"Taking this vaccine offends my conscience. I ought to have the choice about what goes into my body, and a lifesaving treatment cannot be denied to me because I chose not to take an experimental treatment for a condition"
Hun, you're not the only person who is looking for a transplant. If you're not going to protect yourself from COVID-19, you don't get the organ. Plain and simple.
Yup. The courts have long held that being vaccinated can be a requirement of getting an organ transplant. Organs are hard to come by and they should go to the people who are going to listen to their doctor and do what needs to be done to keep that organ alive for a long time. If not, it should go to someone who will.
I put on the mask months before it was required because it was the right thing to do. I kept wearing the mask for months after they were required because it was the right thing to do.
You put on the mask when you were told to and took it off when you were told you could.
You call me sheeple? Give your fucking head a shake. You anti-reality cultists think with one brain and it isn’t yours.
I'm not sure whether I take more offense to people still calling the vaccine experimental or thinking it's a treatment. Being so desperately against something without bothering to even pretend to understand what it is or why irks the shit out of me. Good riddance.
THIS is the key point. She had made this her entire identity. When billions of doses had been administered to billions of people worldwide and none of them became magnetic, or sterile, or had tracking chips installed, or got 5G, or turned into monkeys and the world went on with life while she slowly killed herself while wailing about the injustice…she would rather die than admit that she was wrong.
It's worse than just being stubborn though. Being wrong and not willing to admit it is petty, but people are willing to go much further (up to dying, apparently) if they're too willfully ignorant to even be open to the possibility they could be wrong. This is some dark ages shit, and it's terrifying how much of it's out there in the wild.
For an "experimental vaccine" it's had a pretty amazing job at limiting the severity of covid and reducing deaths. If only all experiments were that successful
Language will evolve naturally over time. But to claim that hoping your children are intelligent/physically healthy is a form of eugenics is absurd. If QAnon was left-leaning, this is the kind of shit they would say.
I think it’s really funny that no one is taking the bait. All of the responses have been simple, on point, and non-engaging. That’s how you deal with a troll.
Disability studies, disability justice, disability theory, crip theory… lots of keywords for you to start googling. The other poster isn’t wrong: prioritizing intelligence and health in a child is the theory behind the practice of eugenics. Yes, these are strong words… but they’re not wrong.
I am. Disabled people are. People who work with disabled people are. I understand that this topic doesn’t interest you, but that doesn’t mean it’s not fucking important for a lot of us.
I think that people who are unvaxed shouldn’t get priority for transplants.
Even so, it’s not inappropriate to call out ableism in any topic. If somebody was racist, or sexist, or discriminatory in any other form, would you say, “Hey, we’re not talking about racism — stop hijacking the conversation”?
EDIT: For everyone else reading this: This is what people do when they feel uncomfortable with being called out. They deflect, refuse to admit they could be wrong, and stop engaging. That’s actually a fairly normal response. It’s hard to admit that, for example, ableist comments can be as harmful as racist comments. It’s okay to stop talking as long as one doesn’t stop thinking.
I wonder if you’d be able to take a step backward and consider that the linked article was written in earnest because it reflects a valid way of looking at the world that you may never have considered before. People disagreeing with you may not actually be trolling, but presenting their own valid beliefs. Look up disability studies, disability justice, and/or crip theory.
I agree that hoping for an intelligent and physically healthy child definitely reflects an ableist worldview. This is basic disability/crip theory.
For those who are going to argue: wanting an intelligent child is ableist because it implies that people who are intelligent have more worth than people who are not. It’s assigning the value of a person based on a pretty narrow and Western conceptualization of how people think. A person is valuable not because of their intelligence, but because of their existence — all are equally valuable because they’re people, and everyone is equal. The same goes, believe it or not, for physical disabilities, including health. If you disagree, then you think that not all people are equal, which is problematic, as problematic as hoping that your child is straight, or male, or has blonde hair and blue eyes.
[Lawyers for AHS] cited a national consensus statement — developed in November 2021 and subsequently accepted by all Canadian transplant programs — which found a 25-30 per cent mortality rate in patients infected with COVID post-organ transplant.
July 2022 - Court of King’s Bench, Justice Paul Belzil - “…subjecting clinical decisions to charter scrutiny would create “medical chaos,” with patients seeking “endless judicial review of clinical treatment decisions.””
November 2022 - Alberta Court of Appeals, Justices Frederica Schutz, Michelle Crighton and Dawn Pentelechuk - “Ms. Lewis’ COVID-19 vaccination status is not who she is,” the court wrote. “It is not an immutable personal characteristic … her choice not to get vaccinated against COVID-19 is just that — a choice.”
June 2023 - Supreme Court of Canada - refused to hear appeal.
They don’t give organs to alcoholics who don’t stop drinking either.
Good luck getting a heart of you refuse to quit eating a hamburger an hour.
Look, you have to pass a baseline level of taking care of yourself to qualify for an organ, and vaccinations are the bottom, base level first line of defense.
If you aren’t gonna take steps to protect yourself, you’re not worthy. There’s a long list and many people who will work hard to safeguard such a gift.
It became a matter of political identity. Rejecting Covid, the science, the vaccine, and the reasonable public health measures became more important to them that life itself.
Don’t forget that autism anti vaccine movement was fueled by fairly intelligent well educated people who were tricked by one flawed study. We shouldn’t assume people are stupid if they’re anti vaccines.
After I got the first dose of a covid vaccine, Astra-Zeneca, I posted on Facebook that I had gotten the vaccine and now have the autism. My friend who is autistic replied and said, “You had the autism before you got the vaccine!”
Oh. Right.
I’m Candian so I’m, OG A-Z M P P Omicron PBiV so far. I had the OG Covid back in December 2019 before it got cool and everyone started doing it.
Its because its made psuedo-mandatory by the government. If you don’t trust the gov (no one shoule trust the gov), then I can see not trusting the vaccine.
Its a matter of trust, and the government isn’t trustworthy.
Well, you are right on this at least. Especially since cops are some of the bigger supporters of anti-vax nonsense, that only care about displays of force over understanding of context.
The usual primary talking point is that it was developed "too fast", which is of course ignoring a bunch of very important "details". But explaining why that is wrong takes multiple sentences, but shouting out the misrepresentation that pulls people in can be done in a second.
I had a discussion with an anti-reality troll on Reddit who insisted that I would be dead within a year of taking the vaccine. He actually did a RemindMe! 1 year. That was more than 2 years ago and I never heard back from him. I wonder if he died?
What a dumnass. In her Pyrrhic victory not to be made into a 5g zombie (or whatever nonsense she might have believed) she stood her ground and died like an idiot. She gets no tears from me.
This is such a paradoxical statement, because if she did get the vaccine willingly, then no one would consider her to be an idiot and thus see no issue with her getting the transplant.
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I can respect her. She was stupid, but hey, at least she was not a hypocrite. If there were more stupid people who weren’t hypocrites at the same time, life would be a little bit easier.
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