Appeals Court Bails Trump Out of Having to Post Massive Fraud Bond

Donald Trump was supposed to have to post a $464 million bond by Monday or else the state of New York could begin collecting on the massive civil fraud judgment leveled against him earlier this year. An appeals court bailed him out, blocking collection of the judgment and giving the former president 10 days to post a drastically reduced $175 million bond.

The order is a huge win for Trump, whose assets were going to be subject to seizure if he couldn’t post nearly half-a-billion dollars by Monday. His lawyers said last week he wasn’t going to be able to come up with the money after 30 underwriters rejected him. The New York Times has reported that Trump is expected to be able to scrounge the new, reduced $175 million bond

Reverendender,

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME

mynamesnotrick,

FUCKING SHIT. I SWEAR TO FUCK. CANT HE BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FUCKING EVER!?!? JUST THE CLASSIFIED FUCKING DOCUMENTS SITUATION SHOULD OF HAD HIS ASS IN JAIL LIKE DISCORD BRO. FUCK.

ConditionOverload,
@ConditionOverload@lemmy.world avatar

The legal system is doing EVERYTHING it can to delay literally everything for this man, just so that election time will creep closer and closer and they can just say, “oh it’s too close to election time and we can’t just cancel a Presidential candidate in the midst of all this”.

These exceptions will never be given to any normal citizen of the US, but when it’s this rich orange idiot, every rule in existence will bend.

ObviouslyNotBanana,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Tbf the law works both ways. They cannot drop the charges to give him favor in the elections either. After the elections however, if he’s the president…

PugJesus,
PugJesus avatar

They cannot drop the charges to give him favor in the elections either.

Doubt.

The rule of law only matters when the law is enforced.

ObviouslyNotBanana,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

My claim was according to the law, not whether the law would be followed or not.

Icalasari,

May Trump and his VP pick both have fatal heart attacks late September/early October

AbidanYre,

Tomorrow would also work. Or today.

Icalasari,

I aim for Late September so the GoP are in a panic trying to replace him so late in the election season and eat themselves alive

PlantDadManGuy,

Perhaps just a debilitating stroke, that cripples him into a wheelchair, and finally inhibits that disgusting portion of his brain that knows no shame, so is forced to finally realize the culmination of his life is an enormous steaming pile of corrupted bullshit.

Cruxifux,

It’s pretty funny seeing his supporters and himself claim that the whole system is against him and that this is all some unfair witch hunt, and then turn around and see that he is constantly getting special treatment in the news.

Mastengwe,

That’s how they justify his innocence. When a corrupt system exonerates a corrupt piece of shit, but you they to acknowledge the corruption in either-

It’ll appear as if justice is being carried out and their corrupt piece of shit walks free.

TranscendentalEmpire,

Yep, trump is not the only person on trial here. You can’t set a precedent that actually punishes financial fraud to the point where you can’t actually profit from it when you’re eventually caught.

Trump isn’t the only real estate tycoon in NYC who has been fraudulently inflating the value of their assets. It would be uncomfortable for the judges to have to make a similar decision in the future to campaign donors.

PerogiBoi,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

The entire country is captured. Trumps reelection is almost guaranteed at this point.

elbarto777,

Shut up, propagandist. Go back to reddit.

PerogiBoi,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

Hush urself lil lima bean we all know u work for big bean. Go back to Lima.

elbarto777,

Lol

Skullgrid,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

You had to have seen it coming.

What was going to happen, he fails to post bond like any other schmuck and goes to jail?

borari,
@borari@sh.itjust.works avatar

That wasn’t what was at stake here. Trump was already found guilty, he wasn’t bonding out of pretrial detention he was having to post bond in order to appeal the ruling, which typically requires the person making the appeal to post a bind to make sure they don’t spend all their money fighting on appeal, just to lose the appeal and not have any money left to pay the original judgement.

