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Pratai, in The kind of dumbassery I've had to deal with this weekend both IRL and online. Someone kill me please.

Please tell me that political compass memes aren’t going to be invading lemmy.

thanks_shakey_snake,

IMO this one subverts the format, so it’s all good.

stovemilk,

I enjoy the format. Even with obvious bias in memes, they make fun of everyone

aubertlone,

By and large they make fun of the left, liberal leaning types.

HelixDab2,

It’s super-interesting that hexbear does the same; it’s always dunking on the libs, not dunking on the Nazis, etc.

Interesting, huh?

aubertlone,

I would love to agree with you. However I don’t think I’ve seen a hexbear post in general for whatever reason. maybe that’s for the best considering the few posts I have seen about degenerating from them

But yes, I can at least agree with you about political compass memes. I stumbled on that subreddit earlier this year while I was still on Reddit.

I was like, oh cool, a place to make fun of everyone on the political spectrum. But the posts only ever seemed to really make fun of anyone on the left. Comments were much worse than the posts, in general

DragonTypeWyvern, (edited )

I was on it when it was relatively new to trending. It seemed a bit more even, but like any community that allows Nazis to say Nazi shit, everyone that wasn’t a Nazi got sick of it and left, and now it’s Nazis larping and trying to convert clueless people that walk in.

pinkdrunkenelephants,

I think this is the only good one

Pratai,

Inclined to agree- but god I hope this doesn’t open the floodgates. That subreddit is about as cringy as it gets.

AngrilyEatingMuffins,
AngrilyEatingMuffins avatar

It’s worse than that. It’s one of the few places that invites fascist participation, shouts down those that object to that participation, and purposefully induces normal people into interacting with fascists and their ideas. We should not allow it here.

PoliticalAgitator,

All under the pretense that “everyone is welcome”. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that every meme that makes it to the front page is far-right and that 75% of the people flared “left” hold views like “I’m left wing but I think leftists take things too far” and other fascist apologism.

lobut, in Private vs public sector.

I don’t understand what this is trying to say. The cybertruck is a disaster and I think that social distancing was for COVID right?

Also, I think there’s something called the Flynn Effect and it’s that in general kids are getting smarter with each generation (I think?).

PunnyName,

Not to mention, smaller classes are generally better for education.

Anticorp,

Distancing doesn’t work in a small, enclosed environment. The viral load will build up in the atmosphere until it’s a generally contagious room. They knew this, they just didn’t want people to be able to stay home.

corsicanguppy,

Yeah. It’s so cherry-picked that it’s almost comedy.

I have one for you, almost as cherry-picked:

Gov work in 1880: rote, established tools, few surprises.

Company work in 1880: rote, established tools, few surprises.

Gov work in 2024: rote, established tools, few surprises.

Company work in 2024: I accept complete responsibility for your termination because we moved the office while you were safely working remotely during a global pandemic and then got lonely so everyone had to come back. I will retire to my yacht and reflect on this. Good luck in your next endeavour.

goferking0,

Is it social distancing or really good student to teacher ratios?

Binthinkin, in Bound to show up any day now...

That war served to destroy my generation but we got Obama in and changed the country. Fuck the conservatives to hell (too bad it doesn’t exist).

ininewcrow, in Hamas supporters when Hamas rapes women
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Ghost33313,
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I've met plenty of Zionists who hate how the IDF is handling this.

speaker_hat, (edited )

The IDF initialize phone calls, text messages and send leaflets before targeting military targets across the Gaza Strip to dismantle the Hamas terrorist organisation.

Sources:

I also feel sorry for these people to have terrorist military cells in their buildings.

Does anyone calls, sends messages or leaflets to Israeli citizens (including non-jews) before attacking them? No, because THEY are the target.

corsicanguppy,

feel sorry for these people to have terrorist military cells in their buildings.

[X] to disbelieve.

ininewcrow,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

Hamas has maybe a few million dollars worth of weapons and military hardware and some dumb rockets they aim in the general direction of Israel … they’re also capable of launching a minor military invasion that can kill 1,200 Israelis … compared to Israel which has nuclear weapons, the support of the world’s largest military, the support of the world’s military corporations and billions of dollars of funding support that lead to the deaths of 17,000 people (and counting).

