the IDF?
    @randahl

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    msquebanh,
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    @randahl It's racism AND intentional, premeditated murders of aid workers(again). To scare off more aid workers off, so they can blaze on with genocide plans. It's also why they want to kick out Al Jazeera & other media outlets. They don't want any media documenting more of their genocide & war crimes.

    Please use stronger language to express what is really happening, in future. Because soft language doesn't suffice for this level of pure evil.

    wonka,
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    @randahl Israel has a right to defend itself, BUT no right to harm noncombattants and especially no right to starve them.

    Netanjahu should be in prison, and any Hamas personnell too.

    darnell,
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    @randahl The situation in #Gaza is tragic, but after #Hamas (who was elected to power) attacked #Israel 🇮🇱 on October 7th, 2023, they committed the whole area to the blowback of war.

    Hamas is (to put it bluntly) a genocidal organization that needs to be removed from power.

    They are comparable to the #KKK & #IslamicState in brutality.

    Until the 200+ hostages are released (including 6 Americans), the war will continue & #BenjaminNetanyahu will disappointedly remain in power.

    Dinger,
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    @darnell @randahl why don’t you tell us what year Hamas was elected.

    darnell,
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    Dinger,
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    @darnell @randahl I’m asking you because your point about them being “elected” in 2006 is completely irrelevant to your argument in support of genocide.

    darnell,
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    @Dinger @randahl Hamas being elected makes them the governmental power of Gaza. That is an important fact that only the willfully ignorant would ignore.

    It was the same when Nazis were elected in Germany 🇩🇪. Why would you overlook that‽

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  • Dinger,
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    @seachanger @darnell @randahl couple the with the fact that the Israeli right assasinated Rabin to prevent peace.

    Dinger,
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    @seachanger @darnell @randahl how is Darnell dumb enough to not understand Israel murdered two of their own hostages who escaped and were waiving a white flag? He blocked me

    darnell,
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    @seachanger @Dinger @randahl I am not a fan of & wish he was not in power (he was in the middle of corruption charges & is trying to stay in power in order to stay out of jail).

    👉🏾 https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/04/world/netanyahu-corruption-trial-resumes/index.html

    paninid,
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    @darnell @seachanger @Dinger @randahl

    Hamas and Likud need each other to both exist and act as a foil for each other.

    keengrasp,
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    @paninid @darnell @seachanger @Dinger @randahl Hamas is less Likud's foil than its pawn.
    "Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than
    two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009 that Hamas is 'Israel’s creation.' "
    https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/blowback-how-israel-helped-create-hamas/
    Why create a Hamas? Maybe in hope of Oct. 7 type attacks giving Israel a blank check to wipe out the inconvenient Palestinian population once and for all? Bibi's actions seem in accord with such a plan.

    gimulnautti,
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    @darnell @randahl two words of wisdom is all I have:

    Confirmation Bias

    kikebenlloch,
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    @darnell @randahl Your discourse is so 100% fucking complicit of the current genocide it absolutely makes me sick.

    Jennifer,
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    @darnell @randahl it's not really fair to say Hamas was elected and implying the people there chose this since the last election was in 2006. I agree about Hamas being a terrorist organization, and agree they should release the hostages, but a lot of people getting killed and starved weren't even alive in 2006 and have had no say in what hamas is doing. Israel is out of control and needs to be stopped from committing even more war crimes.

    darnell,
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    @Jennifer @randahl That is the sad reality of the situation. As far as 30,000 death toll goes, I am skeptical about that stat for two reasons:

    👉🏾 It is coming from Hamas’s health ministry who does not distinguish between combatants & non-combatants
    👉🏾 We will not know the real death toll due to it being urban warfare, until most of the fighting subsides (the figure could be much higher)

    I wish the civilians were temporarily evacuated beforehand, but I digress.

    Jennifer,
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    @darnell @randahl people are starting to starve. The current death toll is probably a guess, but it's not a guess to say many more people are about to die from lack of food because Israel has blocked all aid. I consider that a war crime. It's disgusting what they're doing, they are behaving no better than Hamas.

    darnell,
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    @Jennifer @randahl 🙄 Then what is your realistic solution for removing a genocidal organization who happens to double as a governmental power‽

    Hamas intentionally hides amongst civilians, along with their weapon depots & terrorist bases.

    War is an ugly affair, & no country would tolerate the existence of a genocidal terrorist group at the expense of their own citizens. That is a political reality.

    mycotropic,
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    @darnell @Jennifer @randahl

    "In an unprecedented move, according to two of the sources, the army also decided during the first weeks of the war that, for every junior Hamas operative that Lavender marked, it was permissible to kill up to 15 or 20 civilians; in the past, the military did not authorize any “collateral damage” during assassinations of low-ranking militants."

    https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

    That's genocidal, it's not up to us to determine a "realistic" approach for Israel to take to end a terrorist threat, it's up to them to do it and do it in a way that doesn't involve genocide.

    darnell,
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    @mycotropic @Jennifer @randahl Israel 🇮🇱 is fighting a genocidal terrorist organization who purposely embeds themselves within the civilian population in Gaza.

    Civilian deaths will obviously be in the thousands, but until Hamas is destroyed or the hostages are returned the war will continue. That is reality.

    Jennifer,
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    @darnell @mycotropic @randahl it will be impossible to destroy Hamas, and every day this continues will only ensure there are more recruits. This is also making the US less secure because we'll be the target for supporting war crimes. I mean I'm not an expert in this, how should I know. I've long thought what's going on there is unsolvable because everyone involved is so resistant to compromise. But I want to withhold $ and weapons until Israel allows in unrestricted food and medical aid.

    wolf,
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    @randahl I was actually expecting a reaction along the lines of: "Gee, six international aid workers were killed, but since one of them was a Palestinian, they're collateral."

    paninid,
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    @randahl
    I see your 7 international aid workers and raise you a Rachel Corrie.

    They do not care.

    Nothing will stop Netanyahu and the IDF from executing .

    They are pot-committed to become a messianic pariah state.

    Ralph058,
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    @paninid @randahl They've taken six months to erase 85 years of guilt from the west.
    They've made deep enemies of Syria, Lebanon, and Iran, at least. They now have changed 1.9 Billion Muslims from disliking them to hating them to their core.
    They're creating 100 ISIS and 1000 Hamas throughout the world.
    They do seem to be working making enemies of all of their friends.

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