So my expectation was that yes, he would have to follow the same court rules as everyone else and put up the bond in order to appeal. While I do think we should get rid of requiring pretrial detention bond, I don’t necessarily see an issue with requiring pre-appeal bond. I don’t know, you don’t want to create a situation where you’re means testing the right to appeal, but you don’t want people to indefinitely delay enforcement of judgement against them or to allow them to spend away their ability to pay the judgement on appeals. Maybe forcing either the entirety of the judgement to be paid into a more traditional escrow account, or a payment plan for the judgement to be accepted and that paid into escrow, before an appeal can be started?

Any way you cut it though, I can’t fault this chuckle fuck for playing the court game but I’m fucking incensed the court is enabling it.

Skullgrid,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks for explaining more about the shitty us “justice” system

elbarto777,

I actually thought something like this was going to happen, since it has happened before, per another comment I read earlier.

Some corporations were told to post billions in appeals bonds, and in the end they were reduced to a fraction of it.

So, while disappointing, I wasn’t completely surprised of this event.

borari,
@borari@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m slightly less mad now that I know this has precedent. I’m still fucking furious that the only precedent I’ve heard about is corporations and Trump, since the law should be equally applied regardless of absolute amounts of money and I’m pretty sure that someone living in poverty isn’t going to get the same treatment for a $50k (or whatever is a proportional amount) judgement against them.

Erasmus,
@Erasmus@lemmy.world avatar

Rules for thee but not me me!!

Neato,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

That’s bullshit. Just more laws that don’t apply to this traitor.

Trump undervalued his properties to the IRS and overvalued them to investors. And now the courts are allowing him to undervalue them so he doesn’t have to face the consequences of his fraud.

lurch,

I remember, many years ago before the first time he ran, I read he and his buddy lawyer giuliany were neck deep in shit and Stormy also had a solid case. I was like “that’s it. now he goes to jail.” but lo and behold, here we are and he’s free and running again.

Maybe it’s true what people say: Flying is like falling and missing the ground. (I think it’s based on something Douglas Adams wrote.)

jballs,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Was that when he was referenced something like “Co-Conspirator #1 who went on to lead a successful campaign to become president of the United States”?

I remember that too and thinking “oh shit, he’s fucked now!” But nope. Our political system is so broken that he really is above the law and consequences. Not sure why we went through with the whole American Revolution thing just to end up in a place where there are figurative kings held to a different standard than the rest of us peasants.

tygerprints,

Bullshit indeed, but there is not one thing you or I or anyone in this country can do about it. Trump has us all over a barrel, and we're all his puppets, and there is no way forward but to accept his will no matter what else happens. We must start to see him not as a traitor, but as a savior, for who else but a savior could escape so many serious charges.

sndmn,

How high are you right meow?

tygerprints,

Not high enough, my son. Not HIGH enough. If only I had a way to get that high!

Lev_Astov,
@Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

Do people really not appreciate simple trolling around here anymore? Everyone’s acting like they think this is serious, and that’s the most disturbing part.

KeenFlame,

It’s just what many people actually believe so not funny at all

kent_eh,

Poe’s law is in effect here.

This person may be a troll, or they may be a true believer.

MrVilliam,

Damn, I didn’t know there was such a thing as a sommelier but for boots. How many licks does it take to reach your level?

tygerprints,

A lifetime of them, my son. A lifetime of them. And your servitude to people like this is just beginning, even if you can't see it yet.

sukhmel,

/s?

Padme.jpg

baldingpudenda,

Wtf are you talking about? You start by saying yes there are two justice systems, one for rich and one for poor, then end with we should see this fucking failure of justice as an anointing of a savior?

Zombiepirate,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

They’re just a boring-ass troll trying to get a rise out of people.

They’ve probably driven away all the people in their real life and have to resort to trolling online to get any sort of attention.

It’d be sad if they didn’t suck so badly.

tygerprints,

You can either join the savior and his salvation or be one of those he tramples down into the dust. There won't be any other options.