Israel can spend a few decades steadily terrorizing Palestinians by penning them up in an open prison and limiting their resources and killing them on a regular basis … about 3,000 Palestinians over the past 15 years … compared to 200 Israelis in the same time period.

This is like saying someone took revenge for the killing of their sister … by slaughtering the family of the murderer, his neighbours, and a few extended family members as retaliation.

There are bad actors on both sides … a third party should step in to cease hostilities … negotiate everything and stop the death and killing. This isn’t medieval Europe … the world can figure out how to resolve a modern dispute no matter how complicated, deadly or difficult it is … it’s just a matter of convincing world leaders to stand up, take responsibility, hold everyone accountable and do something to resolve all this.

Continued bombing, shooting, killing and indiscriminate violence will not resolve anything and will only make the situation worse for everyone on all sides.

Source:

speaker_hat, (edited )

Hamas has maybe a few million dollars worth of weapons and military hardware

This is false. Hamas has an annual budget of around $1 billion (€938 million) to govern the Gaza Strip and run its military arm. Source: euronews.com/…/sanctions-on-hamas-secret-investme…

and some dumb rockets they aim in the general direction of Israel

So because the rockets are dumb, this is fine to aim in the general Israel direction? well, no.

minor military invasion that can kill 1,200 Israelis

By latest count, the attacks by Hamas—the Arabic acronym for the Islamic Resistance Movement—killed more than 1,300 Israelis and third-country nationals, including at least 29 Americans, in a country whose population is less than 10 million. In America, that would be equivalent to killing nearly 40,000—13 times more than the number of Al Qaeda victims on 9/11. Minor, well, no. Source: washingtoninstitute.org/…/why-107-was-worse-israe…

penning them up in an open prison

I hope that you will be able to lead your people on the path of democracy and maintenance of law and order, until the establishment of an independent and democratic Palestinian state. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon who withdraw IDF from Gaza Strip. Source: www.gov.il/en/departments/news/speech080205

There are bad actors on both sides … a third party should step in to cease hostilities … negotiate everything and stop the death and killing.

Now, I agree. However, 3rd party negotiation doesn’t work, because this is what was done until today, and as you can see, it’s not resolved.

Continued bombing, shooting, killing and indiscriminate violence will not resolve anything and will only make the situation worse for everyone on all sides.

I also agree, however, unfortunately bombing shooting and killing is the way terrorist organizations (i.e. Hamas) operates. And, unfortunately terrorism can be only treated by force (e.g. ISIS, al-Qaida, and hopefully Hamas).

The problem is that Hamas terrorists are necessarily Palestinians, but Palestinians are not necessarily terrorists.

NoIWontPickaName,

1 life is worth 1 life no more, to think otherwise is arrogance and hubris

Rentlar,

Don’t forget the Israeli regime being big supporters of Hamas, propping them up with suitcases full of cash in order to deny any chance of democratic peace and provoke an attack like Oct 7 that could justify a genocide.

drolex, in Hamas supporters when Hamas rapes women

Are these Hamas supporters in the room with us at the moment?

speaker_hat,

Hamas supporter comment: lemmy.one/comment/5470637

cobra89,

The comment you linked:

Fuck Israel, they need to end the apartheid, but that does not mean I support terrorism or sexual assault. You dense cabbage

How exactly is that supporting Hamas?

deegeese,

“Hamas called me a cabbage!”

rigatti,
@rigatti@lemmy.world avatar

They’re not in any room, because they don’t actually exist.

speaker_hat, (edited )

This is false.

There are a lot of people who are afraid to say they support Hamas, because they know that this is something to be ashamed of, and might be illegal in their area.

And according to en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas (reduced for TL;DR):

  • Allies
    • State allies:
      • Afghanistan
      • Algeria
      • Iran
      • Qatar
      • Syria (until 2011, again since 2022)
      • Turkey (partly)
      • Venezuela
    • Non-state allies:
      • Hezbollah
      • Islamic Jihad
deegeese,

Is North Korea in this Lemmy right now?

speaker_hat,

You are correct, they don’t have internet access, I’ll remove it.

theodewere, in They’re coming for your guns
theodewere avatar

those guns are like a boat anchor around your neck

shalafi, in They’re coming for your guns

Boolshit like this is why I gotta remember to stock up on ammo well before the 2024 election.

