maegul

@maegul@calckey.social

A little bit of neuroscience and a little bit of computing.

Main is @maegul. Checking this place out to support and promote calckey but increasingly thinking I might just go all in on calckey!!

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misc, to random
@misc@mastodon.social avatar

I would like the Apple headset so I can lie down on my back and watch tv without mounting it to the ceiling.

maegul,

@misc it’s funny the tension between how much of a major usecase this will be and how awkward it probably is to sell the product as this.

atomicpoet, to fediversenews

On the latest release candidate on calckey.social, I noticed that there’s an expand tweet button that will show a full tweet embed if someone sends you a Twitter link.

Don’t ask me for the full details on how this works—I don’t do the coding for 😉

See screenshots.

@fediversenews

maegul,

@box464 @kainoa @atomicpoet @fediversenews

I’ve been saying it for a while … it feels like the fediverse could do with a tool like pandoc but for platform posts, available more or less in the same way language translations are.

It would have to be third party, which is good, as the fediverse could benefit from more platform generic software rather than everyone reinventing the wheel.

maegul,

@jupiter_rowland server side yes, but developed apart from the platforms and optionally included on either a platform or instance basis.

I’m invoking pandoc as a model because they take pride in supporting as many formats as possible and have adopted an all-to-all design that reduces all formats to a single common abstract spec.

atomicpoet, to mastodon

Was going through a few servers and something surprised me.

The majority of Mastodon users have no idea that a is currently happening. They don’t know how much the has grown this month. And to them, the Fediverse is still “Mastodon” even though the Fediverse is substantially less Mastodon than it was a month ago.

To me, this implies that they aren’t aware of how Mastodon interoperates with the rest of the Fediverse, and they certainly don’t know what the Fediverse looks like outside Mastodon.

Over the next year, this will likely change. But for so many people now, the Fediverse is still “Mastodon”.

maegul,

@szbalint @atomicpoet

Yea this. It comes up repeatedly on the threadiverse. Newcomers think that everything works with everything try to interact across the threadiverse - microblogs barrier and find that it doesn’t really work.

IMO, too much is made of the protocol. It’s only an infrastructure and doesn’t get you anywhere without good applications on top of it. So far, we’re still on the “clone web2.0” phase of app development. More is needed for the fediverse to be a true ecosystem. Right now, the protocol allows FOSS social media platforms to scale horizontally. But more than this is yet to be demonstrated.

haubles, to kbin
@haubles@fosstodon.org avatar

Proud to support @ernest and — moments like what Ernest describes in this post are exactly why I do this work, and why (@devs) has a program like . Because your contributions to , to the , shouldn't be stressful moments, and they shouldn't cost you. You should be focused on building.

https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/68541 @vvuksan @renchap

And if you can, . 💞
https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin

maegul,

@haubles @ernest @devs @vvuksan @renchap Gooooo /kbin!!

laurenshof, to bluesky

is now looking to increase speed of signups after the 'cis is a slur' on twitter, signalling a clear want of people to get off

Im starting to think that maybe in terms of mainstream tech news coverage, Meta's Threads will be framed in contrast to Bluesky more than it will to Mastodon.

maegul,

@laurenshof Is this going to be "the great fracturing" where the era of big-social monopolies (at least with respect to formats) ends and will be remembered as a weird era like when search engines etc tried to be "single gateways" to everything with links everywhere?

"Did you know there used to be only one microblog ... like you had to just accept their moderation policy or not microblog?!"

maegul,

@misc @laurenshof What's on your "new social media platform" bingo card?

We've had substack with notes and meta with threads, doing "microblogs". Anything else in the cards?

For some reason I keep thinking of Apple ... whatever they would do it'd probably be mostly a walled garden but I've got an itchy feeling that it would make sense in a way I don't understand.

maegul,

@misc @matthieu_xyz @laurenshof

What's the go on Google? G+ still too fresh?

I would imagine there's a pitch on leveraging youtube to go at twitter, meta and tiktok all in one while also putting AI in a place other than the search engine but a social context where it make more sense and be less risky.

kissane, to random
@kissane@mstdn.social avatar

This is more semi-meta, so do what you will with that, but I want to explicitly tie together two conversational threads from yesterday:

  1. I think the structure of Mastodon really amps rumors and misinfo because the mechanisms we use elsewhere to pass around and find corrections (visible replies, quote-posts, search) don't work here.