Not that I'm a huge fan of having to bow down to this POS who I don't particularly like, but it's either that or be eradicated completely. Join or die, my friend - that's the choice you now have to make. There is no other.

ivanafterall,
ivanafterall avatar

lol

tygerprints,

Glad I could be part of your amusement and that you enjoy and agree with me on this.

linuxfiend,
linuxfiend avatar

I choose die.

tygerprints,

the living soon will envy the dead.

DandomRude,
@DandomRude@lemmy.world avatar

That’s exactly how Nazi Germany came to be.

tygerprints,

If you don't think we're already in Neo-Nazi Germany, open your eyes and look around. Here in Utah, we aren't even allowed to use the internet anymore or to talk in schools about racism or diversity. In fact the Governor just declared immigrants "poisonous scum" and said America was built by white people ordained by God to enslave the rest of humanity. And he said native americans are scumbags.

That's the world I live in every day here, and it's only getting even more restrictive, prohibitive, and full of hate every second of the day.

DandomRude,
@DandomRude@lemmy.world avatar

Well, as a German, I can only point out the parallels between today’s situation and the Nazis’ seizure of power in the Weimar Republic - and urgently warn: don’t do as the Germans did in 1933, be courageous and do everything you can to save what’s left of your democracy. I realize, of course, that the USA has long been a de facto plutocracy in which the population often loses out, but at least there are still certain freedoms. In a fascist autocracy like Nazi Germany was, there are no freedoms whatsoever: Political dissidents, intellectuals and dissenters were systematically and mercilessly persecuted, tortured and ultimately killed - millions fell victim to this inhumane regime.

Despite everything, things are not yet that bad in the USA, but the foundations are being laid. And the political climate in the USA is also frighteningly similar to the situation before the Nazis seized power in Germany: openly fascist rhetoric, a large section of the population that wants a strong leader and turns a blind eye to what that means, many disillusioned people who have already given up in frustration with economic hardship and the failure of politics and, above all, greedy opportunists in business and politics who will literally walk over dead bodies for personal gain (…).

Unfortunately, the fascists are also on the rise again in Germany. That’s why many Germans are taking to the streets to protest against the far right - if only because they want to show and feel that they are not alone in rejecting the inhuman ideology of the fascists.

So in short: please don’t give up yet, but do all you can against the rise of fascism in your country. It is not yet the end of democracy in the USA, but the danger is imminent - a fascist autocracy could very well mean a terror regime that America has never known before. Don’t let that happen!

tygerprints,

The foundations ARE indeed being laid for the USA to become extinct as a democracy, in fact I think really it's already happened. Fascist rhetoric disguised as nationalistic pride, banning books about truth under the guise of "protecting children."

I'm glad people where you are have the wherewithall to protests against these horrors, and I'm hopeful enough of us here are still good people to hang onto whatever shreds of decency remain. But they aren't many.

And America is about to enter a fascist regime that will make all others look like cakewalks by comparison - it's unavoidable.

ghostrider2112,

There’s plenty we can do about it. For instance, my wife and I just put an offer on a house in Europe and will be leaving ASAP.

kent_eh,

Hopefully you vote on your way out.

ghostrider2112,

I still care about everyone in the country. So, I’ll definitely still continue voting.

Snapz,

US is fucked, but also, what is your comment? It reads like three comments in a trenchcoat pretending to be a real comment…

“Yeah, we called Europe and we said, ‘one European house please, ASAP!’. And then we bought two airplane tickets to Europe - ‘just drop us off in Europe’ we said”

Kiwi_fella,

Come on over!

ghostrider2112,

Thanks! Hope to be there by the end of the year if everything works out! Heading home after spending a week looking at houses.