LOTS of liberal sorts been buying guns. Women, POC and LGBT folks have been the largest gun buying demographic for a few years. They’ll be stocking up in case of a Trump win. I’m an old white guy, but I’ll be joining them.

And of course the conservative sorts will pull their usual freakout in case a Democrat wins. Even when it’s the same Democrat from the last 4-years. You would think they’d have learned after 8-years of Obama. LOL nope. Panicky little bitches.

PoliticalAgitator,

Don’t be coy, who are you going to shoot? People are being killed so you can buy guns and ammo on a whim, especially those “women, POC and LGBT folks”.

Or is this just more astro-turfing from the gun lobby, targeting a new demographic after saturating their core “idiots, racists and domestic terrorists” market?

AA5B,

The fearful, anxious and nervous have always been a core demographic for the gun lobby.

This is the a big reason for gun control.

  • some people are hunters, collectors or hobbyists. They probably follow gun safety and security rules, or live away from people so who cares
  • some people are idiots, racists, and domestic terrorists. Hopefully the FBI is on the case
  • but the nervous, anxious and fearful probably always have a loaded weapon at hand, not secured because they may “need it”, and are more likely to just start blasting away out of their own fear

Yeah, the idiots, racists and domestic terrorists make the headlines with mass killings, but it’s the nervous, anxious and fearful that present the most danger for most of us. At any time, there could be an unsecured loaded weapon around for the taking or pulled out because someone got startled, or is in an unexpected situation, or approached by someone with the wrong skin color, or even in what should have been a minor altercation

yesman,

Hopefully the FBI is on the case

The FBI being on the case means that they mastermind a plot, fund it, arm it, and get a few suckers to agree to it, then put those people in jail forever. Just because the right hates them now too doesn’t mean they stopped being motherfuckers. I stand with MTG: defund the FBI!

Formes,

There was a time when high school aged kids, especially more rural area’s, would have a rifle in the vehicle they went to school in, and would go hunting after. The rate of school shootings was extremely low and rare. So - I ask: What changed?

We’ve had machine guns accessible to people since the 1920’s, we’ve had the know how to make guns with supplies from a hardware store since like the Irish Revolution. So it’s not an accessibility issue.

Wealth Disparity, More parents with multiple jobs, commodification of housing, gentrification of neighbourhoods. That all started happening in and around the 1960’s really. Beyond this - leaded gasoline, given lead poisoning and exposure to such has been linked to lower empathy. And then there is my favorite: This cultural shift to seemingly rejecting personal responsibility - and why? how? The answer is how we are educated. What we are taught. And as a society - we voted for these changes, either purposefully or through complacency.

I’m not saying you should be allowed to go out and buy a minigun and all the ammo. What I am saying is that guns aren’t the problem - it’s the cultural back drop that is being ignored. The changes between then and now that have been demonstrably negative. And yet - the negative parts aren’t being discussed or dealt with because ultimately those in power, lacking empathy for the average person, profit from this entire situation.

It’s time we as a society tell the capitalists to shut up until basic needs are covered (food, shelter) - and tell the socialists to shut up because the USSR is a failed state. And tell the Corrupt unions to rethink their priorities. And Finally - it’s time for a new labour movement.

You know what got labour laws passed and happening in the US? Guns. So bad was the violence against labour movements that the labour movements started showing up armed and being willing to shoot first and ask questions later to the point that the government HAD to act, HAD to listen because the economy was being threatened. The reason strikes work is ultimately because it threatens companies economic viability, and it’s why we need anti-scab legislation.

It turns out that mixed-market economics is the way to go. And somehow, even back in the day - under a different format, even Adam Smith had some understanding of this. After all: The church was responsible for the charity work, and it was a MANDATE BY GOD to give like 10% of your earnings to the church. Of course - the Catholic Church is well known for hording wealth and trying to keep knowledge as the exclusive domain of the church but, well… things went sideways, the church stopped, greedy people took over and no one stepped in to fix the situation leading to toxic environments during the industrial revolution that were exploitative. And this is why we need legislation to protect against this.

