I keep thinking about Chris vT's suggested approach to ultra-processed food: put yourself on a two week 80% UPF diet BUT read/educate yourself throughout about harm it's does you. It will become revolting, and you'll be weaned off it.
Would this work for climate change? Yes, fly to NZ for just 3 days, binge eat beef, splurge on fast fashion, drive everywhere etc, but HERE is your reading list while you do all that... ? Maybe? Has anyone tried?
@helenczerski It's an interesting idea, but whereas eating a high UPF diet would only impact you and you would see the effects quickly, my concern is that a high carbon lifestyle would impact others, and the feedback loop is too long to see a difference.
@helenczerski I think you'll find that people like Bezos, Husk, Mittal, and the myriad eastern and western billionaires and oligarchs have tried it. And they find it rather congenial and just want more. I don't think aversion therapy is likely to work.
@sellathechemist But the key (I’m sure you’ve read Chris vT’s book too, since you’re in it) is education about the harm it’s doing you at the same time. I think that lot never listen to anyone, so aren’t learning anything. Although I’m pretty sure Bill Gates still has a private jet, so the success rate clearly isn’t 100%. But I wonder if anyone has studied it in more normal folk.
@helenczerski I think the person we need to speak to is @SusanMichie who I am about to email with a little baseline data I collected this morning that we need to think about. I'll copy you in too…
@helenczerski
People seem ok with 1000s of people starving to death in Ethiopia and Somalia, so I'm skeptical that reading about UPF will have much effect, aside from a small number of people who already hold a strong opnion
@failedLyndonLaRouchite Apparently this is very effective for smoking too - the critical point is that you have to be reading/learning about it while it's doing harm to you. And then after not too long you connect the two and just stop.
@helenczerski
maybe
I look at how many decades it took to make headway against smoking or drunk driving, and I'm a bit skeptical
but you seem to know a lot more about this then me
@helenczerski@failedLyndonLaRouchite
Yes. It's the Allen Carr method. I used it to cure my addictions to nicotine and alcohol. I haven't smoked for 20 years and I've been alcohol free for 6 years. It does work.
@Rjdlandscapes The problem is that we give them leaflets and they just don't (and of course there are often personal financial/circumstance constraints on what people want to do - I'm not talking about the convinced-but-unable - but the very able and unconvinced).
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