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adamw

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Fedora QA team lead. If Fedora isn't working, it's probably my fault! he/him/his

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smxi, to fedora
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More / CPU issues, it looks like / have changed a default standard path in /sys for unknown reasons, thus breaking inxi cpu speed collection. This tripped need to do more refactors, this time to the fake cpu data debugger logic, it was not complete.

Also, a new codeberg issue pointed out that in many I can get basic RAM/RAM array data from udevadm, which appears to dump some dmi data into itself, available to user.

Still tracking down root causes.

adamw,
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@smxi what "default standard path" do you think fedora is changing?

adamw,
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@smxi are you sure it isn't just something that changed upstream, or something? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any reason we would bother with patching sysfs paths for cpufreq. we don't patch stuff unless there is actually a good reason to. briefly looking through the history of the kernel repo, I can't see any commit that looks like it did anything like that.

adamw,
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@mjgardner @smxi @Perl I don't know enough about perl packaging to argue about it, but, I would suggest assuming good intent. there's no evil corporate goal to be served by fiddling with perl packaging. the way perl is packaged is the way the maintainer figures is best for Fedora users. by all means disagree and argue about it, but there isn't any conspiracy here.

adamw,
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@mjgardner @smxi @Perl there isn't a perfect packaging answer for any distribution, which is partly why there are so many of them (so you can pick the answer you prefer). for batteries-included languages, the tension is between convenience and "bloat". if someone just needs to run a small perl script with minimal dependencies, do they need the entire perl core library set? will they appreciate having it? what if they're trying to build a small container image?

adamw,
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@smxi when you say "core modules", do you mean everything listed at https://perldoc.perl.org/modules#Standard-Modules ?

adamw,
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@smxi that's what I'm asking, because I wanted to look into the details, but I don't know precisely what you're referring to. so I googled 'perl core modules', and that's what I got. I can 'query perl'? okay. how? perl --help doesn't say anything, nor does man perl that I can see.

adamw,
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@smxi like I said, I'm not the perl packager, which is why I'm asking. I'm just curious, and willing to look into it with some information in hand.

adamw,
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@mjgardner great, but that still wouldn't tell me if that's actually the list @smxi was referring to. but he gave me that list, so no problem.

adamw,
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@smxi apologies if this is a dumb question, but what do you mean by 'microtimers' exactly? if you mean Time::HiRes , then the perl package requires that. https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl/blob/rawhide/f/perl.spec#_338

adamw,
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@mjgardner @smxi yes, and if you read the thread, that's the command @smxi referred me to, so it's the one I used.

long experience has suggested to me that it is always a good idea, when trying to clarify an issue with someone, to double check that you both have the same understanding of exactly what the issue is.

b0rk, to random
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i don’t think i’ll ever understand monads even though I literally spent years studying category theory in grad school but I really liked this paper “What we talk about when we talk about monads” https://tomasp.net/academic/papers/monads/monads-programming.pdf

I love that it talks about cases where monads have been misapplied and the social aspects of how they’re used

(please do not try to explain monads to me and please no links to your favourite monad explanation)

adamw,
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@b0rk I'm kinda curious, what's your framework for deciding when it's just fine to not understand something? I'm assuming you must have one if you haven't gone entirely insane by now...:D

adamw, to fedora
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today:

  • caught up with shutdown email backlog (not too bad)
  • committed some updated needles I created over the shutdown but just left lying uncommitted on the prod server, did another small test fix
  • cleaned up the discussion thread on my big Bodhi PR a bit so it's easier to review (I hope)
  • updated openQA and os-autoinst packages to latest git
  • generated a big needle cleanup commit for openQA, put it on stg for testing
  • picked at https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/fedora_openqa/issue/108 a bit
adamw,
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i may or may not now be knocking off work a bit earlier than usual to play more mario wonder. if my boss calls, tell him code's compiling

adamw,
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@vwbusguy it's amazing. you gotta play it. i'm trying to 100% it so it's taking longer than just a playthrough, heh...

adamw, to random
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today: more epic battling with the bodhi container development environment. fought ipsilon (fedora's identity...thingy) in a no-holds barred battle and eventually emerged victorious: now the dev env has a kinda 'real' identity layer, you can log in as different users with different capabilities, and be logged out.

this required me to write, uh, four patches (so far) for ipsilon. but it was the last big thing!

now i just need to tidy it all up, add some wrapper commands, and finally submit it.

