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    mobileatom,
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    Quilly,

    @mobileatom
    Whoa, did a quick look, this seems interesting... The interface and searching seems much more clear to understand than lemmy, does it have other instances? Just for curiosity
    @piratepost @fediverse @lealternative @fediversenews

    piratepost,

    @Quilly @lealternative @mobileatom for a user coming from Reddit, Lemmy's interface is much more intuitive, but Kbin wanted to target a different niche.
    Unfortunately, there are few instances, but they are almost all for testing, except for the developer's (today it is a bit overloaded).
    I can't judge from architecture point of view, but I think Kbin may have some dB boost problem, since Kbin users can also follow other users.

    The Kbin instances however are all here: the-federation.info/kbin

    Quilly,

    @piratepost
    I see... Yeah i guess Lemmy is more similar to reddit, it's just that i couldn't really get how it works, even made a post asking bout that but got no response yet
    Well, thanks for the short explanation on Kbin there!
    @lealternative @mobileatom

    piratepost,

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    Quilly,

    @piratepost
    Hmm, I'll take a look thank you!
    @lealternative @mobileatom

    Barbarian,

    Having understood the fediverse on a theoretical level but not ever actually stepping into it, it's really amazing to see the interconnectedness of it in real time :)

    matthieu_xyz,

    @Barbarian Now imagine if someone would reply to a reddit-like comment from a twitter-like website.

    Ahaha, would be crazy, right?

    jakob,

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    caos,
    @caos@metalhead.club avatar

    @jakob Thanks, I actually didn't know that can also be subscribed to from , thanks for pointing that out!
    I have also just added the information to the article here: https://gnulinux.ch/fediverse-serie-willkommen-im-lemmyversum-communitys-im-fediverse
    @lealternative @piratepost

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  • caos,
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    @piratepost mmh, ist vielleicht missverständlich ausgedrückt ?
    war so gemeint:
    Beitrag = Thread
    Antwort = Antwort auf einen Beitrag/ Thread in einer Community
    Mastodon-User können nur upvoten (nicht downvoten wie Friendica oder Hubzilla-User)

    Daher auch weiter unten:
    "Bei Mastodon ist zu beachten, dass (...) bei Beiträgen, die von dort aus erstellt werden, der Beginn der Nachricht als Überschrift angezeigt wird"
    @lealternative @jakob

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    @piratepost
    danke aber für den Hinweis! Es soll ja verstanden werden, deshalb: wenn es einen Vorschlag gibt, wie es besser verständlich formuliert werden kann, können wir es gerne noch ändern.

    @lealternative @jakob

    caos,
    @caos@metalhead.club avatar

    @piratepost ich mache vielleicht mal einen Testbeitrag ins Testforum und dann einen Screenshot davon in den Artikel.

    @lealternative @jakob

    tchambers,

    @piratepost @lealternative @fediverse @fediversenews

    I'm working hard to try to quantify this mini-migration from Reddit. Anyone who has hard quantifiable numbers, please point me to them!

    brome,

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    @piratepost @lealternative @fediverse @fediversenews Elsewhere I hear that Lemmy's primary instance has a fairly serious moderation problem which the mods – the developers – refuse to address. So there's that.

    strypey, (edited )
    @strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz avatar

    @fishidwardrobe
    > Lemmy's primary instance has a fairly serious moderation problem

    Taking this at face value (what is or isn't a "moderation problem" depends a lot on your values);

    a) there's no such thing as a "primary instance" in the fediverse.

    b) as with any fediverse app, moderation can happen at the instance level, and the user level.

    c) I've not used Lemmy much, but I presume that moderation can also happen per subLemmy.

    @piratepost @lealternative @fediverse @fediversenews

    fishidwardrobe,
    @fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk avatar

    @strypey @piratepost @lealternative @fediverse @fediversenews sure, but if the actual developers refuse to deal with a moderation problem, then that's a red flag.

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    @piratepost @strypey @lealternative I didn't say Lemmy was bad. I said "So, there's that". As in, "factor that into your equations".

    The account I saw wasn't pushing any alternative software. I won't link to it here in case of pile-on. I've already muted two people on this thread.

