Ghostalmedia,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

This “not a democracy, a republic” crap is becoming more and more popular on the right. They’re not even trying to hide the authoritarianism and fascism any more. They’re now openly saying they don’t support democracy.

GreenMario,

It’s literally “democracy = Democrats” and “a republic = republican” to them, simple as.

The Democrats should rename themselves the “Freedom Liberty” party just to fuck with em. Take back some of their words.

norbert,
norbert avatar

This is great, call it the Patriot Party or something and talk about how government waste has turned "Citizens On Patrol" into a bunch of lazy, freedom-suppressing, union members.

RaoulDook,

We already have the Libertarian party, which is the actual Freedom Liberty party.

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

Libertarians are just republicans who do drugs and are too embarrassed to call themselves republicans.

JustZ,

Nah nah bud that’s the dumb toddler daydream party.

GreenMario,

Libertarians are more interested in simping for our corporate overlords and removing the age of consent.

RaoulDook,

Nope that’s just the common Redditor’s prejudice against the party based on what they read on Reddit.

I encourage you to read the actual party platform, which has none of what you described in it.

norbert,
norbert avatar

Some of us have had actual conversations with "Libertarians" and found them to be pretty much in-line with the comment. Not all of us spent our lives on a website.

It's always deregulate-fuck-you-i-got-mine sociopaths. Libertarians are about as realistic and level-headed as Anarchists. It's great on paper or for a small group but once millions of people are involved the bad actors show up and ruin it for everyone.

RaoulDook,

Again, I refer you to the party platform. That is the only definitive thing that Libertarians as a party stand for.

Your hearsay is irrelevant to that fact.

gregorum,

A republic is a type of democracy. This guy is an idiot. 

checksout,

I just looked it up and did not find a concise definition. According to the German bpb even dictatorships can be republics.

www.bpb.de/kurz-knapp/lexika/…/republik/

joseangel,
@joseangel@lemmy.world avatar

Not necessarily, North Korea is technically a republic.

Z3k3,

It’s not just a Republic its a people’s Republic.

So you know like way better. That’s why they don’t need elections it already says it belongs to the people

OurToothbrush, (edited )

They literally hold elections following a concensus process.

Well cited effortpost on hexbear about the dprk: hexbear.net/post/196389

Z3k3,

Sigh

OurToothbrush, (edited )

Sorry you prefer to choose between bad and worse every election over reaching concensus in a constituent meeting and then voting to confirm the candidate in an election, but that doesn’t make the dprk’s system less democratic

Z3k3,

That’s a hell of a rant for an obvious joke comment

OurToothbrush,

“Sigh” isnt a joke comment, it is a redditism

mrnotoriousman,

Lol how old are you? That was a thing before reddit even existed. Just goes to show the tankies on here are literally kids larping

OurToothbrush, (edited )

Yes, but it is also a thing I only see reddit refugees doing.

Just goes to show the tankies on here are literally kids larping

I’ve literally been politically engaged as part of a socialist org for a decade, maybe it is you larping?

You know, with the tankie thing. You’re doing an excellent McCarthy impression, but I dont think you’re actually on the un-American activities committee.

OniiFam,
@OniiFam@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So tell me are you still certain IDF did the bombing? How much more evidence before you have your schizophrenic breakdown?

OurToothbrush,

One of your last posts is about looking for a wife in a mental health ward, which is incredibly creepy, especially given you keep accusing me of having schizophrenia.

lemmy.ml/post/1414324?scrollToComments=true

OniiFam,
@OniiFam@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Don’t flatter yourself lol. Cope harder please tankie.

OurToothbrush,

Yes, it would be super flattering for some asshole harassing me to keep calling me seriously mentally ill while posting about how they want to prey on women having mental health crisises to the point that they’re committed.

Consider showing the women in your life that linked post and seeing what their reaction would be, you misogynistic creep.

OniiFam,
@OniiFam@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-771238HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OniiFam,
@OniiFam@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yup you definitely sound like a very stable person. Especially when you freak out about a 196 post lmao.

Oh and that post? I have sent that meme to friends already including some who are women. You really are exposing yourself quite a bit here. Tell ya what, I’ll send that post again to my gal friends if you make friends lol.

Z3k3,

My initial coment was

OurToothbrush,

Is the joke that westerners don’t understand how dprk nominations and elections work?

