thomasfuchs,
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And this is why people use Macs
https://journa.host/@mathewi/112322859973165069

Mpwg,
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@thomasfuchs On my Mac I have to google „upper 2“ to get this: ².

uriy,
@uriy@hachyderm.io avatar

@thomasfuchs Aye, for anything more complicated than an acute accent on a vowel (Ctrl+Alt) I just copy some foreign text into a scratchpad and compose my text with bits clipped from that, like it's a ransom note.

santiago,
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@thomasfuchs I must say I appreciate the rather recent feature in MacOS to just hold a key for a second to see other variants of a letter in some unusual language. Something I suppose was inspired by iOS.

kennergf,
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@santiago @thomasfuchs eu need that on Linux

santiago,
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@kennergf @thomasfuchs It’s so easy to replicate really. I wonder why it’s not there out of the box in most popular distributions (and let true hackers check it off).

datarama,
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@thomasfuchs I use a Compose key on Linux (hey, this is Mastodon, you were expecting a smug Linux weenie at some point, right?).

I can easily write æ, ö, ß, λ, ⊆, д, é, è and ☭, among many other more-or-less useful things.

(and this is also part of how US-ANSI keyboards ended up becoming my favourite physical layout, with the dubious side effect that I can barely use a Danish keyboard anymore.)

sarajw,
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@thomasfuchs huh. Didn't realise US layouts don't have the Alt Gr that I use for this reason on my UK layout keyboard. My full real name contains an é. I use windows on my personal laptop. It's fine.

molly0xfff,
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@thomasfuchs macs only help so much — i was just on the wikipedia page for "Multiplication sign"

breiter,
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@molly0xfff @thomasfuchs

For future reference: “Globe key” or ctrl+cmd+space opens character viewer. Select Math Symbols and there it is.

molly0xfff,
@molly0xfff@hachyderm.io avatar

@breiter @thomasfuchs yeah, except it takes me about as long to open that and search for it as it does for me to type it into google 😅

thomasfuchs,
@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io avatar

@molly0xfff @breiter you gotta get yourself a IBM Model M battleship (122 keys) and remap the keys

thomasfuchs,
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iamdavidobrien,
@iamdavidobrien@mastodon.social avatar

Also, we don't get ads on the OS UI.

Which is the stupidest fucking idea I've ever heard.

@thomasfuchs

thomasfuchs,
@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io avatar

@iamdavidobrien don't jinx it

maya_b,
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thomasfuchs,
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@maya_b interesting, I've using https://mrgan.com/gb/ for years for similar stuff

CStamp,
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@thomasfuchs Wait, PCs don't allow accents?

iamdavidobrien,
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Yeah, but you either have to

• change the keyboard language
• Not ideal, since your actual keyboard doesn't change
• memorise some pretty esoteric unicode strings; or
• use a virtual keyboard

Tbf, Macs don't handle all diacritics that well by default, but they do the most common pretty well.

Like Option then E gets you é. Option U gets ü and so on.

I guess that's a legacy of their prevalence in desktop publishing apps in the 90s.

@CStamp @thomasfuchs

CStamp,
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@iamdavidobrien @thomasfuchs Yeah, I use the French accents often enough to be surprised that PCs don't handle them as easily. Thanks, this is very interesting.

sarajw,
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@CStamp @iamdavidobrien @thomasfuchs they do fine if you're not using the US layout. I knew I had good reason to prefer British 😅

CStamp,
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@sarajw @iamdavidobrien @thomasfuchs For what? PC or Mac. For Mac, I'm a touch typer using US keyboard and it's nothing to add accents other than knowing which key commands trigger them.

sarajw,
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@CStamp @iamdavidobrien @thomasfuchs same for me on PC, because it's just AltGr+E to get É. I hadn't realised it was so much harder with standard US layout.

CStamp,
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@sarajw @iamdavidobrien @thomasfuchs Why is it harder? I think I'm missing something. Option + e = é on a Mac with US layout.

thomasfuchs,
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@CStamp @sarajw @iamdavidobrien It's hard on a PC with standard US keyboard layout, you need to memorize unicode codepoints.

gabriel,
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@thomasfuchs @CStamp @sarajw @iamdavidobrien You add the US international input method and use a [Win] shortcut to switch, same as on a Mac with Ctrl Space. The keystrokes are almost the same but I think I recall they follow the dead keys scheme —first accent then letter.

I’ve been doing this for years as my first language is Spanish.

Seriously, this claim is ridiculous.

thomasfuchs,
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@gabriel @CStamp @sarajw @iamdavidobrien The point is that on a Mac you don't have to configure shit for this to work. It just does (as it should on Windows).

gabriel,
@gabriel@fedi.gvisoc.com avatar

@thomasfuchs @CStamp @sarajw @iamdavidobrien You do, you have to add the US international layout for it to work properly. Accents are just the tip of the iceberg. Characters like these ¡¿ç ñ require configuring shit to work, exactly the same.

thomasfuchs,
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@gabriel @CStamp @sarajw @iamdavidobrien fwiw you can type all these directly on a Mac with US keyboard layout ¡¿çñ (just did)

thomasfuchs,
@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io avatar

@iamdavidobrien @CStamp it's a legacy of UI designers actually sitting down and thinking of these things (possibly back in the 80s)

iamdavidobrien,
@iamdavidobrien@mastodon.social avatar

To everyone whatabouting in this thread, I did say "they do the most common pretty well."

And that would mean the most common in English-language publications using foreign language words or terms for whatever reason.

Neither OS is perfect. Nor, I think, is it possible to be.

But Mac OS does a better job than Windows, as things currently stand.

I use both daily. This is my experience.

@CStamp @thomasfuchs

thomasfuchs,
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@iamdavidobrien @CStamp yeah fully agree, also using both daily

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