Kiwi_fella,

What countries have you been looking to move to?

ghostrider2112,

We’ve checked out a lot of countries, but we have settled on Spain.

tygerprints,

Well I'm no longer going to be leaving the US, though that was my first plan. Instead I'd gladly stay and watch it burn to the ground around me when trump gets re-elected (and note, it's not even in doubt anymore - he WILL get re-elected).

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

There’s a hundred percent chance I will eventually die and a high chance if I don’t pay my taxes I will pay fines or go to jail.

There’s maybe a 40% chance Trump will get in again even if you keep trying to discourage people to vote against him.

tygerprints,

According to polls published in USA TODAY and on NBC Nightly News, there's a 75% chance Trump actually will be re-elected. People hate him, but see him as the only one who can pull us out of rising inflation.

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

Do you believe those polls?

Snapz,

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    tygerprints,

    Hey asswipe you can shove your sick opinions back up your cunty asshole, I don't care about your feedback, and your views have ZERO meaning to anyone ya stupid piece of utter scum.

    fine_sandy_bottom,

    Of course it’s still in doubt.

    FaceDeer,
    @FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

    So what you're "doing about it" is giving up and going away.

    And people wonder why Republicans keep winning.

    wolfpack86,

    You can still vote in federal elections from abroad 🙄

    ghostrider2112,

    I will certainly continue voting!

    ghostrider2112,

    Yep. I’m almost 50 and have tried my best to help those around me see a better way. I’ve always voted. I did my part, but half the country still wants this shit. So, my wife and I are retiring early, peacing out, and letting ya’ll figure it out for yourselves. Good luck!

    fine_sandy_bottom,

    Yeah this is the way.

    Often in life when you’re faced with an untenable situation the only appropriate course of action is to withdraw.

    Sadly not an option available to most people.

    ghostrider2112,

    It is an option that requires more work and sacrifice than most people are willing to endure. We prioritized saving over consumerism, fixing things over buying new, not having kids, etc. I grew up poor, had no help from my parents (or anyone), and was able to make it. However, a lot has changed since I started to make it even more difficult for people.

    HoustonHenry,

    All you had to do was add an /s 😁

    Neato,
    @Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

    Accelerationists are shit. Get banned.

    tygerprints,

    My friend you'll soon be one of the first to reap what you've sown with your ignorance today. Have a nice "rest of the week...."

    EdibleFriend,
    @EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

    Okay kind of sort of got where you were going in the beginning but what in the ever living fuck are you blabbering about him being a savior?

    tygerprints,

    Isn't he? Everyone here in Utah kisses trump's ass daily and our conservative legislatures are constantly reminded us that trump is the Angel Moroni come back to earth, the literal second coming of christ himself, who will solve all of our problems 100 percent.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    What’s he going to save us from? The lack of a dictatorship? The tyranny of trans people?

    tygerprints,

    It could be, I say it just COULD be, that I was being a might sarcastic.....

    Maggoty,

    We really need a law that says when you tell the IRS what your property is worth they are allowed to buy it at that price; if they later find out you represented it at a higher value to others.

    John_McMurray,

    Eh. This was a pretty political trial. “Over valued his holdings” oh probably a little, but value of real estate isn’t fixed. The bank reps would have to be completely incompetent or maybe they agreed with the valuations.

    CaptDust,

    Do these judges have to explain their decision? Is there an opinion published somewhere? I’d love to understand what context brought them to this conclusion, I’ve never heard of someone gaining leniency because they couldn’t afford the fine.

    There’s an old saying in Tennessee, I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, “don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time”…

    cogman,

    The published order is just that. It doesn’t explain the why or whatever just “We are reducing the bond amount and not removing the other limitations of the ruling”

    DogPeePoo,

    “…because Project 2025”

    Tinidril,

    It’s actually a pretty liberal court that made the ruling.

    WhatAmLemmy,

    Neoliberal club. Fascist conservative club. It’s all the same fucking club, and you ain’t in it!

    tygerprints,

    It if were you or me or anyone else but trump, you know damn well there'd be ZERO leniency of any kind.