    But, in one sense, yes: this is a second hand account of Lemmy I have not verified. You should also factor THAT into your equations.

    maegul,

    @fishidwardrobe @piratepost @strypey @lealternative

    But, in one sense, yes: this is a second hand account of Lemmy I have not verified. You should also factor THAT into your equations.

    THis is the problem with the sort of "smear" or "negativity" habbits on here (and no doubt other/all social media).

    That it's almost all hearsay is never stated nor understood. And the fact of the matter is that we all love to get negative about things, so it spreads like fire.

    On twitter when taking down the corrupt and powerful, that's probably a good and useful weapon. On the fediverse about other instances and platforms?!?! Probably just a plain destructive behaviour to be frank with you.

    If we're all too eager to make sure we're "in the good place" by shooting down anything that could possibly "from the bad place", the problem is we may just end up with not much of a place in the end.

    fishidwardrobe,
    @fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk avatar

    @maegul @lealternative @strypey @piratepost Well, the other problem on here is that we all like to gang up to deny that there could ever be a problem on here…

    strypey,
    @strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz avatar

    @fishidwardrobe
    > the other problem on here is that we all like to gang up to deny that there could ever be a problem on here

    I'm all for making specific criticisms, with links to sources or primary evidence. Just spreading scuttlebutt isn't the way to expose or address problems, ever. It is, however, a habit that can be exploited by Bad Actors trying to spread FUD for any number of reasons (commercial motives geoplitical motives, personal grudge, etc)

    @maegul @lealternative @piratepost

    fishidwardrobe,
    @fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk avatar

    @strypey @maegul @lealternative @piratepost Are you, now. That's nice, I guess. A bit … sealion-y, maybe?

    We're all just grownups talking here. I'm not doing your homework for you. I'm not saying don't use Lemmy, either. If you want a fight, go somewhere else, please.

    strypey,
    @strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz avatar

    @fishidwardrobe
    > We're all just grownups talking here

    Well, I'm a dog, but since we're on the internet, no one knows that...

    > A bit … sealion-y, maybe?

    I don't think that word means what you think it means.

    > If you want a fight

    Not at all. Just giving my opinion, like you were.

    @lealternative @piratepost

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    @piratepost
    > I think you too have noticed that there are people who have no intention of positively discussing

    ... anything. Yes, I notice them. Cluster B personalities most of them, or Flying Monkeys in their thrall.

    But yes, trolls gunna troll, and FUD-spreaders gunna spread FUD. Do not feed.

    madcodger,

    @fishidwardrobe @piratepost @lealternative @Fediverse @fediversenews
    That's one of the reasons I went with kbin instead of Lemmy.

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    @jakob @lealternative @piratepost "If I really understood the fediverse…" condescending AND gatekeeping in one package. Thank you so much. Two words, and the second one is "off".

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  • pierobosio,
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    @jakob @lealternative @piratepost @fishidwardrobe

    I tried to install lemmy on an ubuntu 20.4 virtual machine without success. The command "cargo install lemmy_server --target-dir /usr/bin/ --locked --features embed-pictrs" gives a compile error. Instead the command "cargo install lemmy_server --target-dir /usr/bin/ --locked" is fine. I use apache2 and not nginx, so I need to figure out how to configure it. At the moment I can't log in.

    https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/administration/from_scratch.html

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    @jakob @lealternative @piratepost @fishidwardrobe

    Docker and nginx are good. Well, I like Lemmy and hope the developers fix compatibility issues with other platforms soon.

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    @piratepost @lealternative @jakob @fishidwardrobe

    Lemmy nasce per essere gestito da nginx e installato da docker. Io invece compilo i sorgenti con Rust e Cargo. Poi uso Apache2 configurato con la configurazione trovata nel link, modificando le porte: 1234 per la interfaccia web lemmy-ui e 8536 per il server Lemmy.
    Forse non è la configurazione corretta o Lemmy ha introdotto modifiche al codice al momento non documentate.

    https://gist.github.com/Steffo99/ed6da2b0b2e4d05b0614687494298f21

    CogitoErgoBloom,

    @jakob @lealternative @piratepost @fishidwardrobe

    "if there is an instance which is not well moderated, and your instance does not block this other one, you receive spam from this instance... independent what you use yourself."
    If I may, as a simple user, really not a techie, when I receive spam or hate speech from an instance that my instance moderators do not block, I block the user or the instance.

    piratepost,

    @CogitoErgoBloom be careful, because the spam problem on Lemmy is a bit different from the spam problem on Mastodon (and other microblogging systems).

