Just to be clear, this was an elderly Palestinian man cowering under a bed who came out with his hands up and was murdered by an Israeli soldier who brags about it after.
They brag about killing an unarmed man cowering under a bed.
Then they congratulate the killer.
Then they go back to shoot at the corpse.
What. The. Fucking. Hell.
And I can’t do anything about it except keep up some degree of internet activism, but that doesn’t really alleviate that feeling of needing to do something.
I hope that video gets around and ruins the life of this Lior named person who did the killing. As in I hope he faces some motherfucking consequences for this horrible stuff.
If you look up who is signed up to what part of the Geneva convention, I suspect you won’t be at all surprised to see various countries in the news right now and which bits they’re not signed up to.
To be fair, that area is considered an active war zone, and all civillians knew that way ahead of the invasion.
If it was intentional, fuck him. But if it was by mistake and as a precaution against Hamas (who are known to wear civilian clothes) - then you really can’t blame them for not wanting to be ambushed.
How are ya’ll expecting an army to act in a war zone?
You really have to explain the “to he fair” part here, when the subject line is a soldier bragging about shooting an innocent old man by justifying it with "well he was a palestinian terrorist
“less rapy and genocidy” you mean… Like exactly what Hamas did that started this whole war, who got that old man killed? Then sure. I expect every human to not rape and kill innocents.
Yeah, exactly like Hamas who all too should be jailed for life for their crimes, exactly like the Israeli government and heads of army.
Are you really trying to justify raping and murdering by saying “but they did it first!”?
In that case, fuck the Israeli government even more because they’ve been doing this shit for over 50 years now. Is this really the first time you hear about innocent Palestinians being murdered? I’ve heard it since I was a little boy and oh boy is that long ago!
From the article / post: " The soldier who fired the shots describes entering the home and encountering only one unarmed Palestinian, gesturing and saying, ‘No, no.’ "
He openly admits to shooting an unarmed Palestinian man.
Not shooting civilians. Soldiers have ROE for a reason. Either he was a fucking idiot in which case he should be court martialed, or the ROE allowed for shooting civilians in which case the Hague should get involved.
“Oh then I guess I’ll just won’t leave my home and wait for certain death to come to me”
Bro WHAT. How is it even the IDF’s responsibility to provide safe spaces in Gaza? Did Hamas provide “safe spaces” on 7/10? Did Hezbollah provide “safe spaces” before bombing houses? No one expects them to do anything before attacking, but everyone expects Israel to not only tell before an attack to evacuate, but to secure that evacuation place. That’s such hypocrisy.
My guy, my lad, my beautiful baby boy! One side is a terrorist organization, the other is (supposed to be) a government. No one sane has said that Israel cannot defend itself, or that the events of October weren’t anything but horrific. What we are saying is that indiscriminately killing civilians in mass is wrong, full stop. Israel is systematically targeting Palestinians, and I can think that is wrong at the same time as thinking Hamas needs to be stopped.
Actually as the best friend of an Israeli evacuate from the north, which haven’t been in their house for over 8 months, I can say 100% that fleeing for your safety is something only idiots refuse to do.
Also fuck you for wishing that I’ll be displaced for having an opinion :)
To be fair, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
1, Hamas is a political party, literally voted into power. Not all members would be militia.
B, Even if the man was of the militant arm, in full uniform and battle-rattle, killing a surrendered foe is murder and a war crime.
This coming from my experience as a Marine having acted in war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan, that were occupied by many civilians and combatants.
“hamas is a political party” is the same energy as “north korea is a political party” and “china is a political party”. No elections in 18 years isn’t something a working government does.
And it’s widely known that Hamas has no uniforms, and use civilian clothing when fighting. Heck, on 7/10 there were plenty who were IDF uniforms (I guess from fallen soldiers). Differentiating based on clothes is legit impossible.
And about surrendered foes, I completely agree. No reason if you know they’re of no harm. But again, based on what Israel tells us (I doubt it aswell, but idk) there were instances of people “surrendering” and then bombing themselves. Not a trustworthy source at all, but idk… It’s not that hard to believe it.