    I don't know what sort of incredible powers he has, but he definitely has. Maybe I'm coming around to see him not as a traitor or an idiot anymore, but sort of a superhero with powers I'm just beginning to appreciate. Maybe I will vote for him after all - he simply can't be held down or held responsible, and that's pretty amazing.

    sukhmel,

    The way this shit goes, I’m not going to be surprised if Trump will declare to be ineligible to be judged on the basis of being a sovereign citizen

    tygerprints,

    The sovereign citizens of which there are a surprisingly huge number (I never will know how they got licenses or jobs here since they claim they aren't actually citizens of our country) would definitely support that.

    CaptainSpaceman,

    A sovereign citizen couldnt run for President

    guacupado,

    Just like someone involved in an insurrection couldn’t, right?

    CaptainSpaceman,

    I meant because they are trying to be sovereign from the US of their own accord, therefore adjacent to the US political system and not part of it, again, by their own choosing.

    sukhmel,

    Oh, I’m sure he’s apt enough in mental gymnastics to come up with some bullshit reason to run for president while also being absolutely independent from the jurisdiction

    Kbin_space_program,

    Trump is a man who prior to 2015, was a close personal friend of both of the Clintons.

    As I understand it, Ivanka is still a close friend of Chelsea Clinton.

    He might act like he's not part of the elite power clique. But he's absolutely part of the elite power clique.

    jballs,
    @jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

    There’s an old saying in Tennessee, I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee

    You know we’re fucked when I’m nostalgic for a time when Republicans were just dumb fucks trying to make their friends rich, rather than dumb fucks trying to destroy our democracy.

    eskimofry,

    Isn’t the first one a prerequisite for the second one?

    kent_eh,

    Works in the opposite order too.

    fine_sandy_bottom,

    I guess there’s a problem in that he needs the money in order to appeal.

    Like everyone should have some right of appeal, and saying someone can’t appeal because they’re broke could be used to manipulate the justice system.

    He still has to pay the whole amount if he loses the appeal.

    CaptDust,

    The whole point of the bond is to prevent pointless appeals in the court (which I have to assume this will be) and, more importantly, serves as a guarantee the defendant will fulfill their obligations and pay at the end of an appeal failure, which … trump is absolutely a risk of not paying. And these judges have now effectively cast the guarantee aside.

    fine_sandy_bottom,

    Perhaps, but do you agree everyone should be able to appeal?

    CaptDust, (edited )

    Sure, and frankly there is nothing preventing trump from appealing. However an appeal is not a green light to ignore or discard the lower court’s decision in the interim. Specifically outlined in the NY Court website

    "Filing a Notice of Appeal does not stop or stay the winning side from taking steps to collect or enforce the judgment from the lower court. To put the collection on hold, you may have to ask the court for a stay. You may have to pay an amount of money equal to the judgment amount, called an undertaking, to the court while the appeal is being decided. "

    And further to the point, I’d still like to understand what context he’s appealing under that was so compelling. This is a financial case, the facts and accounting figures supporting the judgement will presumably not change, leaving little room for a successful appeal.

    Ultimately I’m of the opinion this is a frivolous appeal, and trump will not find the full amount owed at the end of it. By lowering the bond the appeals court has neutered the purpose of securing the bond in the first place, which can only to lead to more delays and difficulties collecting in the future.

    Machinist, (edited )
    @Machinist@lemmy.world avatar

    Damn. I was really hoping this would be a ray of light for the next year and a reduction in the level of election insanity we’re going to see.

    Instead, just more fuel for the flames.

    tygerprints,

    Another damning moment for mankind, a true shitshow that demonstrates how utterly worthless men truly are through and through in every way.

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    37% of the original total.

    (NSFW)

    youtu.be/1OQl89ewXvc#t=55

    tygerprints,

    Shit. Shit. Shit shit shit. I knew some asshole stunt like this would happen. I said it at the very beginning - trump will never pay for any of the despicable things he's done, and he'll never ever set foot in prison.

