protonprivacy,
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TL;DR There is no safe way to use TikTok, and our strong recommendation is to delete the app from all your devices.

Learn more here: https://protonvpn.com/blog/is-tiktok-safe/

mdepalol,
@mdepalol@discuss.systems avatar

@protonprivacy

Reading the blog post:

"However, the same is also true of Facebook, Instagram, X, Snapchat, and all of Google’s services. These services harvest a huge amount of personal data and, as Edward Snowden’s mass surveillance revelations exposed, share this with the US government."

So, basically what you're saying about TikTok is not different from any other USA controlled Social Media company right ?

US is just banning TikTok because they cannot control it, but are cool with the ones they can control.

protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@mdepalol Yes, you can find many more articles on our blog and on our Mastodon feed dealing with Meta and Google's services.

deeharmonic,

@protonprivacy Being anti free speech isn't cool. Fb steals more of my data without all this hassle.

protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@deeharmonic Check our blog and you'll find many more articles about why you shouldn't be using Facebook either.

Erendogu_06,
@Erendogu_06@mastodon.social avatar

@protonprivacy I've never used tiktok in my life so it's okay

badrihippo,
@badrihippo@fosstodon.org avatar

@protonprivacy I'd say keep around for a while to break 's monopoly. Uninstall TikTok by all means, but prioritise doing away with and first to keep the balance.

logickinlambda,
@logickinlambda@mastodon.social avatar

@protonprivacy

tbh, what is the point of using TikTok though?

Being tracked by many trackers, while the contents destroy attention span of a person, and misinformation everywhere.

I never use those because I can't think of any positive effect to these kind of "Short-form" video platform.

ojrask,
@ojrask@piipitin.fi avatar

@protonprivacy

Your take on X and Meta sites/apps?

protonprivacy,
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jdkiser,
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protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@jdkiser You can find many articles on our blog and Mastodon feed criticizing Meta's privacy practices too.

jdkiser,
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@protonprivacy There's no safe way to use Facebook or X/Twitter or Instagram or WhatsApp ... where are the articles telling you to delete the apps that lead to an actual insurrection? Or hosted by a company that turned chat conversations over to law enforcement so they could prosecute people who have abortions?

protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@jdkiser Hi there, we talk about other big tech alternatives as well: https://proton.me/blog/whatsapp-alternatives

danie10,
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@protonprivacy I know you mention it almost as a footnote, but the heading should have included Facebook and others as well especially where they fall under the US CLOUD Act. We've actually seen real evidence of Facebook abuse being exposed and data being sold to data brokers. I still don't see why TikTok is being singled out separately from Facebook.

Being outside of the US I have more real worries about Facebook than I worry about TikTok.

protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@danie10 Thanks for the feedback! We talk about Facebook and other big tech on our blog, and will pass this along to the team.

ghazi,
@ghazi@mastodon.tn avatar

@protonprivacy
What about ?
The same author wrote an article last year on how to evade censorship of Instagram. Would they write the same advice in case the US bans ?

https://protonvpn.com/blog/unblock-instagram/

protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@ghazi This article is a result of multiple users asking how to do that, and we also have many users relying on Proton VPN to access TikTok (based on the customer support questions we receive).
If you look through our blog as well as our Mastodon feed, you'll see many articles criticizing Meta's privacy practices too.

zetabeta,
@zetabeta@mastodon.social avatar

@protonprivacy
i'm going to put something what some people do not like to here!

start dumping with android and ios. then continue with google account, facebook account and apple id.

okay, maybe after those, remove tiktok.

hint: pinephone.

scottytrees,
@scottytrees@mastodon.social avatar

@protonprivacy Instructions Unclear. TikTok got installed on my refrigerator.

schizanon,
@schizanon@mastodon.social avatar
mmtech2012,
@mmtech2012@mstdn.social avatar

@protonprivacy
Why don't you recommend the same for Google, Facebook (Meta) ?

protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@mmtech2012 Thanks for asking! Our blog is full of reasons to look for alternatives to big tech like Apple and Google.

Colbycolby,

@protonprivacy buried lede: “However, the same is also true of Facebook, Instagram, X, Snapchat, and all of Google’s services.”

the_q,
@the_q@mastodon.social avatar

@protonprivacy TikTok is bad for mental health and national security, but please continue to use every other social media app because they are good for you and AMERICA!!!!

protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@the_q Please go through our Mastodon feed and our blog, you'll find many articles criticizing Meta, Google, etc.

thejacenallen,
@thejacenallen@mastodon.social avatar

@protonprivacy fearmongering nonsense

leeloo,
@leeloo@techhub.social avatar

@protonprivacy
Wait, since when is Proton supporting the NSA propaganda to get people to move from Tiktok to Youtube and Facebook where it's much easier for them to monitor everything we talk about?

protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@leeloo Hi there, not sure what you're referring to here. For sensitive conversations, there are safer alternatives like and .

karma,
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@protonprivacy How about using Google Firebase for ProtonMail notifications? Is it any better than TikTok? Please, I beg you to add Unified Push support.

You criticize other companies for compromising our privacy, yet you are no better by using Google services to deliver us notifications in your services.

somatalos,
@somatalos@mastodon.social avatar

@karma @protonprivacy In the past I had the same thought about Firebase. It would be very interesting to hear more about that. Tnx.

protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@somatalos @karma It is different because the notifications we send through Google Play services are end-to-end encrypted (between us and the app user), therefore their content cannot be scanned or logged.

somatalos,
@somatalos@mastodon.social avatar

@protonprivacy @karma thanks, I knew it was end to end but I was still wondering if through metadata with some big data technique, Google could cross-reference mountains of records to extrapolate various information.

Buugman,
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@protonprivacy

How about instead of a TikTok ban, we pass some US data privacy legislation?

Oh wait, we can’t because US tech has already bought too many politicians.

chiefgyk3d,
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@protonprivacy I only have it on my phone dedicated to content creation. The downsides of being a content creator unfortunately are I have to be on most, if not all, platforms.

travisfan1992,

@protonprivacy Youtube :

Rees Fleming 4247

www.youtube.com/@reesfleming4247

Worst torture case in the National Probation Sheffield, Severe misconduct.

high risk criminality ruining the lives of the public without arrest or trial. Misconduct, Breaches of the standards of professional behaviour, misconduct in public office, Unlawful access or disclosure of information and wilful neglect.

spelk,
@spelk@linuxrocks.online avatar

@protonprivacy how does tiktok privacy abuse compare with US big tech platforms, the NSA and such? Journalists especially vulnerable, see . Might be worth issuing advisories across the board?

protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@spelk We are - simply go through our blog or our Mastodon feed and you'll find many articles dealing with Meta, Google, etc.

Xanatos,
@Xanatos@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

@protonprivacy maybe this will finally convince a friend of mine to delete the app.

🤞

Thank you for the article.

protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@Xanatos Glad to hear it! 🙌

wowik_taken,

@protonprivacy @Xanatos your proton mail app still uses Google for notifications. The faster you set up notifications in a different way -- the better

protonprivacy,
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social avatar

@wowik_taken @Xanatos push notifications are end-to-end encrypted and other options are under review. We also provide the APK, rest assured your feedback has been passed along to the team.

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