atomicpoet,
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Hey @gruber, how will be tangibly different from Mastodon?

Because with what Bluesky devs are telling me, defederation with AT protocol should be possible.

It would be incredible on Bluesky’s part if a server couldn’t defederate.

https://mastodon.social/@gruber/110328355532624579

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Seriously, what’s with the doomerism on @gruber’s part?

Apparently, everything is “doomed” if things don’t follow his precise prescription for how things should be.

I, myself, criticize Mastodon. Quite often, in fact. But calling it “doomed”? That’s a stretch.

Gorba,

@atomicpoet @gruber it was here doing just fine before most people heard about it because of the Twitter craziness it got a huge boost, it will do just fine. It doesn’t have to be the Twitter clone people think they want

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Seriously, @gruber, Mastodon is a non-profit taking on a corporation with $13 million in funding.

This shouldn’t be a competition, but it is.

There’s no excuse for to be working on this since 2019—with full-time staff, I might add—and not be beating Mastodon to a pulp.

Yet, it’s Bluesky who’s playing catch-up here. Let’s be honest.

atomicpoet, (edited )
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

And @gruber keeps talking about how “easy” is.

Is that true? Or is he just in the honeymoon phase with the new shiny thing?

Because if I’m being bluntly honest, there’s a lot that’s not “easy” about Bluesky. Search, for example.

Or how about the fact Bluesky doesn’t even have a URL shortened yet?

And why does no one talk about this?!

atomicpoet,
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The other thing about @gruber is that he refuses to try any other ActivityPub project except Mastodon.

Yeah, I’ve told him about other projects—and he acknowledges they exist.

But he refuses to try them because he says they just cater to the “lowest common denominator”.

Really? What’s so “lowest common denominator” about WordPress, Akkoma, Calckey, Friendica, Writely, /kbin, etc.?

loke,
@loke@functional.cafe avatar

@atomicpoet You have to understand where he's coming from.

He's very used to attaching himself to something, and then strongly identifying with that thing. This is of course true for the Apple stuff, but for the longest time it was Twitter, until it wasn't tenable anymore.

Twitter really suited him, since it very well matches his blogging style (quite something and add a few sentences of sometimes snarky commentary)

Twitter was definitely part of his "rise to fame" so to speak, since it amplified his blog posts, so being forced off the platform cannot have been easy.

I remember when G+ came out, and he made a single post on there pretty early, with a single sentence where he proclaimed he didn't enjoy it. Note that this was long before G+ actually failed.

So what do you do when your megaphone has been shut off? You go looking for another one. If your replacement megaphone has the property that it can be silenced by a nearby neighbourhood that doesn't want to hear it, you'll be upset.

gr0k,
@gr0k@gr0k.net avatar

@loke @atomicpoet It is ironic tho, that it is this kind of identifying with/as things that is the root cause of the exact petulant nannyism he is objecting to.

aardvark,
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@loke G+ was destined to fail. He’s not the only one who called it early.

loke,
@loke@functional.cafe avatar

@aardvark I'm not sure it's so easy to say. At the time, google wasn't mostly famous for shutting down projects the way they are now.

aardvark,
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@loke launched in 2011. Fun fact check https://killedbygoogle.com/

loke,
@loke@functional.cafe avatar

@aardvark Sure, but these days, no one would take any such effort from Google seriously. Back then, things were very different, and for some time G+ had more active users than twitter.

aardvark,
@aardvark@ioc.exchange avatar

@loke and yet the naysayers, especially the early ones, were right

loke,
@loke@functional.cafe avatar

@aardvark Of course, but that's selection bias. There are always naysayers, and they will always be right whenever something fails.

aardvark,
@aardvark@ioc.exchange avatar

@loke it was a poor offering on day one. Some critics rightly called it what it was. It’s a facile argument to lump all critics in with all naysayers. Some critics have quite the track record.

olavf,

@loke
@atomicpoet of course he hated G+. Like Mastodon, time-linear and no algos so you had to work hard and/or not be a schmuck and get shared in the follow Friday sort of thing to get followers.

pre,

@atomicpoet @gruber weird. Mastodon is the lowest common denominator. Everything else has Mastodon plus other features!

Blue sky looks way harder to operate than masto. I couldn't even figure out how to pick a server, and its federation systems seen more complex for server operators.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Here’s what I don’t get. @gruber sees the 100+ projects that use , the 25,000 nodes, 11 million users—says it’s all doomed—because one server threatened to defederate due to spite.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@atomicpoet @gruber according to that logic, is doomed because exists.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

“Petulant nannyism” is why @gruber says that “Mastodon” (he means the Fediverse) is doomed.

Well, good thing @gruber doesn’t call the shots around here.

If he were the Fediverse’s nanny, @gruber would drown it in the bathtub.

luiscarlosgonzalez,

@atomicpoet @gruber Ah words of a fediversal dictator...

aardvark,
@aardvark@ioc.exchange avatar

@atomicpoet @gruber cite? (Googling didn’t find it on df)

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

@aardvark @gruber Read the entirety of this thread.

aardvark,
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@atomicpoet @gruber you know, I would have but I read faster than my clients manage to load the back threads and I often don’t know there’s more to read. Found the original because I didn’t know any better:

https://mastodon.social/@gruber/110328355532624579 Perfect example of one of the dozen or so reasons why Mastodon is doomed to relative obscurity and Bluesky is going to thrive: petulant nannyism:

https://federate.social/@mattblaze/110317006852580015

aardvark,
@aardvark@ioc.exchange avatar

@atomicpoet @gruber tbh, one of a dozen reasons

dc,

@atomicpoet I stopped paying attention to anything Gruber has to say after https://warzel.substack.com/p/this-is-the-awful-voice-inside-my

olavf,

@atomicpoet

I opted to just drop a conversation with him earlier because he should be smart enough to understand

ActivityPub is not the Fediverse
Mastodon is not ActivityPub

And from his response it was pretty apparent there would be a pointless argument, not even a discussion

LLS,
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  • atomicpoet,
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    @LLS @gruber Or to put it another way, if he were Mastodon’s dog walker, he’d shoot it.

    SrRochardBunson,

    @atomicpoet @gruber

    It's giving off real fyre fest vibes.

    Cassandra,

    @atomicpoet
    Overzealous mods have driven people away since I got here 6 mo ago, and that's a tough problem to solve.

    gr0k,
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    @atomicpoet @gruber There is a lot of petulant nannyism on Mastodon, but it's easy to avoid, so it's kind of a moot point.

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