  2. Instance admin politics are rarely discussed in a public, easily re-findable place—that, too, fuels the rumor-mill, as we saw re: Meta meeting discussions.

maegul,

@laurenshof @kissane @seachanger

Yea totally this. I said it a while back that admins and popular fedi-critics should start opening up dialogues with each other and the users to guide people through this episode.

Instead, by and large, admins seem to have approached the issue as another decision they have to make on behalf of their users, rather than something requiring leadership and public engagement. That's what you're highlighting. And in many ways, some of the heat of debate recently is on admins and their unwillingness to take on this "political" role. The heat came from the vacuum of guidance, engagement and transparency.

Generally speaking, this will probably be (and has been) a long arc of the fediverse ... the graduation from hacker sysadmin run instances to something more like "community leaders and organisations".

Moving away from BDFL like structures would probably be a start, and moving toward more group based structures like co-ops.

Earlier this year nova (of hachyderm) stood down as admin, and their chief reason was that they started the instance as a sys admin, didn't want to be more than that, but was clearly seen by everyone as "the leader". So they set up a co-op and walked away and let the co-op run things. Looks rather smart in hindsight from this episode.

atomicpoet, to fediverse

Wow! Yet again, added 100,000 accounts within 24 hours!

And it's about to reach 500,000 users!

What's most impressive about this? It's managed to do this without any assistance from the tech press -- with zero Silicon Valley-style hype!

Source: https://fedidb.org/software

maegul,

@atomicpoet It's looking like some of these numbers are spam bot accounts.

Looks like a number of instances have been started by well-meaning admins (?) that have left signups open to help with load and then inundated with spam accounts, possibly because they left signups completely open (ie no email verification etc?).

Look through the list of servers, there are quite a few that have thousands of users but 1 or 2 MAUs.

So far, some have looked into their databases and confirmed that basically no users from these instances are doing anything.

So right now the growth and current number has to be taken with a grain of salt. Ideally, we could probably extrapolate from the MAU number if we could pinpoint what the MAU/User ratio was before the spam bot inundation. Fedidb doesn't quite allows us to easily do that I don't think.

Still, spam is a sign of success and real growth, right?

maegul,

@atomicpoet Yea ... scrolling through that table of servers just now, and looks worse than it did when I looked earlier in the day.

It's actually concerning, because the lemmy devs are clearly overwhelmed and all of the admins, apart from the few mastodon "vets" are new to this.

I don't know what should be done ... but it maybe seems like the sort of situation where lemmy could do with some help?

maegul,

@atomicpoet

Here are some posts/comments on lemmy about the problem:

https://lemmy.world/comment/377827

https://lemm.ee/post/177673

https://lemmy.world/post/343851

Probably makes sense to stop trumpeting the growth, it's probably fairly bloated with spam bots right now and substantially lower than these numbers. And, somewhat embarrassingly, it's caused by a bunch of people starting instances with completely open signups (ironic, in a way, given lemmy.ml's policy).

maegul,

@ada @atomicpoet

Good to hear!

For those interested, it also seems that discussion of happening on GitHub: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3200

Seems that captcha works at deterring many spam bots, and for some reason was removed as default?

maegul,

@ada @atomicpoet

I've poked around the lemmy-verse a little and it seems people are aware of the problem and are starting to address it. Adding requirements to sign-ups and captcha and talking about solutions. It will be interesting to see if the problem subsides or if enough instances will stay open or get created for the spam bots to find.

liaizon, to fediverse
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

What is a Fediverse Galaxy?

As more and more instances are providing multiple services under the same management, we need a term to talk about this type of arrangement. A Fediverse Galaxy is a collection of federated software that is provided by the same admin or collective.

posted to the [@fediverse Lemmy group]
#fediverse #FediverseGalaxies #FediDev

maegul,

@liaizon @laurenshof @e

Fediverse "Houses" (or "fiefdoms" if you want to be snarky).

geddit.social of "House Stux"?. Or, to depersonalise, name the house after the first instance, so geddit.social of "house mstdn.social"?

misc, to random
@misc@mastodon.social avatar

Wow, my beehaw application got rejected

maegul,

@misc

So I don't think this is real rejection ... I would guess you didn't write too much in your application?

Many will think critically of this whole approach, and it is certainly with its flaws, but it is a way to ensure safe spaces and strong community identity, which are things that parts of the fediverse care about and for good reason.

