jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

2nd day at talking “urban nodes” (aka cities) and their connections to the EU Trans European Networks. It’s a jargon soup at the start.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

“Every urban node needs a SUMP by 2027” (Sustainable Urban Mobility Plan) And These 431 nodes have to submit data. This largely makes sense, but the devil is going to be in the detail here.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Certain criteria that each urban node has a multimodal transport “hub” by 2030. Not the worst idea. Is the Commission going to check it happens? Each has to have a multimodal freight terminal too.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar
jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Catherine Trautmann is a very experienced politician, now a TEN-T coordinator. But she still reads a speech on a panel. A panel ought to be a conversation. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Trautmann?wprov=sfti1#

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

I thought the rail freight stuff was abstract yesterday. This TEN-T and urban nodes stuff today is worse. I’m totally lost.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

We are proud to be an urban node, and won a prize for our urban mobility plan says Elke Van Den Brandt, Minister of Mobility and Public Works of Brussels. But can Brussels better join itself up with others? Like improving sustainable links to Germany for example?

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Give Elke Van Den Brandt her due: urban mobility in Brussels is massively improving. It’s so much better to cycle here than it used to be.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

There must be some middle ground between broad brush political rhetoric and a soup of acronyms from officials. We’re definitely not finding it here though.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Some dude just tried to pitch hyperloop to me. “I don’t believe in hyperloop” I told him. I’m pretty sure I’m about the worst person he could have found.

herbert_tiemens,
@herbert_tiemens@mastodon.nl avatar

@jon As long as such dudes talk to you, they don't infect officials with money.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@herbert_tiemens Ha. Thanks. I think 🙂

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Now SNCF Cécile Guilhaumaud is telling me passenger satisfaction is of central importance.

Through tickets are an advantage for passengers she says. Is she serious? SNCF is terrible at this.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

To explain: I can buy a through ticket from Berlin to any rail station in NL, BE, CH, AT, CZ, DK. Some even in PL, HU, SI, HR. And pretty much none in France. Because SNCF makes it next to impossible.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Ha. Now someone from the bus industry saying there are few complaints about their industry. It could perhaps be that your hope is so low if you take a bus? Sorry!

pettter,
@pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se avatar

@jon Even with that, Flixbus has disappointed me badly.

mjr,
@mjr@masto.bike avatar

@pettter @jon anyone who thinks there aren't complaints about buses isn't monitoring social media. People don't complain to bus operating companies or authorities any more because nothing changes.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@mjr @pettter Well you helpfully don’t notice that if you’re a lobbyist.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

I also think the premise completing TEN-T will improve passenger rights is incorrect. It might improve the passenger experience (speed, reliability). But things will still go wrong and operators will still be malevolent.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

WHAT? SNCF now saying high speed rail is more unreliable in Spain since new operators entered the market. 1) Isn’t it SNCF operated OUIGO that’s worst? And 2) isn’t it because there are now more trains running?

wrzlbrnft,
@wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe avatar

@jon High speed rail between Paris and Lyon must be a total mess since Trenitalia and OUIGO entered the market.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@wrzlbrnft LOL 😂

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Now SNCF - whose network is only about 4% ERTMS equipped - is defending ERTMS as a passenger benefit. Ok.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

This presentation from Cécile Guilhaumaud from SNCF is amazing. She has no self awareness - anyone with any knowledge of this sector knows SNCF is in some of this doing precisely the opposite of what she is saying.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

€6m cost for better info from SNCF Voyageurs as a result of 2023 Passenger Rights Regulation says Cécile Guilhaumaud. But can we know if SNCF is even fully compliant?

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Siemens Vectron ad

Anything missing? 🤔

pony,
@pony@blovice.bahnhof.cz avatar

@jon Ukraine.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@pony that’s quite easy. Adapt the Finnish one 🙂

Zugschlus,
@Zugschlus@zug.network avatar

@jon Looks like the Vectron is not French enough.

taschenorakel,
@taschenorakel@mastodon.green avatar
jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@taschenorakel @Zugschlus Yes. It’s meant to be sorted this year.

patrick,
@patrick@mendeddrum.org avatar

@jon RailBaltica.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@patrick to be fair it doesn’t exist yet ;-) Once it does a Vectron will be compatible from Day 1

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Might be the last time I ever hear a speech by Adina Vălean 😭 😭 😭

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Damn I’m so stuck. I’m lost in this transport policy business.

I can’t stand the flowery rhetoric of politicians not backed up by action. I can’t bear officials hiding behind jargon. I can’t tolerate industry people saying the indefensible because they have to.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

“Ensure a timely completion of the [TEN-T] network”

We all know it won’t be complete on time. Why are we even saying we can ensure timely completion? Why are we bullshitting ourselves?

