centos, to fedora
@centos@fosstodon.org avatar

Congratulations @fedora on Fedora Linux 40. We're extra excited about this Fedora release, because it's the basis for CentOS Stream 10.

https://buff.ly/4aNKkYR

fedora, to random
@fedora@fosstodon.org avatar

Thank you for all the work you do with us upstream! We hope that Fedora Linux 40 is a great starting point for CentOS Stream 10.

To: @centos
From: Fedora

CentOS Stream heart locket meme

michelin, to RedHat
@michelin@hachyderm.io avatar

For @centos , , @almalinux , @rockylinux and other Enterprise Linux rebuild users, I'm happy to announce is now built for @fedora 9!

It will soon be a sudo dnf install fzf away, but for now, see this post for how you can install and give feedback

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fzf-available-for-epel-9/99817




vwbusguy, to random
@vwbusguy@mastodon.online avatar

I think I've finally tamed this setup on this cluster. Today's adventure was schema conflicts. Pods labeled with "app" while others are labeled with app.kubernetes.io cause a problem for inputs as it looks to OpenSearch like there's a string where an object should be and the flatten hashes on the output wasn't quite enough to cut it, but the dedot filter brought it in the rest of the way there.

vwbusguy,
@vwbusguy@mastodon.online avatar

@cmccullough @opensuse Well, now owned by , so that tracks! But I've ran on and successfully as well. I think I've only deployed on SUSE variants (SLE Micro, Elemental OS, OpenSUSE Leap Transactional Server).

resf, to RedHat
@resf@fosstodon.org avatar

Our experience has felt very positive. So many productive conversations both from stage and in the "hallway track" as stakeholders of various enterprise Linux communities came together to talk face to face, build relationships, and work to establish a shared vision for the future. Sincere thanks to the Fedora community for holding space for this necessary work.

rockylinux, to RedHat
@rockylinux@fosstodon.org avatar

Today at : Neil Hanlon, the Rocky Linux Infrastructure Lead, will participate in a roundtable discussion between various communities within the Enterprise Linux ecosystem about how to coexist and potentially collaborate to best benefit the EL community going forward. https://flock2023.sched.com/event/1Or6Q

fedora, to linux
@fedora@fosstodon.org avatar
itnewsbot, to opensource
@itnewsbot@schleuss.online avatar

AlmaLinux says Red Hat source changes won’t kill its RHEL-compatible distro - Enlarge / AlmaLinux lets you build applications that work with Red Hat ... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1955556

bconoboy, to RedHat
@bconoboy@mastodon.social avatar

In tech years, I'm pretty old. I started using Linux when it was easiest to get as a boot image and root image on the Banjo FTP server, maybe ftp.funet.fi. Later, SLS, then Slackware, then FreeBSD, OpenBSD (co-wrote the IP Filter howto)... then bought my company. I've subsequently spent more than half my life working at RH, and most of that time running Fedora, since Fedora was a thing. This is not impressive, I've just been here, and that means I have some perspective on .

bconoboy,
@bconoboy@mastodon.social avatar

Which leads me to the last few years. Every 3 years, we make a new major release, primarily from a subset of content, plus a few other upstreams. From that point forward, each update to that RHEL release isn't necessarily from Fedora, it's from upstream, where Fedora's sources come from. This meant that we couldn't have the kind of community that Fedora formed for RHEL. That's why we created .

omenos, to RedHat
@omenos@fosstodon.org avatar

Status update on the whole RHEL iperf3 saga...

The patch by @jonathanspw has been merged into @centos Stream 8! The c9s patch state is a bit different as the maintainer would rather backport than rebase.

This comes after Red Hat has now rated CVE-2023-38403 a Important, the second highest rating.

https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/cve-2023-38403

#redhat #rhel #centos #centosstream #community #cve #vulnerability

carlwgeorge, to RedHat
@carlwgeorge@fosstodon.org avatar

> We will also start asking anyone who reports bugs in AlmaLinux OS to attempt to test and replicate the problem in CentOS Stream as well, so we can focus our energy on correcting it in the right place.

👏

https://almalinux.org/blog/future-of-almalinux/

nemobis,
@nemobis@mamot.fr avatar

@carlwgeorge Good for AlmaLinux if this works. at the moment doesn't look particularly welcoming for new contributors:
https://docs.centos.org/en-US/stream-contrib/quickstart/

bookwar, to RedHat
@bookwar@fosstodon.org avatar

You didn't ask for it, but I wrote it anyway

https://quantum-integration.org/the-curse-of-bug-to-bug-compatibility

"The chase for “bug to bug compatibility” hurts community, hurts RHEL customers and hurts the industry as a whole. The real innovation behind the CentOS Stream is the attempt to change it."

vwbusguy, to RedHat
@vwbusguy@mastodon.online avatar

I have to admit that whenever I have weird server problems on Stream, there's always a question of whether or not it's Stream or something else and that lack of certainty usually is just enough that I often might not file an issue for Stream, but also just enough that I second guess running CentOS Stream over in cases where I don't want/need full on . When stuff breaks on AlmaLinux, I'm less likely to question the distro (even though bugs happen everywhere).