I wrote an application for lemmy.ml ... just spoke about what my interests are and why I was joining lemmy.

laurenshof, to random

holy fuck, from the /u/spec interview with The Verge. hes big mad lol. what an absolutely insane statement

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23762868/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-interview

maegul,

@richardazia @laurenshof off they’re not profitable now, after all this time, how will they be? Is the plan to discontinue providing the API and save on resources that way?

rysiek, to fediverse
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

Looks like and keep being mentioned together, which to me suggests we might have averted "mastodonization" of the — i.e. a situation where the whole network gets identified with a single piece of software. 🎉

This is the way. :blobcatcool:

maegul,

@laurenshof @mastodonmigration @rysiek

Seems we just need a better term than microblog, and always did, which is why we have “tweet” and “toot”. SMS would be accurate but acronyms don’t really work.

If we put away short character limits, then the essential structure is the follow, broadcast and feed. Basically a big digital dinner party not quite in real time. Don’t think there’s a good word for it, which is a complement really.

Shindigiverse? Colloquiverse? Friendiverse? Feediverse? All clearly awful.

Tootiverse is the best I’ve got, and to be fair, mastodon would deserve to be remembered into posterity. Except that tootiverse sounds probably more dumb than fediverse.

Ok … I’m calling, “fedi” is dumb and “verse” is too.

How about “space”?

“”? “”? “”? “”? “”?

maegul,

@laurenshof @mastodonmigration @rysiek

Yea, you're right ... "zone" is kinda the fediverse's word for "space" ... nice! Sounds a bit weird to me as a word for a more nebulous thing like the fediverse or threadiverse. "Zone" feels more specific, as in the case with blahaj for example.

maegul,

@laurenshof @mastodonmigration @rysiek

I think the dark reality haunting us in our sleep is that it has always been "microblogoverse" and we should count ourselves lucky that we can even have "tootiverse".

maegul,

@misc @shauna @laurenshof @mastodonmigration @rysiek

Ha ... yep! So, "microweblogosphereversicon"!!

It somewhat speaks to the corporate dominance of the internet/social media that we're really struggling with a word for the thing that isn't Twitter/tweet or some imitation of those.

Blog is weird but idiomatic now almost certainly because it wasn't a centralised platform, right?

I say we gotta keep the wordplay going so that we can have our own public language! Eventually things will evolve and stick.

"blog" reminds us that contractions can be useful for this sort of thing too.

maegul,

@misc @shauna @laurenshof @mastodonmigration @rysiek

Sooo ... mash up "followers" and "feed"?

"fleed"? "fold"? "feedow" kinda like "feadow" like meadow? (I'm thinking ryhming with "*edo" is not good here)

chat + stream ... "street"? ... "chatter"?

maegul,

@misc @shauna @laurenshof @mastodonmigration @rysiek

I'm kinda feeling "fold" a little. Tolkein uses for land areas too ("westfold") though I don't know where he's getting it, probably some old-english origin in there. It's kind of about "folding" your follows into a feed

Social-fold? Foldstream? Fold-zone ... time to go to bed I think!!

maegul,

@rysiek @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @misc @shauna Perfection!

thisismissem, (edited ) to fediverse
@thisismissem@hachyderm.io avatar

Okay, so, I've just done a review of the features in both and .

I've written up a fuller report on the IFTAS matrix, but the tl;dr is: if you care about user safety, do not deploy either of these.

They do not feature comprehensive or well built moderation tools, and you will not be able to effectively moderate instances running this software.

You are better off waiting to deploy these once they mature more.

Edit: removed user mentions to stop spamming them.

maegul,

@thisismissem @stux @ruud

However, really, I think the answer is that we need to stop reinventing the same damn tools for every single piece of fediverse software.

Yes!!

Also, I’m not a lemmy/kbin dev or contributor, just in case it wasn’t clear. Just thinking about the present moment where there are things with clear momentum already at play, and what can be done like right now especially if the fediverse is going to try to avoid another moderation “incident” (I’m thinking of the issues BIPOC people have had on mastodon, though I have no special knowledge regarding that).

From what you’re saying though, it’s only a matter of time before at least some Reddit migrants encounter “unpleasant” things, realise the fediverse is still a prototype, and maybe move off unimpressed?

For example, one major lemmy instance has also defederated over what seems to be insufficient moderation tooling being unable to keep up (see https://lemmy.ml/post/1281130). It’s already been cited as “splitting the lemmyverse” already.

Not your problem or fault of course, really just trying to characterise the moment as someone who doesn’t know the details of moderation.

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