TrickDacy,

Fucking tankie scum

OurToothbrush, (edited )

Racist “believe anything the US says about a state enemy they’ve previously committed genocide on” bootlicker

TrickDacy,

Two words: Tienanmen square. If you have anything that resembles a defense of that you’re a POS. And you do.

OurToothbrush, (edited )

The holocaust

The Bengal famine

The potato famine

WW1

WW2

The Vietnam war

The slave trade

Immigrant concentration camps

Apartheid/Segregation

If you have anything that resembles a defense of that you’re a POS

Imagine thinking the June 4th incident -where around 300 people died, slightly less than half of those people being unarmed PLA soldiers- can be used to condemn a system as large as China while every capitalist country has done much, much worse.

Hell, say the cultural revolution, say the post-civil-war famine, the way the cpc handled them can reasonably be criticized, and they are, by the current cpc.

TrickDacy,

What a piece of fucking shit

OurToothbrush,

Yeah you’re right, we’ve got to destabilize a country of 1.4 billion people over 300 deaths more than thirty years ago

Thousands of extrajudicial killings by US police every year? What’s that?

cantstopthesignal,

The hand job place near me is also technically a foot job place.

DragonTypeWyvern,

No, it’s not. They have a hereditary head of state who enforces his rule with control of the military.

yata,

That is why it is technically a republic, but not in practice. The constitution says it is a republic, and they actually have an election for the role of head of state, well “election”, but of course in practice that is not how it works at all.

The US is also technically a representative democracy, but in practice, well…

DragonTypeWyvern,

I’m saying it’s just a lying monarchy.

A pile of shit isn’t a rose because you call it a rose. You’re just lying.

RedWizard,
@RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml avatar

You both are saying the same thing. Wake up.

yata,

Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. We are in agreement, you are just a moron who can’t read.

Also I am not lying, I am stating facts.

DragonTypeWyvern,

It’s not “technically” a republic because it has a hereditary ruling line. Period.

You weirdly angry goon.

OurToothbrush, (edited )

Who was the third head of state again? (Hint, it isnt Kim Jung Un)

Well cited effortpost on hexbear about the dprk: hexbear.net/post/196389

joseangel,
@joseangel@lemmy.world avatar

Now I see what they got defederilized from Lemmy, so much blatant malinformation.

OurToothbrush,

They literally are federated with the main lemmy instance.

yata,

No, republic just means that the role of head of state isn’t hereditary. Lots of dictatorships are republics, some democracies are as well. The actual political system of the USA is representative democracy (in theory at least).

The fact that these terms are so muddled in the minds of the average American is completely deliberate, because it makes it so much easier for them to subvert US democracy when people have been told that the US is not one.

rhombus,

There are a couple definitions. One I’ve heard most is a republic has a citizen as head of state, which disqualifies both monarchies and military dictatorships. Another is that the head of state is elected or nominated, which disqualifies non-representative systems entirely.

LudwigvanBeethoven,

republic /rɪˈpʌblɪk/ nouna state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

from one of those Oxford ones

LudwigvanBeethoven,

Yeah, they really should pop open one of those dictionaries – if they know what those are – and look at the definition of republic.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Well, we’re both. But if you had to pick just one, Republic is probably more informative than Democracy since citizens rarely actually vote for laws and usually just vote for representatives. The correct term is a combination of the two: democratic republic. Wikipedia uses the term “Federal presidential constitutional republic,” which I think conveys it pretty well, though I’d prefer the term “democratic” somewhere in that word salad.

Ghostalmedia,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

The main point is that GOP is starting to use this as justification to prevent people from electing their representatives.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Sure, the GOP absolutely twists definitions to suit their goals. You can see something similar with Democrats calling Republicans “fascists,” so the problem is political theater.

That’s a separate discussion from educating people on what the terms actually mean. We should be fighting misinformation on all fronts.

Ghostalmedia,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

When most of a party is literally pushing to overthrow the popular vote and instate an unelected autocrat, it’s ok to call it fascist.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Maybe, but it’s applied so liberally (ha!) that it starts to lose its meaning. I worry that a significant portion of the population doesn’t actually know what fascism means, so it’s starting to lose its impact.

Ghostalmedia,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

What else would you call it?

This isn’t a teenager calling dad a fascist for grounding them, the GOP is literally taking pages out of the historical fascism playbook.

dangblingus,

Some grade 9 ass shit. A republic IS a democratic structure of government. It’s representative democracy.