    It is sufficient that the Lemmy user IS NOT SUBSCRIBED to a community to not see the contents of that community.

    The Mastodon user, on the other hand, sees the contents of all second-level contacts and everything that is re-shared by first-level contacts.

    For this reason, unless an instance is chock full of trolls and shitposters, I don't recommend blocking or muting an entire instance.

    @jakob @fishidwardrobe @lealternative

    maegul,
    @maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

    @fishidwardrobe @piratepost @lealternative @fediverse @fediversenews

    Honestly not sure the situation is nearly as clean cut as a blanket statement like this makes it out ... and honestly, for an ecosystem that's still trying to get off of the ground and work itself out ... the virality of "bad news" really ought to be avoided.

    I could be mistaken, but the deal is that the devs have a political position, understand that not everyone shares it, and encourage new communities/instances and forks.

    fishidwardrobe,
    @fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk avatar

    @maegul @piratepost @lealternative @fediverse @fediversenews If the "political position" is "we won't moderate abuse because free speech", then you know where you can stick that.

    Chancerubbage,
    @Chancerubbage@mastodon.social avatar

    @piratepost @fediverse @lealternative @fediversenews @mastodonmigration

    Seems like what they should have done is create a decent app experience themselves. Too bad no one wanted their app because they already had one, thanks.

    alghost,
    @alghost@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

    @piratepost So is it possible to create a post in a specific Lemmy community from a Mastodon account? If so, how do I do it? Do I need to tag the community or link it somehow in my post? For example if I wanted to post in this community: https://lemmy.ml/c/godot

    Happy to make a Lemmy account as well if that works better, but this kind of crossposting is interesting as the format you describe seems quite natural on Mastodon...

    paulschoe,
    @paulschoe@mastodon.world avatar

    I find this instruction on https://lemmy.ml/:

    You are not logged in.
    However, you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon.
    To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !technology

    But when I search '!technology' in Mastodon.world, then nothing appears.

    So I can't post yet in from my Mastodon account.

    @maegul
    @admin
    @alghost @piratepost

    paulschoe,
    @paulschoe@mastodon.world avatar

    Replace the 'i ' by an '@'.
    @technology


    But when I search '!technology' in Mastodon.world, then nothing appears.

    @ehler

    paulschoe,
    @paulschoe@mastodon.world avatar

    I agree, the really interesting part would be if we can post in , a Fediverse equivalent of Reddit, with our Mastodon account.

    And the post from @piratepost says that it is possible:
    "In fact, even without subscribing to Lemmy, Mastodon users can comment and open threads on the Lemmy communities."

    That would really be the magic of Fediverse at work. But does anyone know how to do it?

    https://lemmy.ml/
    @fediversenews @alghost

    maegul,
    @maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

    @paulschoe @piratepost @fediversenews @alghost

    @test

    Testing whether a reply in mastodon, when tagged with a lemmy community, can create a new post on lemmy?

    I suspect not as it might refuse to do so because it’sa reply.

    thedogspaw,

    @maegul

    @paulschoe @piratepost @fediversenews @alghost @test I don't think they can create a new post on lemmy but they can comment on a existing post I think

    maegul,
    @maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

    @thedogspaw @paulschoe @piratepost @fediversenews @alghost @test

    So the above test didn’t post to lemmy because lemmy requires that the community be the first account tagged.

    This is to prevent people from posting to multiple communities at once which is to prevent spam.

    maegul,
    @maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

    @thedogspaw @paulschoe @piratepost @fediversenews @alghost @test

    But otherwise, yes, commenting on ash existing lemmy thread is always possible. Creating a new post or thread requires that the community be tagged and that it is the first tag in the post. The first line of the post will be the title of the post.

    maegul, (edited )
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    maegul,
    @maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

    @paulschoe @piratepost @fediversenews @alghost

    Something else to keep in mind is that you should maybe think about asking your mastodon or other platform admins to start their own lemmy instances.