    I do not know what sort of strings he has attached to other people's spines, I do not know what sort of tremendous fear they have of him or what strange powers he must have - but I knew, I KNEW some horseshit like this would come along and fuck up the whole fucking process.

    THe judicial system in the U.S. is an utter piece of total crap.

    TheMusicalFruit,

    Does anyone else have a feeling he won’t be able to come up with this amount either?

    elbarto777,

    Yup.

    tygerprints,

    He doesn't have to, his sycophantic followers will go into bankruptcy to provide it for him. I just found out he's already raised more than this to pay the debt as of this morning.

    ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

    He’s already posted a reaction post to Truth Social which fawns over the Appeals Court ruling. I don’t trust the words if he says he can pay, but I trust that he would be whining like a toddler in time-out right now if he couldn’t. So he’ll probably be able to pay.

    FaceDeer,
    @FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

    Until he thinks "wait a minute, I whined and whined and they reduced the bond. Maybe if I continue whining and whining they'll reduce it more."

    PerogiBoi,
    @PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

    I have zero doubt that he will be able to fundraise this amount in the 10 day extension he was given. There are several people I went to high school with (in Ontario) that are actively donating to him.

    kent_eh,

    have zero doubt that he will be able to fundraise this amount in the 10 day extension he was given.

    He has been pumping that well for a long time. It’s going to go dry at some point.

    dogslayeggs,

    It’s a lot easier to get a few $50M bonds than to get five $100M bonds (I read some post that said these big bond places have firm limits at $100M). It also gives him 10 more days to tout how he is about to make $3B on his Truth Social sale (to a shell company who overinflated the price) and will totally be good for the bond. I think he can do it just to avoid them digging into his finances.

    It’s complete bullshit. Normal people are not given this kind of leniency.

    nondescripthandle,

    How republican do I have to be to get light sentences for crime because Im trying to ***** a *** in the ****

    NounsAndWords,

    I have lost all faith in our justice system.

    BossDj,

    I have lost all faith in our justice system.

    thesohoriots,

    “Justice system” is a misnomer. “Legal system” is more apt.

    BestBouclettes,

    You still had any? Damn…

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    There was never reason to have faith in it to begin with.

    It’s a justice system that began with maintaining the institution of chattel slavery and continues to maintain the institution of slavery through the prison system, and convicting black people more often and for longer sentences.

    danekrae,

    What a great country you guys have…

    JoMiran,
    @JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

    Every other country in the world reading that comment. https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/7ddb8ee5-9adc-45f6-a7cf-12cab896f0a3.png

    The one universal truth is that the same rules do not apply to the rich and powerful, no matter where you live.

    danekrae, (edited )

    Suuure…

    Edit: You guys have clearly been everywhere…

    aStonedSanta,

    Where do you live?

    MeekerThanBeaker,

    Denialand.

    EchoCT,

    Violence would solve this problem.

    some_designer_dude,

    It would, but it would also create lots of new problems. I would regain some hope for humanity, though, if the people finally woke up to the reality of their 350,000,000:1 ratio against their oppressors…

    kent_eh,

    but it would also create lots of new problems.

    Much bigger and even harder to solve problems.

    Look at any of the places which have recently or regularly chosen violence.

    guacupado,

    Yeah, people forget America needed a revolution to become America when the system was failing.

    Tinidril,

    Start putting together a leadership team for as new American rebellion, and at least one out of every ten recruits will be a fed.

    someguy3,

    People say he’s being treated different, and he is. Special treatment in his favour.

    Yawweee877h444,

    Rule of law either doesn’t apply or is very lenient to rich people.

    SonicDeathTaco,

    The application of the rule of law being dependent on the size of one’s bank account has long been a proud bipartisan tradition in this country.

    BlackNo1,

    burn this country down

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