SomeAmateur,

I think what they’re getting at is that majority does not neccesarily rule in the US. You can have an election where a majority of voters go one way but the electoral college (your representation) goes another.

Idk why they want to harp on that right now but whatever.

Teon,
Teon avatar

Christians always try to re-history the world in their favor. They are the most dishonest hypocritical fascists.
Then again, they stole most of what their religion allegedly stands for.

ThatFembyWho,

So this is the alternative history they want to write eh?

Clown, it was called the “Enlightenment Age” for a reason, people started breaking the chains of organized religion. Yes they were Christians, but they knew enough to not trust religion as a form of government.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the material world are some of the founding principles, not “death, misery and suffering but maybe get lucky choosing the right god and you’ll be rewarded with eternal paradise…”

If they founded the country on the Bible, we’d live in a theocracy with no elections and no opposition parties.

JustZ,

The phrase is “we the people.”

There is nobody else coming to decide things for humans.

ThatFembyWho,

Of course, he’s from Louisiana… The south always was the worst part of American, even in colonial times. The US might have abolished slavery much earlier if not for them. There was even a draft of the Declaration of Independence that critiqued the British slave trade as one of the moral failure of the empire and grounds for independence.

Adalast,

britannica.com/…/The-Founding-Fathers-Deism-and-C…

Britannica covers it pretty well. I guess they’d better, they have been covering shit for longer than we have been a country.

Thteven,
@Thteven@lemmy.world avatar

Well the good news is that just because this fuckbrain said it doesn’t make it true.

Senuf,

Also this, for fuck’s sake!

800XL,

Guillotine.

gravitas_deficiency,

If the American electorate was slightly less stupid, I’d be ecstatic, because he made himself effectively kryptonite to reasonable, intelligent people with that statement.

Unfortunately, the American electorate is, on average, that stupid.

ivanafterall,
ivanafterall avatar

Yup. That about sums it up. You guys wanna talk about something else or?

Cethin,

He said it in 2016 though and has still been re-elected and elected speaker of the house regardless. Hopefully this has an effect on the republican party at large though now. It might fly where he’s from, but it won’t in the US at large. We just need to make sure people know what they’re voting for.

PsychedSy,

I work with a few atheist/agnostic republicans that are incredibly confused right now.

Zombiepirate,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll never understand voting for the party who wants to eradicate you.

Jaysyn,
Jaysyn avatar

Log Cabin Republicans say "Hi."

alquicksilver,
@alquicksilver@lemmy.world avatar

What’s worse is that the average is weighted further toward stupid by gerrymandering. They’re right that the game is rigged, it’s just not rigged against them.

ElderWendigo,

Every accusation is an admission.

EmptySlime,

Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.

TrickDacy,

On average? 35% of people believing lies makes us all “on average” as stupid as they are? By your own logic, you just be American

Cyberflunk,

I hate how we only find out about these fuckshits AFTER they come to power.

7heo, (edited )
@7heo@lemmy.ml avatar

expired

HowMany,

Wow. This jackoff needs to go right now. That didn’t take long. Isn’t about time for Mr. Smith to start indicting these fuckers for treason?

Luisp,

The dream of the Islamic state came true

stolid_agnostic,

That is their origin but they mean different things.

imgprojts,

I better get my gay gangbang desires out of the way before this guy gets to say anything about it. I gotta ask my wife first. She said no. Again. Well I will ask her once more and if she says no again we’ll see who gets the last laugh. She said no again. Either way, I’m going to keep voting for liberals. Because someone in this country must keep the gangbang lifestyle moving forward. More gay gangbang and less war!

CaptainHowdy,

Cool. Cool cool cool. Glad we’ve got this turd as speaker 🫠

keepcarrot,

This is a … thing for him to say, but also everyone in this thread read both Losurdo’s Liberalism: A Counter-History and Kruze’s One Nation Under God

PersnickityPenguin,

It’s actually his platform, he has spent his entire career trying to dismantle democracy and promote Christo-fascism. He is wildly popular in his district.

pyrflie,

Johnson is a sacrificial goat offered by the GOP to see what they can get away with in opposition.

He’s a disposable politician. The political equivalent to a used condom in a public bathroom stall.

Don’t get me wrong if we use him (pass his legislation) we will end up with the equivalent of Herpies, but if blocked he is a non-entity.

PersnickityPenguin, (edited )

Lol that’s a great visual

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