@amberage Euro Series 2 aka. the new Euro bills with enhanced safety features, using the hologram strip on all denominations and switching to a fully-synthetic fiber in lieu of paper...
@kkarhan@amberage@TechConnectify They were extremely rare in the poorer part of the EU, I grew up in and I am not really sure many places would accept them. But Inflation can make your dream come true 😅
@kkarhan@antnisp@amberage@TechConnectify I'm not sure I've ever seen a 500€ bill. When I get cash, the highest amount usually is 100€ bills, but I really prefer 50€ bills. They are easier to break down.
Despite fuel prices having peaked €2,50/l last year in Germany, gas stations all seem to refuse 200€ & 500€ bills and in Spain, there was a time they ended up with a flood of 100€ bills yet all retailers refused to accept them, nicknaming the bills "Bin Laden" for some time...
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So the only places I've seen 500€ notes were banks (literally seen a drum from a dispenser full with them alomgside a Seeccie with his hand at height of his holster to nonverbally affirm that one can't take that 1M€ roll), car dealerships, electronics stores and even ALDI stores, the latter depositing any denominations over 50€ into seperate drop- or "letterbox"-safes to deny theft through armed robbery...
@kamikater@antnisp@amberage@TechConnectify so yeah unless you literally pull thousands in cash from a bank cashier desk, you'll almost never get 200€ & 500€ bills amd evrn €100 are relatively rare on ATMs.
For example waiters in #Egypt may have stacks of Euro coins but all the exchanges won't accept non-bills (Apparently for logistical reason - coins are heavy after all!)...
Which is why I tended to get a stack of 1 U$D bills instead since these are more practical to use for the recieving end...
@kamikater@antnisp@amberage@TechConnectify@fuchsiii So yeah I did handle some 500€ bills in the past, but none were my possession nor did I even have enough cash on me to even ask if I could swap them for lower denominations.
But just yesterday I did saw a person just in queue at ALDI with some €500 bills in their wallet...
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The 500€ was removed because criminals used lots of them in the UK and only rich Germans wanted it in the first place anyway.
@amberage@TechConnectify Is it again another US thing to put money unit in front of number? I'm from an Asian country and we put our currency sign after the number.
@nhan@amberage@TechConnectify Not an Americanism necessarily. USA, Mexico, (English) Canada, Australia, NZ use it as $9.99, though French Canadiens tend to write it as 9.99$
@RupertReynolds@amberage@TechConnectify Yup, here in Croatia (and other exYu countries, as well), the currency symbol goes after the value, it's the same in written and spoken language.
I understand the logic - this is in line with other units, and we say the word "dollar" after the number in speech.
But, dear reader, I was taught how currency works in school, and I am also surrounded by price tags both in stores and online listings, and am thus thoroughly bewildered by this.
@TechConnectify I find it a little bit funny that in German, 21 is pronounced "one and twenty" the same way that in US English, $2 is flipped around when read. I guess writing things down out-of-order isn't unique to any particular language.
@TechConnectify The use of 'the dollar sign' 💲 is useless and open to multiple interpretations. Let's use the internationally accepted and unambiguous three letter acronyms, as in USD, or CAD, or AUD, or BBD, or BMD, or .... #dollar
@TechConnectify I can only speak for myself. But it's entirely because I'm thinking as I type. And as you say if I'm thinking I think "it's about 50" and then I think the word dollars so type "$". Now as you state I should understand that I'm thinking about US currency and place the value properly. But I am quite literally processing my thoughts about as fast as my fingers. So yeah.
I wonder if it's a trait? Like is a certain type of person more likely to do it? Etc?
@TechConnectify I’ve slowly started putting the $ after the number and it just feels right. Before doing this I would tend to just leave off the sign and allow context to convey that the number was a money value.
I know this actually explains nothing as I have no explanation. Just a feeling.
@TechConnectify fun fact i recently learned while working on some currency localization for an app: cape verdeans put the currency symbol not before, not after, but rather in place of the decimal
@TechConnectify I agree with you. But one interesting thing about how we learned currency. The cents symbol is always after the number 50¢ not ¢50. But given how very rarely we use that symbol
Write "100.00$" then below that write "$100.00"
Now in front of each prepend "1,000,"
Which one looks like a believable forgery?
Also is why we're taught to put the decimal and zeros for cents even when there's no cents.
On a check this is a good thing(tm).
Just in communications, it doesn't matter.
Kids that have never seen a check in their life makes it matter even less I suppose.
@TechConnectify Understood, we'll try to refer to 200 US dollars as 840,200.0000 from now on to keep everyone but the finance industry equally confused.
Oh, man, this is a wild thing, especially once you get out of the USA.