    The whole fediverse can’t use a single lemmy instance without ever signing up. It’ll get overloaded and they’ll probably have to stop this feature from working.

    Instead, mastodon admins can create instances for their own communities if usage is going to be high enough

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  • paulschoe,
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    Yes, I noticed that. In Lemmy, you cannot follow a single discussion (thread), but, as you say, you follow a community.

    That means that following Lemmy in Mastodon might result in getting more posts in your timeline than you hoped for.

    @piratepost @maegul @alghost
    @fediversenews

    paulschoe,
    @paulschoe@mastodon.world avatar

    START, FOLLOW & REPLY on from Mastodon.

    I use the Lemmy community 'test' as an example

    START

    • start with the title of your thread
    • enter the name of the community where you want to post: '@test'
    • enter the body text.

    FOLLOW

    • Right of the thread in Lemmy you see a blue box with the name of the thread ('!test')
    • In Mastodon, enter the name in the search box but remove the '!'.
    • follow

    REPLY
    Simply reply to the posts in your timeline.

    @alghost @piratepost
    @fediversenews

    reallychris,

    @piratepost @lealternative @fediverse @fediversenews

    so this looks a lot like kbin which i'm also on. are they instances of the same app, like mastodon.social and tech.lgbt are, or are they different apps(probably not the right word), like masto and calckey are?

    i'd like to register but i don't wanna go adding to their work load if i'm basically already on there (the app)

    hybridhavoc,
    @hybridhavoc@beehaw.org avatar

    Kbin is actually a separate app altogether. I do not know what level of interop exists between kbin and other apps.

    reallychris,

    @hybridhavoc thanks yeah i don't use it much, it seems like 90% of the content i see on there is from masto so idk... i think based on your comment though i will actually give lemmy a go.

    fisco1791,

    @piratepost @lealternative @fediverse @fediversenews
    Feddit would have been a good name for federated Reddit alternative, if the devs had chosen that instead of Lemmy, would it have gained more traction...🤔

    Shdwdrgn,

    In the long run, does the name really matter? Slashdot, Digg, Fark, Reddit... they're all somewhat meaningless names but people flocked to each platform because they provided a community and realtime information about what is happening in the world. I participated in more discussions during my first week on Mastodon than I did the entire time I was on Twitter because it felt like talking with friends and neighbors -- a feeling the bird never provided.

    fisco,
    @fisco@lemmy.ml avatar

    I agree, a name doesn't really matter long term, as over time it takes on its own meaning. The feddit comment, was merely as there would be the familiarity factor for those looking for an alternative to reddit, which would possibly have given more pull in the short term at least, in comparison to the current, which is unfamiliar, to most..

    I also stated in another reply that "Lemmy works" so its all good..👍🏻

    Shdwdrgn,

    Oh sure, I wasn't dissing the name idea, just saying the community aspect will probably be more important to building up a new "front page of the internet". I've looked at a couple others (I think Voat most recently?) each time reddit is "about to crash", but being part of the feidiverse is what instantly caught my attention here, and I'm hoping more and more people realize what that can mean for them.

    fisco1791,

    @Shdwdrgn @fisco
    Sorry I'm confusing myself now, as I initially replied from my Lemmy account 😅
    I realise you weren't dissing anything, & also agree with what you say about mastodon, its a great way to have a discussion & far more engaging & interesting than twitter ever was, for me anyway...The fediverae as a whole & the way different platforms integrate (as I'm finding out) is certainly the way forward..

    asexualchangeling,

    This conversation alone is a perfect example of what's so great about the fediverse imo

    fisco1791,

    @asexualchangeling
    Absolutely👍🏻

    piratepost, (edited )

    @fisco1791 @lealternative Feddit is the more natural name. We chose it without knowing that a famous German instance had already existed for some years and, for some time now, there has also been a Danish one!
    Still, the name Lemmy makes everyone understand that the Fediverse doesn't like marketing but passion... 😀

    fisco1791,

    @piratepost @lealternative
    Lemmy works 👍🏻

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