Spam and porn are flooding kbin already

There is a substantial amount of spam and NSFW posts on the All page coming through already. Most NSFW posts aren't being tagged as such and are coming right through. I am not sure how this can be weathered but we need something in place fairly soon, I feel like we are days away from rivers of bad stuff, especially via some of the federated instances.

EDIT: I personally don't care much about the NSFW aspect, more in the lines of what a newcomer will be seeing when they get to the main page. 99% of the newcomers don't know / care about federation and have no idea how to turn that off. Liability for the server owner is also an element of consideration.

ernest,
ernest avatar

I have added the option to set the entire magazine as +18, including remote. Please provide me with those here in the comments that require action.

Skrounge,

Is it possible to have separate nsfw tags for nudity Vs gore or is all gore supposed to be tagged nsfl instead. Because that was something I thought Reddit should have had different, if you turn off nsfw, you miss alot of things that are '18+' that aren't nudity. If that makes any sense.

BasicTraveler,

Granularity would be awesome for NSFW tags.

parrot-party,
parrot-party avatar

It's something that took Reddit forever to do. NSFW, NSFL/GORE, and SPOILER are very important tags/filters to have.

Xathonn,
Xathonn avatar

Yes please! That's something people have been asking for on reddit for so long. Would be great to have that added early into development

lixus98,
lixus98 avatar

Do you have plans on adding another admin to help with moderation?

ernest,
ernest avatar

Definitely, in the upcoming days, apart from staying in close contact with the maintainers, I would like a;so to build a moderation team. That is a priority. However, I first need to urgently address and take care of a few matters.

jazmichaelking,
jazmichaelking avatar

IFTAS (about.iftas.org) may be able to help with this, happy to discuss.

ernest,
ernest avatar

@jazmichaelking Thank you, I will look into it.

lixus98,
lixus98 avatar

Thanks for answering, keep it up!

ahriboy,
@ahriboy@mk.absturztau.be avatar

@ernest there are problems over federating with certain instances. One instance can read content from kbin.social but not vice versa.

jdp23,
jdp23 avatar

Several people here are saying that the bulk of it is coming from lemmynsfw. If so then it may well be best to defederate in the short term to buy time for a better solution (like marking everything from there NSFW automatically, either by a lemmy enhancement on their end or a kbin enhancement here)

Fylkir,

I know Mastodon has a feature where instances can automark others as NSFW.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

Given that folks are saying the main source is an instance called lemmynsfw.com, perhaps it would be useful to have an option to set an entire instance as having that flag? I'm foreseeing a future where instances tend to be subject-specific so something like that seems like it'd be pretty handy.

fax_of_the_shadow,
fax_of_the_shadow avatar

Is there a way to block an entire instance? Because in my kbin.social settings I have "hide adult content" turned ON and yet I keep getting posts from lemmynsfw in my feed and my sidebar of random recent posts.

olrik,
olrik avatar

How do you do that as a normal user, I can't seem to see it my preferences.

fax_of_the_shadow,
fax_of_the_shadow avatar

There's this option for me in the main settings page on kbin.

olrik,
olrik avatar

OK, I saw that, but most of the content of lemmynsfw is not tagged as NSFW. How do I block a complete instance?

edit: I just realised that I was answering to the same person who asked the exact same question, sorry. Still new to this

fax_of_the_shadow,
fax_of_the_shadow avatar

No worries, we all just want the same thing I guess. The ability to block a complete instance from our feed.

Mugox,

You can visit domain page, as you would magazine page, and there is a button to subscribe to it or block it. Here is the link to domain page of lemmynsfw.com, but be warned - you'll see the post from that instance and some of them might not be properly tagged, so consider it NSFW despite your settings https://kbin.social/d/lemmynsfw.com. That should block entire instance (and i think the magazines/communities you are subscried to are exempted from this block, so you still see those)

fax_of_the_shadow,
fax_of_the_shadow avatar

@Mugox

THANK YOU so much! I'm very new to kbin so I had no idea that existed. Much appreciation!