Officially for Euros, the "€" Euro currency symbol or the "EUR" currency code are written, followed by a hardspace, then the currency amount (written with separaters in the local style)...
... in English, Irish, and Maltese. In EVERY OTHER EU COUNTRY, it's reversed. With the currency amount written first, followed by a hardspace, then the "€" Euro currency symbol or the "EUR" currency code.
So depending on the countries lived in and languages spoken by the person, "200 $" makes absolute sense bc that's the official way for them to write it if it were Euros.
@TechConnectify I am about the same age and I think that sounds awesome! I’ve never seen it, but it is weird linguistically to put it before the number
@TechConnectify I try to respect this oddity with the dollar sign, but sometimes my europeaness shows thru; same with comma vs fullstop for the decimal divider.
@TechConnectify I remember teaching math with problems involving units, some of which were currency. I’d sometimes put the dollar sign after the quantity especially when the units were something like $/kg or $/item (common when talking about marginal cost/profit), so it was easier to see how to do arithmetic with units (eg 3 $/kg * 5 kg = $15). At the final step, I’d move the dollar sign to front and say something like “This unit we typically write before the quantity.)
@TechConnectify what about something like price per unit? Now that we're mixing units, it's $0.57/fl oz, which is really messed up, compared to mph, m/s, psi, etc.
@TechConnectify USD is a unit. And we know that the magnitude goes before the unit. So this become natural whenever you start doing things like 2.5 $/s, 5.66 m^2/$, 1.618 N/($^e), &c…
@TechConnectify This must be some US thing 'cos over here the unit precedes the digits for every currency I can think of in arabic script (currencies of nations who do not use arabic script exempted, obviously, since if you're writing vertical pictographs this concept of pre- and post-fix doesn't map well)
@TechConnectify I would be interested in how that came to be. As you said, most other units get written behind the number (although there are exceptions, like Mach) but the only currency that does that is €.
@TechConnectify quite bizarre that so many English-as-a-first-language Americans are failing to be indoctrinated by schools & the vast majority of price tags & whatnot with which they're constantly surrounded - I assume this & other issues are because people are learning more & more of their language from peers on social media and the like, at younger & younger ages? I'm starting to question our convention of putting the currency symbol first, but f**k if it isn't wild not to pick up on it lol
@TechConnectify I wonder if the Anglophone use of the currency signal on the left comes from countries which traditionally used non-decimal currencies, at least outside of the US and Canada?
Having the extra fractional unit (£sd) would probably have meant the pound sign would go at the start, and countries which since adopted dollars continued the practice.
Also interesting how fractional units are represented in each currency. Here in Australia it's common to see the second decimal point excluded on price lists (a price list might have $7.8 instead of $7.80).
@TechConnectify At least there's a currency unit! My instant hackles-up thing is where it's just a number next to something on a menu. 12 what? Pounds? Dollars? Seashells? First born?
Actually, even worse is leaving out the second decimal - so pretentious.
There are many countries that put the currency sign after the amount, I think some even have a currency named "Dollar”. The EU is really funny that way — the countries all switched to the Euro, but kept their convention for where the sign goes. So here in Germany, we write 10€, not €10.
Funnily, you have something similar in Canada: The English-speaking part uses $10 while the French region follows the French convention of 10$.
@TechConnectify Not just you.
Currency belongs on the left in most countries.
The only thing that might change my mind would be using the currency symbol as the decimal point, the same way as we use R in resistor values (1.2 Ohms written as 1R2), but that only made sense to me because we couldn't type Ω before we had Unicode.
@TechConnectify I feel you. I see these occasional discussions about 2 spaces after a period. I learned to type on a big cast iron manual typewriter. I cannot be retrained at this point. When we all die, you won't have to see our 2 spaces. ;)
I don't how this came about, whether some vestigial Americanism or whatever, but the way I've seen it being used over here (Philippines), it's either ₱123.45 or 123.45 PhP. Also, ₱123k or 123k PhP.
@TechConnectify Very happy to see that more and more people are using the French Canadian standard and now write 200 $ instead of the old $200 notation. 😂 (Who ever says Dollar two hundred? It’s Two hundred dollars, makes sense to write it like that as well!)
@TechConnectify I low-key wonder if it's because of social media sites, mainly twitter, treating a dollar sign as a form of hashtag but for stock symbols.
@TechConnectify fun tangent: the swedish krona, SEK, has no symbol. there's technically the "kr" which you basically never see outside of reports from the central bank or lemonade stands, but it's not widespread. more often we tend to write "100:-" but the - is just a penmanship shortcut for "00". so we use the colon as a decimal separator, but only for currency. elsewhere, we use the comma.
microsoft excel, naturally going for the worst of both worlds, uses a semicolon for its swedish locale.
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