Apparently the kibbutzim are quite bad for “radicalising” children into this kind of hyper-nationalist, fascist mentality. That’s an ironic legacy for a series of communes, but maybe it’s a byproduct of their insularity?
Woah, interdimensional communication! I just want to say you’re lucky you get to live in the universe where justice is actually served to those that deserve it!
This is my favorite Black Mirror episode because, unlike most of the episodes, it has literally been done before except we don’t need the technology they used. People are cruel and stupid enough to just listen when you say other people are monsters without requiring much else.
Muzafer Sherif’s first experiment (“Middle Grove”) failed when the two groups worked together to figure out that they were being manipulated. The second experiment (“Robbers Cave”) was only apparently successful because the “camp counselors” were explicitly aiding and abetting the feud between the two groups.
Of course, Sherif didn’t mention these details when he publicized his results.
I don’t see where it’s debunked in that article, but I’d absolutely like to check out any other sources you have. I only found a Vox article that said he failed to disclose the first experiment and linked to that same page you did. To me, it seems more “scientifically unsound” due to ethical issues rather than “debunked”.
“I wouldn’t describe him as a charlatan … every journal article, every textbook is written to convince, persuade and to provide evidence for a point of view. So I don’t think Sherif is unusual in that way.”
Even that author thinks he’s just like every researcher. I dunno. I’m not seeing the debunked angle. Ethical issues, sure.
Regardless, I still think it’s quite relevant even if they were manipulating the boys somehow; do you not feel we’re potentially being manipulated by other parties to feud with one another?
Israel has never not been a fascist state. Religion is humanity’s oldest lash. Each of the abrahamic religions after Judaism is a heretical revolutionary cult against the political structures that each prior religion corrupted itself into.
I’m no scholar, but aren’t there only two and their various sects? Would have been shorter to just name them, unless it was to tie them to their Abrahamic roots and then I’m curious why you don’t include Judaism.
“In February 2014, the state of Israel held a memorial ceremony to mark the 20th anniversary of Begin’s death. The prime minister, then, as now, was Netanyahu.
“The newspaper Israel Hayom reported Netanyahu as saying: ‘[Begin] is a great role model for me, with his respect for democracy, courts of law and the media…… Israel and the Likud are inspired by the spirit of Menachim Begin.’”
I remember around 10 years ago, there were some videos of what the youth were taught in school, and interviews with young adults about their opinion of Palestinians.
To sum it up, they were taught they were filth, sub human, in ~grade school ages. Young adults “sympathized” that they had tough lives, but they should go elsewhere, anywhere else, and that if they didn’t, they should die.
It was in the context of that anti missile defense, and living in Isreal with frequent missile/terror attacks, and how Palestinians were segregated, had long lines to enter the city, couldn’t use the same roads, kids throwing rocks at cars, etc.
So yeah, this genocide is hardly surprising. They’ve been dehumanizing the Palestinians for generations, straight up indoctrinating their children. So the IDF murdering them like some rabid dogs was exactly the goal.
And that is all really ridiculous brainwashing, considering that all those people look very similar. You could take random Israelis and Palestinians and dress them up all in the same clothes, and then ask people which person was which ethnic group and they might not be able to tell them apart.
Same thing with the Hutus and the Tutsis during the Rwandan Genocide, or Turkish and Armenian people, except even closer than that probably. It’s ridiculous.
JR, an artist that plastered large portraits of Palestinian and Isrealis in both cities. Groups tried to tear down portraits of the opposing group. They had to stop because they realized they really couldn’t tell who was Isreali or Palestinian by their faces alone. This was in 2007.
There was a paper that attempted to provide some genetic evidence for this, but it, and the author, were attacked, the paper unprecedentedly deleted, and the author shortly thereafter apparently smeared with false embezzlement charges. Make of that what you will.
He is a bit of a nut job when it comes to the Basque language, though, hilariously.
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