With how many atrocities occur in this messed up world (and the Middle East especially), it’s hard to keep caring and see it as anything other than a sport in a faraway place.
@knexcar compassion fatigue? This is something social media can help with, ironically.
I remember a few years ago when I was back on another site, a poster who was trialling 3D-printed field tourniquets (he was a medic) posted about his experience being shot in the leg by Israeli snipers who shot his colleague dead later that day.
Really brought home that these are just people like you and me, with hobbies and jobs and lives... and comment histories.
People arguing whether babies were beheaded as if they’re challenging a ref call. Their team is always right and 100% just, the other is always wrong and 100% evil and no one wants to hear that the truth is always gray and complex.
“Team” isn’t a term used exclusively in the domain of sporting contests. In fact, it is a military term, as well (although not as ubiquitous in that space).
Analytic and technical terms are sterile and effect a dehumanization of not only the actors involved, but also the outcomes of events.
I was going to say, I hear it plenty in informal settings in politics, business, and military. Probably not a great phrase to let the press get a hold of though.
"team" by itself just means a group of people working together to achieve a common goal, BUT when used in the context of "the other team" (with the definite article) it implies there are two teams working in opposition to one another specifically.
@Gradually_Adjusting's idea that this is most likely intended as a sports metaphor for Biden's audience seems reasonable.
I can't decide whether you're saying "team" is analytical and sterile/dehumanizing, or whether you're suggesting that actually calling Hamas "Hamas" would have been dehumanizing.
Israel has shown time and time again they’ll exaggerate evidence or flat out make it up.
They went full fascist long ago. And fascists first instinct is always to say evidence proves theyre right, but then try not to show anyone because it was a lie.
If you’re saying Hamas said that Hamas blew up their own hospital in Gaza…
No, I haven’t heard that and I’m going to need an actual source saying that. And Israel’s government doesn’t count because obviously they’re not a reliable source.
Gotta be nice living in your world where the good guy and the bad guy is so clearly obvious. Gonns be a rude awakening when you are rejoining us in reality.
Man, you can really tell who hasn't engaged with the matter aside from headlines.
Not even Israel claims that it was Hamas who fired the rocket. You would know that, if you would have spend just a little bit of your time actually reading articles instead of just commenting under them.
If you’re saying Hamas said that Hamas blew up their own hospital in Gaza…No, I haven’t heard that and I’m going to need an actual source saying that.
The initial claim was that Israel did blew up the hospital and this claim was made by the Hamas Ministry of Health itself.
The number of people killed in the strike on the al-Ahli Arab Baptist Hospital has risen to at least 500, according to the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza. news.sky.com/…/israel-hamas-war-latest-updates-ga…
Gaza’s Ministry of Health says at least 500 people were killed and injured. Both agencies are under the militant Islamist Hamas-led government.tagesschau.de/…/israel-hamas-krankenhaus-100.html (German News station)
So yeah, if something gets blown up in Gaza, who else is likely responsible?
The Hamas or some other terror group appareantly. Are you even reading what this is about here? Your lack of knowledge is a little bit embarrassing. Current evidence is showing that a mislead rocket by some jihad group hit the hospital and not the Israel military.
They lie about this stuff constantly so why would anyone believe them?
Israel is bombing Gaza indiscriminately, if something blows up in Gaza, I’m going to need actual evidence it wasn’t Israel, not just Israel claiming they have evidence it wasn’t them
They lie about this stuff constantly so why would anyone believe them?
But you do believe a ministry which is led by a terror group? Okay. I for myself will make my conclusion when the evidence is verified by different, independent sources. For now I dont believe any of them and it could be done by either of them.
The group cited several clips believed to be of the explosion from different sources and claimed the “geolocation and timing of the footage is conclusive”. However, they said their conclusions are not “proven fact”.
“That doesn’t mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason,” they wrote on Twitter.
“We are geolocators, not official investigators… To be sure what really happened, different official investigations are needed.”
Israel and the US have a lot more information and video…
Hamas and “independent investigators” don’t have that technology.
If there was proof it wasnt Israel, we’d all have seen it by now.
Apologies for the Daily Mail, but this is an audio recording of two Hamas fighters discussing the blast and stating it was from a botched rocket launch in a graveyard behind the hospital.
You can say they just made this up, but at that point you should at least admit that there is no possible evidence that would change your mind and that your view is completely inflexible.
What’s wild is that on Twitter, the official Israel account posted video “proof” of it being a rocket misfire has now edited their tweets to remove the video. Most likely because the videos are timestamped 20 minutes after the first reports of the hospital blast.
Ultimately, I'm waiting for some independent groups to analyze everything before making a firm conclusion. I've seen several different videos purporting to be the rocket, and now I'm seeing images that the only real damage was to a parking lot outside with a blast that really doesn't look like a military bomb.
Then again, the other side is Hamas and Islamic Jihad with so far no evidence. I am not trusting Israel blindly, but neither do I trust those two blindly. It's entirely possible that Islamic Jihad fucked up big time and Hamas tried to pin this on Israel. As far as fact checking goes, it probably needs a bit more time, but so far Israel's claims and evidence seem to check out.
No, the “other side” is all the civilians stuck between two genocidal militaries that don’t see the other sides civilians as humans.
Neither militaries are the “good guys”.
But if you can only understand black and white conflicts:
The difference is Gaza’s last election was before the majority of its citizens were born. And Israel has mandated military service and choose to have their current government
It's frustrating to argue with you, because you did not bother at all.
First of all: it's not Hamas, even by what Israel said. It's Islamic Jihad.
Secondly: it wasn't on purpose by that argumentation, it was a failed rocket launch. It would not be the first time a militant group with makeshift rockets had an accident, although this would be particularly lethal.
It's astonishing how much passion you put into your comments while refusing to actually read about what you talk about.
Because Im not taking Israels claim (that so far hasn’t been backed up by any evidence)…
I don’t “lack knowledge” I just don’t trust a government that repeatedly claims to be innocent for war crimes they commit, then later we find out they committed.
Speaking alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Biden said: "I was deeply saddened and outraged by the explosion of the hospital in Gaza yesterday, and based on what I've seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you."
"But there's a lot of people out there not sure, so we’ve got a lot, we’ve got to overcome a lot of things," Biden added.
If they have proof that the hospital attack was a Hamas misfire, I will hear their information.
I've watched every video they've posted, and every one seems like a patriot system intercepting a missile. So I keep holding out for a video that shows the moment of the hospital destruction, but so far, no luck.
I am starting to think we might never know, considering that Biden is going to commit to this story. Whether it can be verified or not.
Though, as far as Israel being the intelligence capital of the middle east. Let's just say, I've received better reporting/verification from Ukraine operations and they don't get 5 billion a year for intelligence.
Edit: new video has been discovered of the incident,
So I keep holding out for a video that shows the moment of the hospital destruction, but so far, no luck.
You won't get it. Remember that Hamas rockets are like two steps removed from being made in somebody's backyard. They don't have this kind of firepower.
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