Mehrad, to fedora
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There was a bug reported a year ago in Fedora's bug tracker. Not only they didn't do anything for the bug (reproducing, fixing, documenting, ...), now I received an email saying that because Fedora37 is EOL, they will close this issue!!

This makes me wonder why on earth I would ever waste my time again filing a proper bug report to Fedora When they don't even care and they push things under the rug?!?!!

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2144186

adamw,
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@Mehrad hey! sorry we didn't spot it, but that bug is actually a duplicate of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2142968 , which was also highlighted as a Common Issue at https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-37-installation-fails-on-mac-devices/72838 . it was fixed in Fedora 38.

andyprice, to random
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"What is really needed, [Linus Torvalds] said, is to find ways to get away from the email patch model, which is not really working anymore."

https://lwn.net/Articles/952034/

Well I didn't think I'd ever read those words but I'll be glad to see Linux development moving in that direction.

adamw,
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@wolf480pl have you checked lately? because these days it does.

adamw,
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@wolf480pl that's what you see when you click the compare button:

aral, to random
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So I was being gung-ho and upgrading from Fedora Silverblue 38 to 39 on my laptop when the battery died midway.

Oh, the horror! 😱

Can you imagine?! In the middle of an operating system upgrade! Oh, no!

So I restarted and re-ran the command and finished the upgrade.

The End.

adamw,
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@felipe_ibarra @fedora @destructatron @aral that kind of thing is more of a job for . we don't do extensive development/customization on desktop environments downstream in fedora. stuff like making sure accessibility features work in the installer definitely is our job, though...

qlp, to fedora
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Well, my experiment of trying to load Workstation 39 (and the KDE Plasma spin) on my Surface Pro 3 ended with a whimper. Neither would boot with Secure Boot enabled or disabled and would come back with the following error:

Invalid image
Failed to read header: Unsupported
Failed to load image: Unsupported
start_image() returned Unsupported

I may try it on my XPS 13 with the flaky keyboard this weekend.

For now, I suppose I'll mess around with it as a VM on my MBP.

adamw,
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@qlp
Probably https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2113005 . we have actually known the fix for it for several years but haven't been able to ship it for hilarious reasons involving secure boot approval 😐 it only affects install media boot (an installed system will boot fine) and there's a workaround documented at https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/install-media-dont-boot-in-uefi-mode-on-certain-motherboards/71376

b0rk, to random
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started asking people to follow some very basic rules in the replies to my posts on here (like “no starting arguments" and “no unsolicited advice/explanations”) and it's going really well so far, everyone is really nice about it

Mastodon started off being much worse than twitter for me (at first I got a LOT of unsolicited advice that was not helpful to me). It's gotten way better and I really like it here now, but I think it could be even better

(1/2)

adamw,
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@b0rk but Julia, the LWN comment section is pretty sure you're just a silly little girl who doesn't understand git! they have explanations for you! so many explanations

adamw,
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@b0rk fair enough, I'm sorry.

adamw, to fedora
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PSA: if you're trying to upgrade to 39 early from 38, you may find it fails right now due to a file conflict in firmware packages. this is because F38's linux-firmware has got ahead of F39's. we can't fix it right away because of the F39 release freeze. it should be solved in a day or two. otherwise you can enable updates-testing, but of course that makes the upgrade a bit more risky.

nekohayo, to fedora
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I really hope the future #Fedora web installer will be much more reliable & performant than what we've had for the past 10+ years, because I suffer everytime I need to use the current version of #Anaconda. It's just super fragile.

It randomly hangs, crashes or slugs around, whether you're trying to pick the language, set up network (for the netinstaller), and to use the partitioning tool (any of the three variants). Everytime I have to touch this Ming vase, I ponder my #Linux distro choices.

adamw,
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@nekohayo try https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/39/Fedora-39-20231031.1/compose/Everything/x86_64/iso/Fedora-Everything-netinst-x86_64-39-1.5.iso . current f39 rc (probably the one we'll release, unless someone finds a blocker overnight).

adamw,
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@nekohayo "advanced blivet" is really just the app called blivet-gui . there's still going to be a button in webUI to launch that app (though it will run in standalone mode, rather than embedded into the installer).

if you think it responds unacceptably slowly, sure, that's worth reporting. I don't remember offhand whether i've seen that myself.

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