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

In my experience as a programmer the user interface always lags behind the features. I'm sure it will get easier to use these things soon given how much attention is being focused on it now.

uprise42,

For the all page or other curated pages that have suggested content and not handpicked content like subscribed I would recommend blocking those NSFW pages. Obviously people can view it if they want, but blasting it in a new users face could easily turn them away if they aren’t expecting it. Personally I would also go far enough to prevent anything not on kbin from showing on those pages at all. Ya, there’s tons of good content but searching isn’t completely obvious to new users yet so the people looking for federated content are not going to overlap with those only browsing all by very much.

Just my opinions is all

McBinary,
McBinary avatar

If posts are tagged nfsw, then they'll be blurred, but unfortunately people aren't consistently using the nsfw tag. Most of the nsfw content is coming from lemmynsfw.com - I've asked one of the admins over there if they can just auto-apply the tag to any post on their instance with media attached.

They replied that they are looking into it.

HawkMan,

if you have previews on. The little wide thumbnail is blurred. And then right below the full image loads in full screen un-blurred.

HeartyBeast,
HeartyBeast avatar

... or you can just block lemmynsfw.com

minorsecond,
minorsecond avatar

Can that be done by users account level or does ernest have to do it for the entire instance?

HeartyBeast,
HeartyBeast avatar

Things are a bit borked at the moment, so I know you are replying to me, but not sure what I said- can a user block instances from appearing in their feed? Yes - click the instance name and you'll get a list of articles - in the sidebar (on desktop) you'll see a panel with a little 'forbidden' icon (circle with diuagonal line) - click it and the instance is gone.

argv_minus_one,

Neat. Wish Lemmy had that. At least, I don't think it has that.

KnittingTrekker,
KnittingTrekker avatar

This needs to be top comment!

Mugox,

The NSFW blur is sometimes not applied correctly. For example if you have turned on displaying Avatars (or Magazine icons) then those elements are blurred instead of the post preview itself - at least that's my experience on Vivaldi browser. Styling might be interpreted differently on other browsers. And sometimes it takes a second to apply the style (I think after page reload) so if it's high up there on the list one might still see NSFW content unblured.

Pbody,

For me it blurs the thumbnail correctly but I have preview media on and it does not blur the preview. I wish this was an option as I like having the larger preview on mobile but don't want random porn while I scroll out in the world lol. Otherwise kbin has been nothing but wonderful. So glad to be here!

Rhaedas,
Rhaedas avatar

I have "do not show" checked, preview media off, and I have yet to notice any of these images blurred since they've started popping up. So apparently no one is marking their posts appropriately. I don't care about the porn itself, and can certainly block it if it's one source spamming, but like many here I'm worried about the newcomer trying to figure it out and getting a first impression that isn't all that great.

PabloDiscobar, (edited )
PabloDiscobar avatar

Defederate, massively

Beehaw has more than 380 instances blocked. I don't think that kbin blocks anything, where can we see the list?

edit: I see a lot of downvote. You DO understand that some instances are sharing lolita stuff and the police can close the servers of Ernest depending on what is federated? Right?

gus,
gus avatar

I disagree. I really think closing ourselves off to a bunch of places goes against the spirit of the fediverse. I want to be getting content from a lot of places which I can then filter out and control myself, and I feel like kbin supports that mindset well. I understand why some would want to defederate and close themselves off, but I don't want kbin.social turning into beehaw. If you're looking for a more controlled instance, join them

These platforms are still pretty early in their infancy and I don't think they were quite mature enough to take on this sudden influx of users (through no fault of anyone). There's going to be some growing pains but we'll get through it and this platform will get better from it

jdp23,
jdp23 avatar

To the contrary: defederation from instances in situations like this is very much in the spirit of the the fediverse. Not attaching NSFW tags to NSFW content is a major moderation fail by lemmynsfw, and restricting content from badly-moderated instances until they get things cleaned up is something that frequently happens.

gus,
gus avatar

You're confusing "do not massively defederate" with "do not defederate at all"

We should defederate from obviously problematic instances. We should not defederate in the fashion that beehaw is

DarkThoughts,

That's a completely different statement than the top levels "defederate from all adult content".