UBI is an inevitability sooner or later - and it can act as a general replacement for the payouts of welfare, old age, and so much more. Sure, we need social assistance programs, but imagine how many people out their would be happy to take UBI, Work part time, and commit 10-20 hours a week just helping other people: I know many of them. But under the current environment - it doesn’t happen, and so our elderly get neglected, those down on their luck get ignored, and it’s a struggle.

We as a Society need to do better.

And doing better fixes the vast majority of crime - including gun crime.

TL;DR: Guns aren’t really the issue. The issue is the societal back drop that has changed arguably for the worse do to creating higher degrees of wealth disparity, and a greater degree of poverty which is directly linked with increased crime.

Anticorp,

There are 393.3 million guns owned by private citizens in the United States. 46% of all households own at least one gun. Do you really think the gun manufacturers need to troll an overall meaningless social network, posting misinformation on some random-ass meme to push their agenda? I’m hoping your comment was satire and I just have a broken satire meter.

PoliticalAgitator,

Do you really think the gun manufacturers need to troll an overall meaningless social network, posting misinformation on some random-ass meme to push their agenda?

Not really how modern astro-turfing works (its far too easy to catch). Instead, talking points are seeded and signal boosted in key communities, then left to spread organically from there.

You’re welcome to believe that an industry that makes tools to kill people, that donates $16 million each year to Republicians and spends even more on legal challenges, would never stoop to the kind of sleazy tricks used by oil and tobacco industries, or companies like Microsoft and Apple, or governments like Israel’s and China’s.

Personally, that sounds pretty naive to me.

So why did “guns are awesome for women and the gays” suddenly become the favourite take of pro-gun groups? It definitely didn’t follow a high profile event where a minority defended themselves with a gun, because there hasn’t been any.

The only minority group that benefits from permissive gun laws is white supremacists.

yesman,

Look in the mirror because that’s the person most likely to get shot with your guns. Who do you love most in the world? Because they’re number 2. This fantasy that gun ownership protects people, especially from the government needs to fucking die.

The natives had Guns; the Black Panthers had guns; Briana Taylor had an armed protector too.

TheOriginalGregToo,

You’re absolutely right, guns don’t protect people at all…oh wait, they do. You mean the left has been lying to me this entire time?

Pogbom,

Of those people that were protected, how many were protected from other people with guns? It’s just an arms race basically. Sure everyone needs guns for protection, because everyone has guns. Funny how all the countries with low gun ownership don’t have rampant murders.

shalafi,

Funny how the countries with high gun ownership don’t have rampant murder. Israel and Switzerland anyone?

America doesn’t have a gun problem, we have a culture problem.

ThunderWhiskers,
@ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe Switzerland and Israel aren’t the best examples. Switzerland has mandatory military service and by extension firearm familiarity training. Israel is…well Israel.

Pogbom,

Also s good point. I feel like that adds to mine actually. Considering the severe lack of education, mental health support, etc. in the US, the solution isn’t to add more guns then. Gun ownership increases safety when everyone is responsible (like Switzerland) but decreases it when everyone is not (like the US).

shalafi,

I’m certain of it, and that’s why I didn’t have a gun until I was 39. Too mentally unstable. Suicidal ideation is no longer on the table, and hasn’t been for some time.

And yes, my guns could certainly fight the government. I’d likely die, but how many armed citizens fighting back would the government continue to prosecute? And it’s not like they would call in airstrikes on my hood. And how many soldiers would even participate, knowing they would be under fire from every 2nd window?

I watched a video last year of jihadis randomly shooting up a residential block of apartments after last year’s Iranian protests. Think that could happen in America? Men running and gunning while the civilians all cower in helplessness? Why or why not?

Or would they even start? Look OP, I’m 52 and never imagined America falling into the fascist hellscape we’re facing now. The front runner for the GOP candidacy just called me “vermin”, an “internal enemy” that must be exterminated. And he has a solid chance of winning.

