@mmasnick He misses the key issue IMO - that what matters here is fedi culture and federating w #Threads risks that being swamped by Threads culture. He pretends that moving instances is effective (it's hard and you lose too much) and also that running your own instance is a practical proposition.
It's a very poor response IMO, but seems typical.
Fedi folk are well meaning but overly focused on size and opportunity, thinking like tech bros, and not what makes Mastodon different: it's culture.
@mmasnick@Gargron - thanks ! well written. I’m embarrassed to admit that for a moment I thought (and hoped!) you’d explain how threading worked on Mastodon. But this is good too! #Threads
@mmasnick@Gargron Except of course it assumes a certain kind of "fair play" from Meta.
No ads in your feed? Sure, unless they just pump them into your follows output without their consent.
Can Meta embrace-extinguish the ActivityPub protocol? Of course they can. They start with "let's have a council of peers", then it's "we're big AP users, our adaptations are sensible" then it's "Mastodon is holding back AP...". It's not unreasonable to hope for the best, but good faith feels naive.
@mmasnick@Gargron so, I did join #threads because I am seriously sick of #twitter - but, here is the thing- Mastodon- with all its complexities- feels more of home than Threads. I amhoping Mastodon will be the stable alternative to Twitter
@mmasnick@Gargron@Teri_Kanefield So I tried Threads today. One of the biggest things for me, that will make me stick with Mastodon, is the fact that it shows you posts from anyone… not just people you follow. I’m not a fan of that feature. I think if they do in fact federate, it will bring more users to Mastodon because over here we’ll be able to follow Thread-users but on our own terms. (ie: feed control and no ads) #Threads
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A company with an infinite growth mindset and a complete lack of ethics isn't going to be satisfied with an audience they can't monetize. Either they're going to find ways to monetize Masto users or they're not going to add interoperability, but there is no universe in which Meta let's Masto instances get the content for free. That would be antithetical to everything they've ever done. @Gargron
@mmasnick@Gargron Yep. So much of the noise and criticism is rooted in fears that range from unlikely to impossible (like Threads somehow injecting ads into Mastodon feeds).
I’m pretty iffy about server owners who proactively block Threads rather than take the time to learn what federation with it means – namely, that users on either platform can follow and message each other, and that’s really about it.
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Unraveling the Mysteries of the Lost Colony of Roanoke
The Lost Colony of Roanoke is an enigmatic tale that has intrigued historians, archaeologists, and enthusiasts for centuries. Situated on the coast of what is now North Carolina, this ill-fated settlement has captured the imagination of countless
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Unraveling the Mysteries of the Lost Colony of Roanoke
The Lost Colony of Roanoke is an enigmatic tale that has intrigued historians, archaeologists, and enthusiasts for centuries. Situated on the coast of what is now North Carolina, this ill-fated settlement has captured the imagination of countless
@mmasnick I really can't say I'm satisfied with the answer to the Embrace Extend Extinguish question be "We have Mastodon Brand Recognition therefore we will be fine."
The birdsite has the brand recognition of an exploding dumpster fire and the bulk of its users are still clinging on for one major reason, the social graph. People you follow there that you can't replicate elsewhere.
@mmasnick@Gargron Didn't @Gargron speak with Meta behind closed doors and sign an NDA? How can he even be trusted at this point? He isn't allowed to say the truth.
@mmasnick@Gargron It seems like everyone is under the assumption that Threads will be a success. To me there’s a good chance it will suffer the same fate as the metaverse.
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So in the article is implied that "no relevant traffic is produced between instances that don't share followers" how does that relate to a Toot going "viral", let's say 500K people interacting (Fav, ReToot, Reply) how it translate to 1M people interacting and 100M?
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