0x,
0x avatar

I wouldn't call it a fail per se considering how there's NSFW literally in the URL. If your whole instance is about NSFW content, then marking individual content NSFW becomes moot.

That said there should definitely be instance level NSFW flags for federation purposes.

PabloDiscobar,
PabloDiscobar avatar

I don't think that you fully understand the scale of illegal stuff that is transiting on the fediverse, and by illegal I mean "FBI illegal". You don't want it stored on Ernest's servers. Some instances are blocked for a very good reason, even you would agree.

BTW I already switch to defederate and I blocked NSFW, but we all have to take into consideration the risks for Ernest, because in fine he is the one hosting the pictures.

gus,
gus avatar

Defederating from problematic instances that are promoting illegal activity that would attract the FBI is a bit different from "Defederate, massively".

Intentionally or not you're making it sound like if we don't follow beehaw's lead the FBI is going to be after ernest, who lives in a different continent and even has the project partially funded on a grant

aetris,

kbin allows you to disable federation on your front end and also to block specific domains if you so wish. I assume the philosophy for now is to handle it on a per-user basis.

HeartyBeast,
HeartyBeast avatar

I've blocked a NSFW server where stuff was untagged

DarkThoughts,

I don't want kbin to blanked ban adult content. There's filters for exactly that reason if you don't want to see it. If that's not enough, then go to beehaw or other highly restrictive instances.

PabloDiscobar,
PabloDiscobar avatar

I don't want kbin to blanked ban adult content. There's filters for exactly that reason if you don't want to see it. If that's not enough, then go to beehaw or other highly restrictive instances.

How do you deal with pedo content? How?

If you have no solution (and you haven't) then do as beehaw does and deferate the content. Why do you think that those people use this network? Why? Take a wild guess.

BananaTrifleViolin,

I think defederating may be knee jerk at this stage? Beehaw seems to have defederated because they vet users and are worried about unvetted users flooding their service; that's a fundamental community position rather than a fediverse issue. In this case it's more about tags not being applied correctly and how to improve that process (e.g. automation based on server or community posted to).

Defederating or blocking specific instances/servers seems like it should be a last resort - e.g. if a service is lax about moderation or refuses to deal with issues then it makes sense.

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    Mnmalst,
    Mnmalst avatar

    How do you do that? I was looking for exactly that feature but can't find a "local list", which only shows kbin threads or something similar.

    hopetelescope,
    hopetelescope avatar

    Click the little triangle in the top right corner just under the search button. There's an option to turn federation on or off.

    salasin,

    this button

    aroom, (edited )
    aroom avatar

    I think that this button defederate your content, not the content from other instances.

    if you want to block another instance, you can click on its domain name (between bracket) and block it. like you'll block usual magazine

    you can also type this in your url to access a domain : https://kbin.social/d/*name of the domain* like kbin.social or lemmy.whatever

    then you can check the magazines and domains you blocked in your profile's settings.

    but it's still a bit buggy and need some work to work correctly.

    EDIT: this doesn't block the instance, but only the domain. new tool coming soon, confirmed by the main dev:

    domain blocking existed long before federation. It serves as a way to block sources like youtube.com, spotify.com. Blocking instances will be a separate option in the user profile soon. I will submit a pull request.

    https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/118#issuecomment-942720

    minorsecond,
    minorsecond avatar

    So I've gone to https://kbin.social/d/lemmynsfw.com, which pulled up that instance, but how do I then block that instance?

    aroom, (edited )
    aroom avatar

    you click on the "crossed" O . the same way you block a magazine or an user.

    https://kbin.social/m/kbinfaqs@kilioa.org is a good place for knowledge

    EDIT: this doesn't block the instance, but only the domain. new tool coming soon, confirmed by the main dev:

    domain blocking existed long before federation. It serves as a way to block sources like youtube.com, spotify.com. Blocking instances will be a separate option in the user profile soon. I will submit a pull request.

    https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/118#issuecomment-942720

    MassiveCelebration78,

    That federation button switched to “off” will not show content on home feed from the other instances.