So if you think things are bad now, just how bad would they be if the government knew, for a fact, that the citizenry was helpless? I’m not taking bets, not anymore, not with what I’ve seen this past decade.

You can choose to be peaceful, but if you are unarmed and practiced, you are merely harmless.

uphillbothways, in Conservatism in 2023
uphillbothways avatar

doesn't stand for a damn thing. simply obstructionist. same as it ever was

MyFairJulia,
@MyFairJulia@lemmy.world avatar

Same as it ever was

Luminocta,

Same as it ever was

Number358,
Psaldorn,
@Psaldorn@lemmy.world avatar

And the days go by

Rentlar,

Let the water hold me dow-

HubertManne,
HubertManne avatar

water flowing underground

nartimus, in This guy sucked

@MentallyExhausted we would have had a second term of Jimmy Carter, who by all accounts was simply a good man (rare in politics)

LillyPip, in MAGA then vs now.

Fascism’s major hallmark is fervent hypocrisy. That’s how people could live within half a mile of death camps and just casually brush the ash of burnt people from their hair, then smile like they’re going on a picnic as they’re led into the death camps at the end of their street, then ten minutes later, after seeing actual corpses stacked like cordwood, they’re vomiting and swearing they had no idea.

We can’t let the uneducated masses lead us into that kind of horror again, We need to educate them of what they’re advocating for and why that’s so horrifically dangerous. We need to stop hedging and beating round the bush, and lay out in detail what they’re actually enabling. People die when this kind of nationalistic ignorance is allowed to proliferate. We need to stop this ignorance before it kills people.

snownyte,

The sad fact of the matter is, we are really leading ourselves into a cycle of repeated history. All that’s missing is the declaration of what to do with the minority groups once a certain politcal party gets power. They’ve already got the dismantling of rights down. We’re just waiting for the next announcement to be “THEY’LL BE ALL CARTED OFF INTO THESE ENCAMPMENT SITES! WE’RE GOING TO TURN PRISONS NOW INTO THE NEW GAS CHAMBERS! I DON’T REMEMBER A SINGLE THING OF A HOLOCAUST!”

Because you know we’re now dealing with generations that have people who’re actively trying to whitewash that entire bit of history away or going to lengths to try and make it not as big of a deal as it really was.

HawlSera, in MAGA then vs now.

Rules for thee, not for me?

Emmie, (edited ) in MAGA then vs now.

The moral isn’t “don’t be a hypocrite”

The moral is: be sexy and good looking

madcaesar,

Hate and anger will make you ugly on the inside and outside.

suction,

I think the point is that the inner ugliness influences the appearance

nifty,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Who is sexy and good looking in any of this?

Emmie, (edited )

Lemme rephrase: if you have enough charisma you can pull off anything and no one will notice

The essence of politics isn’t to not be a hypocrite but to look good being one.

It turns out true times and times again when after elections the ‘more moral side’ does the same thing as what they said is evil but makes it look like a good thing.

It isn’t unreasonable to assume such skill also comes handy in day to day life. Look good, be sexy, get rewards. Spoils. Loot. Benefits.

To swim in the sea of shit you need to have some buoy.

DoucheBagMcSwag, (edited ) in MAGA then vs now.

I like it how the oxygen sucking maggot gets fatter every year

jose1324,

Does it? Looks just like some artist variations ngl

uis,

Except 2016-2017

ouRKaoS,

Didn’t wear a mask in 2020, either

Mango, in MAGA then vs now.

Who is her? Also him.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Hillary and Biden

ansiz,

Hilary Clinton and Joe Biden unless I’m missing something.

balderdash9,

I thought Hilary and Hunter Biden

irreticent,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

They’re trying to impeach Joe without any evidence of a crime. They definitely want to lock him up too.

Emtity_13, in MAGA then vs now.

Woundful word from an old book I read discribes the way these people think well.

double-think

stebo02,
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

that implies they think twice? where in reality they don’t think about anything

jaybone,

1984?

Emtity_13,

Big brother is watching you

Colonel_Panic_,

Thought crime!!!

hydrospanner,

That’s double-plus ungood.

uis,

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