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Karima Delli says TEN-T as TNT 🧨 and I can’t unhear it.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Now Delli complaining 40% of rail lines are not electrified. Don’t get me wrong - some of those ought to be electrified, but most of those lines are marginal, especially for freight.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

You need a coherent intellectual framework to know how to talk about these big long term transport topics covered by TEN-T. And how to fit details into a whole. It’s genuinely hard. That’s probably why using jargon is so common here - it’s hard not to fall into that trap.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Now Martin Kupka (Czech transport minister) talking about gaps in TEN-T. That’s you he’s talking about, Bayern.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Oh 🤦‍♂️ They’re now trying to talk about re-gauging railways on the panel and it’s it effing peinlich.

grlodi,
@grlodi@mastodon.social avatar

@jon Re gauging what? Finland+baltics? When they complain about funding for already existing projects? Lol

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@grlodi Ukraine, mostly.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

And now the moderator is making facile points about Turku being close to Russia is painful too. Thank goodness Minna Arve the mayor of Turku is 😎

sebwilken,
@sebwilken@mastodon.social avatar

@jon Not exactly next door

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@sebwilken Right. You don’t have to convince me. I 1) know how to read a map, and 2) know where Turku is 🙂

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

What challenges does the revision of TEN-T bring you? Slido poll. Someone answered “France” and it’s 😂. I swear it wasn’t my answer. Really.

sorenhave,
@sorenhave@mastodon.nu avatar

@jon Thx for your reporting. I saw the event just yesterday, and thought ‘ach, that might have been a trip worthwhile’. Now I sleep better at night.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@sorenhave discussions over a coffee in the margins are good. I met a few people I’ve not seen in years. But the formal sessions are quite tedious.

quixoticgeek,
@quixoticgeek@v.st avatar

@jon of course. If it was you, it'd be sncf...

benlk,
@benlk@urbanists.social avatar

@jon Based on the size of the word cloud, I think at least two people submitted France. Why is France an obstacle? Asking for an American.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@benlk on rail it is. Claims to be pro EU but sabotages

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Does ÖBB put all its senior people through speech training? Because their people are always clear, even when I sometimes disagree. Judith Engel, Board Member for Network Expansion and Infrastructure Provision, ÖBB Infrastruktur AG, very much this here at

oliof,
@oliof@hachyderm.io avatar

@jon Austrian English is just so nice compared to the German Butcher Job. I think it's due to the melody in Austrian.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@oliof Yes, although Engel also spoke comparatively without accent.

prefec2,
@prefec2@norden.social avatar

@jon maybe they know what they are talking about and are really there to make a difference. This often helps. just my 2¢

BTW Thanks for reporting from the event. It is greatly appreciated.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@prefec2 they know their topics. But for many speakers they can’t explain it. ÖBB people can.

Pepijn,
@Pepijn@mastodon.online avatar

@jon about half of Poland is closer to Russia than Turku is. Also what point were they trying to make with that factoid?

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@Pepijn Honestly no idea. It was grim.

julienw,
@julienw@pouet.chapril.org avatar

@jon co-funded by the EU, really ??

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@julienw Yeah. Annoying. How much I don’t know.

knud,
@knud@mastodon.social avatar

@jon

Honestly, that flyer seems like a sad product of "well, we have to do publicity, per our funding contract", but it already tells that the end is near. And this is after taking Dutch understatement and calmness into account.

At least the flyer doesn't claim that this will ever be broadly used.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@knud this guy was randomly pitching to people in the coffee area though. That was peculiar I thought. He was rather demanding.

knud,
@knud@mastodon.social avatar

@jon

There was probably the need to distribute 1000 flyers that day, so they can write "communication with 1000 high-profile stakeholders at European mobility conference" into their 2024 EU funding grant report.

partim,
@partim@social.tchncs.de avatar

@jon I walked in Brussels because I couldn’t figure out how to get a tram ticket.

smveerman,
@smveerman@zug.network avatar

@partim @jon Just pay with your bank card. There is an automatic cap on it.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@smveerman @partim that’s quite new. But yes, it’s welcome and it works.

partim,
@partim@social.tchncs.de avatar

@smveerman @jon Oh. Didn’t know you could. Pretty sure I checked the website.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@partim @smveerman I only noticed it in March. It’s pretty new.

cdamian,
@cdamian@rls.social avatar

@jon the last time I have been there, even walking was tricky at times.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@cdamian Yes. It’s still not great either on foot or bike. But the improvement is clear - it’s radical and good what they’re doing.

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