    I had the same question and posted it in meta, a kind user let me know and it works great. I prefer kbin’s feed.

    aroom, (edited )
    aroom avatar

    it may have the same effect but it's not the same feature. if you block domains, like you block magazines or users, you get to have an ensemble view of all those in your user settings. that kinda make sense.

    and I can't find where the instances defederated with your technique are listed. maybe you know where?

    edit: syntax

    EDIT: this doesn't block the instance, but only the domain. new tool coming soon, confirmed by the main dev:

    domain blocking existed long before federation. It serves as a way to block sources like youtube.com, spotify.com. Blocking instances will be a separate option in the user profile soon. I will submit a pull request.

    https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/118#issuecomment-942720

    themoonisacheese,
    @themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

    This is, weirdly, apparently a federation bug. Lemmy instances (namely lemmynsfw.com) I've found tag their posts appropriately and I've only ever seen a single post that wasn't tagged correctly (and it was very mild might I add), despite browsing all new and all topDay. I suspect kbin isn't pulling the nsfw tag correctly and most posts end up as clear.

    SweetAIBelle,
    SweetAIBelle avatar

    Yeah, I was comparing notes with someone from another lemmy based server earlier, and was finding the same thing. Some posts that were marked as nfsw came over as such, but quite a number came over as clear.

    StaggersAndJags,

    I joined the site today and it is pushing unsolicited furry porn at me on every page.

    There's probably a way I can opt out of this shit, but that is not good enough if we want normal human beings to join this place. NSFW stuff needs to be properly tagged and invisible by default.

    I can't use the site in this state in any public setting and I certainly can't recommend others make the migration.

    DarkThoughts,

    Adult content IS invisible by default, assuming it is properly tagged as such. In the meantime you can block certain magazines / communities that don't adhere to that individually as well.

    netburnr,
    @netburnr@lemmy.world avatar

    This is where lemmy is better. You can block the whole community and after a couple days most of the content you don't like will be filtered out.

    aetris,

    fwiw i blocked the lemmynsfw.com domain from view and I haven't seen a single instance of nsfw since

    rodhlann,
    rodhlann avatar

    Is there a way to block the domain entirely in kbin? Or did you have to do it through a browser extension?

    BoxOfSnoo,

    I can not find how to do that! I see in my profile there is a “domains” under blocked, but it’s empty and I can’t see how to add one. Where can I find block for a domain?

    Mugox,

    You can visit domain page, as you would magazine page, and there is a button to subscribe to it or block it. Here is the link to domain page of lemmynsfw.com, but be warned - you'll see the post from that instance and some of them might not be properly tagged, so consider it NSFW despite your settings https://kbin.social/d/lemmynsfw.com

    Flyingtiger188,

    It's not entirely intuitive since your profile only shows you what you've blocked and doesn't give you the option to block things. You can navigate over to https://kbin.social/d/lemmynsfw.com and scroll all the way down to the bottom there will be a section with a header called Domain that shows the subscribed users, and two buttons, one for subscribe and one for block. This is how you block a domain. Repeat with links to other Domains that have content that aren't properly flagging posts as NSFW.

    cendawanita,
    cendawanita avatar

    How do I do that? Under the federation tab and add the instance?

    squeebee,
    squeebee avatar

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    Kaldo,
    Kaldo avatar

    That's how you block a magazine, they are talking about blocking the whole instance.

    squeebee,
    squeebee avatar

    Ah ok. Thanks for pointing it out.

    aetris,

    Idk how to do it through the settings UI, I just navigated to (nsfw warning) https://kbin.social/d/lemmynsfw.com (nsfw warning) and pressed the block symbol next to subscribe

    cendawanita,
    cendawanita avatar

    @aetris thank you! Good enough for me, and it works!