Conan_Kudo,
@Conan_Kudo@fosstodon.org avatar

@vwbusguy Here's the thing. When using @centos, the main point of value creation is when you participate in the project. Whether that's filing bugs/submitting fixes to or contributing/supporting SIGs like the Hyperscale and Kmods SIGs, you are taking some ownership of the project to help make it sustainable.

This is also true in @fedora, it's just new to community users of the Enterprise Linux ecosystem.

evasb, to RedHat
@evasb@c.im avatar

CentOS Stream should become a product supported by .

Red Hat has clearly a service problem, and if they want people to use instead of rebuilds, they should turn CentOS Stream in a product charging lower prices for live patching and extended support (maybe a subscription?).

They can maintain a clear differentiation between and CentOS Stream, with both serving different cases.

This backing of CentOS Stream will immensely increase the trust on the distro and increase its usage.

itnewsbot, to RedHat
@itnewsbot@schleuss.online avatar

Red Hat’s new source code policy and the intense pushback, explained - Enlarge / A be-hatted person, tipping his brim to the endless amount of... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1951251

ablackcatstail, to random

@gnarkotics I hope antics backfire on them when and start to get better than their upstream.

gnarkotics,

@evasb @ablackcatstail yep that's you, being a stan for . Being condescending to rebuild projects. Clearly either not understanding or deliberately downplaying 's attempted circumvention of
And now circling back round to support for some reason

gnuplusmatt, to openSUSE
@gnuplusmatt@fosstodon.org avatar

is it possible to compile your own ? Or ?

doesn't appear to be a bug for bug replacement and only has 5 years of LTS, with 10 if you pay...

This is a genuine question, I can't find any talk of this when discussing code drama the last few days

Conan_Kudo,
@Conan_Kudo@fosstodon.org avatar

@gnuplusmatt For SLE, it's possible. @adamw, @Defolos, and I were discussing it in another thread: https://mastodon.social/@Defolos/110605192192351928

But nobody actually needs 1:1, they need "good enough".

What has happened is that people haven't looked at critically to understand that it can suffice.

And it's a fully transparent build process:

Sources: https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/
Build system: https://kojihub.stream.centos.org/koji/

@carlwgeorge has stated many times that it's ~95% identical and is "RHEL compatible".

thelinuxEXP, to random
@thelinuxEXP@mastodon.social avatar

Red Hat answered a lot of the concerns about their last move. Makes sense to me, reading this.
I’m not saying I totally agree with the move, but I understand why they’re doing it.

https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hats-commitment-open-source-response-gitcentosorg-changes

gnarkotics,

@evasb @thelinuxEXP is an upsteam sandbox for new features that may or may not be included in the next release.
This specifically cant be used by projects such as or or the now unsupported because they wont be able to guarantee 1:1 correspondence with

It IS different and the TOS of developer program forbid redistribution of rhel source which is against

This IS a big deal, is NOT

evasb,
@evasb@c.im avatar

@gnarkotics @thelinuxEXP No. All updates are good enough to be included in and most of them are included. The differences are that CentOS Stream will sometimes receive earlier or even more updates (an earlier fix would be released sooner on CentOS Stream in a new package, RHEL would receive later in a later package if it is not critical in a new minor release).

The difference between RHEL and CentOS Stream is not the code or features that will be included in a new release (false), but is the cadence of the update releases.

gnuplusmatt, to RedHat
@gnuplusmatt@fosstodon.org avatar

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/14jq5nk/red_hats_commitment_to_open_source_a_response_to/

Most of the people bitching in this thread could use , those bitching about lack of support need to engage with their account managers.

Those suggesting that is suddenly anti opensource are on some good shit. 2 Upstream fully open distros and then one for commercial purposes is anti-opensource?

evasb,
@evasb@c.im avatar

@gnuplusmatt Sorry for thinking that you were a RH employee.

But my points stand. badmouthed in their manuals as if CentOS Stream was a competitor, and now they have to retract everything because it is simply not true.

I use CentOS Stream in some personal servers, never had a problem (I only wish something to easily update for the next Stream version) but I know that in many third-world countries people depend on these clones to make the ends meet. Red Hat just shrugged off and this is sad.

omenos, to RedHat
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