    @frasassi

    rodhlann,
    rodhlann avatar

    Yeah this seems to work, I wish I could paste the domain into the blocked menu in my settings so I didn't actually have to navigate there, but this works. Thanks!

    aetris,

    Yeah for now I've just been trying to hack together a usable feed/site (I'm atm actually replying to you from your profile because I can't see your reply on the original thread for some reason), my understanding is that the current front end is basically a strapped together prototype that wasn't supposed to end up with almost a quarter of a million users in a week

    rodhlann,
    rodhlann avatar

    That's exactly right! It's definitely feeling the strain of so many users

    minorsecond,
    minorsecond avatar

    Yeah I had to be really sneaking navigating there and blocking it so my wife didn't see and ask questions, lol.

    DarkThoughts,

    That link is certainly a good example of showing the issue. Almost half of the posts are not properly tagged.

    BananaTrifleViolin,

    Bizarrely I think this is an example of the success of the services as they grow. Increase in use reveals problems that people didn't realise were there, which allows them to be fixed.

    In this case, NSFW tags not being applied manually. As others have pointed out, NSFW tags might be better applied globally depending on either the hosting service &/or community.

    It's a test of the fediverse which I have no doubt will be resolved.

    CoderKat,
    CoderKat avatar

    You already can mark entire subs as NSFW. I think the problem is that a bunch of folks created subs that weren't marked as such.

    Though with federation, it's always hard to say just what features other people have. I only personally verified that kbin lets you mark subs as NSFW, but someone told me Lemmy does, too.

    BrotherCod,

    Just an individual opinion but I see way less spam than I see on Reddit when I sort top past hour. I haven't seen any advertisements yet for t-shirts or mugs. I've seen a couple of meme channels that I have blocked. I've seen very little racist postings. I see some diverse political commentary. I have seen very little or no troll posting within comment chains.

    I find the amount of people coming here and criticizing the activity pub protocols and the apps that are using them seem to have an agenda. We're living in an ecosystem that is basically getting its first real test. Tools will be built to address these things as time goes on.

    Another thing people don't talk about is the amount of moderation that's needed on Reddit to keep it semi-usable. A lot of those moderators have now left and have been replaced with lower tier mods. A lot of the auto mod tools are going to stop working in a couple of weeks. This is only the beginning. I already see a large change in what shows up in Hot or r/all. A lot of us didn't like the way Reddit has become anyway. All it is now is a vehicle to push ads and it's no longer about community and discussion.

    borkcorkedforks,

    I've seen some business type posts on microblogs but I think they're coming from mastodon instances.

    halagascan,

    I agree with OP, seeing lots of pics on the front page, something does need to be done, if not, I foresee restrictions on the horizon

    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    Feel like lemmynsfw should be an opt-in - like I have no problem seeing some “NSFW” content in my feed, by the standards a lot of people impose that like… on Reddit, cigars and drugs and other things that don’t offend me at all are marked NSFW so by default I want to allow some NSFW content… I just don’t want to see porn, I go to pornhub for that. Last thing I want is a constant stream of people advertising their onlyfans accounts.

    Otome-chan,
    Otome-chan avatar

    I'm not sure I've seen any spam tbh. but nsfw I see a lot of on here. most of it's properly marked so it's easily hidden. some of it isn't.

    lixus98, (edited )
    lixus98 avatar

    Yes, people forget to mark their posts as nsfw.
    What us users can do now is: go to the post and tell the OP to mark it as nsfw.
    Hopefully moderation will improve with time to fight off these problems.

    WuergerLarsDietrich,

    And if admins set the default to nfsw?

    lixus98,
    lixus98 avatar

    That's actually a good idea, I'm not sure if it is possible, I will check

    CookieJarObserver,

    They work on it apparently

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